I was equating RPG games with RPG games I’ve played. No doubt some afterlife punishment awaits me for that error if I my saving throw fails.
I’m mixed. In some ways, charisma is easy. As long as you understand the basics of how energy works, you have a way to tap directly into psychology, affect, and the impressions that others get of you. You could hold a positive emotion in your heart, radiate it outwards and let it saturate your words when you speak. You could channel your intent and get a person in the crowd to think that they’re the only one in the room with you.
All kinds of things can be done that can “charm” or bring people under a spell, so to speak.
But, as you suggested in your opening post, it is a manipulative behavior. And, for this reason, I tend to think of myself as the anti-charisma lol. I don’t want to hijack the behavioral patterns in a person’s energy and move them according to my preferences or desires.
I am a bit too Kantian in my outlook—I think that people should be treated as “ends in themselves” rather than manipulated according to different people’s preferences. And, to a point, I want people to think and understand what I am saying rather than being moved by how it made them feel in an instant.
And so I sacrifice extensive influence for the sake of preserving integrity… Lots of people are averse to thinking; quite a few people just want to feel good, and are easily led by others. I want people to think, understand, and work with facts.
But, if you want to be influential and navigate through human infrastructure and social relations, it could be quite “important”. It can definitely make it easier to get people to do what you want lol
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love this.
but i think most people want others to decided to them what they feel epically if its a good feelings.
so charisma is important not for the person who have it also for others.
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what’s your take on people who are very charismatic but are lack any sense or touch with spiritual development at all.
like this stuff:
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The only manipulative behavior that Im willing to always use.
It’s a battle out there. You better use your resources wisely. 
I have not manipulated anyone to any malefic ending, but Charisma, that one I like, I mean, don’t we want to be liked by people, maybe loved or feared, admired maybe, etc.?
Charisma is An Answer to our Needs. 
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I have a question: Was Jesus Charismatic?
Was Napoleon Charismatic?
Was Otto von Bismarck Charismatic?
Were Cicero, Diogenes and Marcus Aurelius Charismatic?
Was Mother Teresa Charismatic?
Are Certain Stars, Actors, etc., Charismatic?
They all attracted or attract Crowds, although for Different Reasons and Purposes.
I think that it’s a Certain Radiance that it’s just more Radiant 
, that’s how i view it.
It can be positive or negative, like anything else in Existence.
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they’re just falling into a phallic logic, because under their presupositions they think they are not castrated although they’re (i.e “i’m a man, i’m complete, and i can do stuff”).
this leads them to think all men are the same and all women must be the same too.
they’re almost right about men, because most men fall into the same phallic logic, which is a logic of identity (a subjective logic that translates into generalizations and sameness, positive ontology; A = A).
meanwhile most women assume a castrated position/logic within subjectivity, a subjective logic that rejects identity, embraces difference (a subjective logic that translates into pluralism, negative ontology or object oriented ontologies; A is not A).
this happens because logic is subjective, not objective. but people believe it to be objective, which leads them to fall into these traps.
Please roll me a hellfire and brimstone check 
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There is a meaning/use of charisma that is relevant to the forum that goes beyond the attraction/persuasion cluster. I grew up in a what you could call a Bible believing church. It was very dry, and not just in its position on alcohol. Virtually any source of spiritual information beyond the Bible was suspicious. Just down the road were the singing, dancing, speaking-in-tongues Pentecostals—or, as we sometimes derisively called them, ‘Charismatic’
Without going into a deep dive, there are gifts of the Holy Spirit that offer varying levels of connection to God and centering participation in those gifts is Charismatic Christianity. (Not trying to initiate a discussion of the Trinity)
I think there was some benefits and harms to being raised in an almost anti-charismatic church. Certainly, access to ecstatic states isn’t without issues, but I do think that a fair number of us here come religious backgrounds where spirituality was not much more than some good hymns, solemn silences and religious teachings that more resembled Euclidean proofs than anything that could help us connect to our deeper selves, let alone each other or the divine.
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Loved it! 
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I guess… there tends to be a distinction in usage that I was working with.
If we look at things with layers, there are around 3 layers. One could be referred to as magnetism, another as gravitas, and the third as charisma.
Magnetism is something that exists in the energy of a person. It is something that creates a draw. And it does relate, in some ways, to the ancient greek concept of a “charism” --a gift from god, a sort of state of grace.
Unfortunately, energetics don’t depend entirely on grace and virtue. In fact, some of the early mentalists of western culture (who were quite magnetic and were also known as “magnetizers”) were regarded as criminals because they used their abilities to Con people. They were some of the original “Con Men”, preying on the confidence they used while manipulating others.
But, anyways, beyond basic magnetism (which is energy without any intent), there is gravitas. A sort of force that can emerge behind a person’s actions because of the energy that supports them. In the same way that magnetism is passive, gravitas is also fairly passive because it is not consciously directed nor is it present for the sake of manipulating outcomes.
Charisma, on the other hand, dips more into what con men of varying stripes use in order get their way. It builds on magnetism and gravitas and is applied in order to secure different ends.
I’m probably dour on the subject, but I wouldn’t say that Jesus was charismatic. I would say that he had magnetism and gravitas, though. Charisma, on its own, tends more towards manipulation and it’s a step outside my sense of morals. But that’s how the world goes lol
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bipolar people during maniac phases are very charismatic too.
i have a friend that becomes an absolute chick/people magnet during strong maniac phases. and then he loses it all during depressed phases.
a bigger ego is absolutely connected to charisma.
buddhist monks that are self-forgetting hardly have any charisma.
because people are addicted to high/rushing emotions, high energetic levels, and someone who is not able to convey any emotion isn’t addictive.
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people drain him
true
yes
i experinced both in my life
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thanks
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