History Thread - The Many Manly Men of History, War and Civilizations

Is there a way to like the tittle specifically??
“Before YOLO was ROLLO” :fountain_pen:

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You just showed the title, the love it deserves. :grin:

Now, it can pass away peacefully, knowing it was Loved (it will always remain in our memories) and a new title will arise, to take its rightful place.

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That we can fully agree on.

Long live Rome and the Western Civilization!

Spoilers about the Vikings series

It has filled me with so much pleasure and satisfaction seeing all those Vikings being killed off by the Frankish Empire in the Vikings series :relieved:

I experienced even more satisfation when terrorist Ragnar Lodbrok was thrown into that snake pit to die a small meaningless death, exactly like he deserved for all of his crimes.

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Well, they brought some huge changes throughout Europe, from Britannia and Francia, all the way to the lands of the Slavs (They helped establish Russia and Ukraine, or rather their predecessors, Kievan Rus’) and even Italia (Norman Sicily) and Eastern Rome (Grikkland, the Varangian name).

They served as mercenaries, they established trade routes and even helped create or consolidate new states, so they weren’t the end of the world, and they helped things (to) not remain stale. :rofl:

YET, they were far from the level of civilization that was already established in the Frankish Realm or in most lands they pillaged and terrorized, for that matter (at least the western ones were more civilized) (oops, and Obviously Byzantium was waaay above their level of civilization).

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Good :triumph::vulcan_salute:

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@JAAJ

Idk, I was rooting for the Vikings all the way myself :joy:

Though I gotta say, Hollywood must really hate French people deep down. Like they get in the writer’s room and they go “ugh, those effing people. Let’s make them really weak, degenerate, cowardly, what else ? Damn, I hate those frenchies” lol

At least the English kings were Machiavellian and doing Realpolitik you know.

They go get an Israeli or Swedish actor, make some over the top accent and it gets kinky, falls into mommy issues. They are always just sneaky, frail, can barely stand up straight with shifty eyes.

From the weak, creepy sadomasochist in the boys who likes being humiliated by girls to Napoleon who people have decided was a small insecure mental wreak who apparently declared war on all of Europe for some reason or that Frankish king in Vikings. Every single time.

Thank god, we’re not the “villainous Germans” but damn.

Anyway, rooting for the Vikings on this one man haha

If the Franks and Germanic people had kept it real, they wouldn’t have been invaded. Instead of waking up once in a while deciding enough is enough, time to be badasses.

Instead of robes and harps, they should have kept the carnyx

You sometimes talk about weak men, they didn’t have that problem, but then they went soft.

The Romans went soft :man_shrugging:
Then the Franks and Germanic went soft
Then the Vikings went soft
Now, look at Europe :disappointed:

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Btw, I watched the new Napoleon movie.
It was the boring mess you predicted it would be.
A bunch of unconnected scenes, for 3 hours, with 80ies level CGI :frowning:
Nothing about that movie was good, not even the trailer lol.
In the movie Napoleon gets cucked by an older woman and accepts being cucked and remains a weak crybaby for her. Not sure whether this is historically accurate? In the movie he was portrayed as this stereotype of “Alpha at work, little submissive bitch at home”.
Which means you are probably right, Hollywood hates French.
That is of course except when some entitled spoiled American chick “goes to Paris and meets the love of her life” clichee, then Hollywood wants to sell a “rom com” :laughing:

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@JAAJ

The Germans are evils the French are the cowards, degenerate perverts.

The dates were wrong, the chronology was wrong, they crafted this story out of thin air.

On the French movie review sites, guys went full historians complaining about all the inaccuracies it goes on for pages. It’s not like there was no stories, no letters, no official documents but they just don’t care.

Some events are even presented backward.

They had to make it about Josephine, they had to play this story of the corrupt king. They have the generic tropes ready to go; only need to put in the names of whomever they pretend to present.

They go to movie tropes library and they just change the names and other variables. The same old politically correct cliches

All of history is connected, so if your propaganda needs certain lies, you can’t be upfront about other events upstream cause then people are gonna notice patterns. Can’t let that happen. Why are these people fighting ?

Don’t know. Don’t care. Don’t ask. It’s all a cynical power conflict with no real ideological basis. They all want the same thing.

They’re at a point, they know if they get too honest and too balanced in their point of views, they will promote bad ideas against their interests.

So it has to be a meaningless story about greed with no real consequence besides casualties:

All these wars created their own new successive world orders. So, you can’t mess with that without undermining the current system:

Laws, political institutions, international organizations have been setup based on the results of these wars. Control of the story matters. If you disagree with the reasons for the war, then you probably disagree with the solutions that are still in place today.

So, the other guys were evil, they killed babies, end of story.

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Seems the social engineering hasn’t changed much.

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Absolutely. Although their lands would have still gotten the occasional raids and pillaging.

I Agree. Hollywood despises the French. I wonder why. It’s just absurd.

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Same reason they hate Germany, same reason they hate Russia.

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Gothic being the language of Iberia in the 600s?

No, it was just the language of the local Germanic elites (fresh conquerors).
A western Latin dialect or rather multiple ones, those were the languages of the people (from which Castillan Spanish and Portuguese evolved).

Also, Slavic being the main language of Dacia (today’s territory of România), I dont think so, but there are historians and linguists who argue about this, who consider that latinisation spread from the south of the Danube into today’s Romania, and that there was no Latin speaking majority or maybe even minority in Dacia.

I personally think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Edit: or, at least for the Gothic part, maybe it meant that only in that small spot it was spoken (?) :thinking:

I think so. The color in the rest is the West Romance one.

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If you have any favorite artifact(s) or one(s) you like, feel free to share.

Although I’m not really truly fascinated by any artifact, I find them interesting.

Here are some crowns from Europe:

Which one you like?

Some Background on the Romanian Crown:


Unless it goes too woke, it might be a decent or even good series, at the very least, Anthony Hopkins will offer a Phenomenal Performance.

There were women gladiators, but let’s see how much they want to push any modern narratives (truth be told, considering the fact that most historical records have been lost, almost anything becomes a possibility, even a revenge driven story or any other plot; survival will be the most obvious part, for those involved in the Gladiator Games anyway); however, I would still watch it, if it is Entertaining.

To give an old example: Ben Hur (the 1959 one, starring Charlton Heston), was an Amazing movie, combining elements of Roman and Israelite worlds, woven on a beautiful fictional narrative - but those kind of Epic Movies won’t be made in our current times.

Now, going back to the Gladiator theme, I just did some research and I found out that it takes place in 79 A. D., kind of the Golden Age of Rome, Pax Romana still being cast over the Ancient World, and the Gladiator games being THE Ancient Equivalent of Football, they were extremely popular, hugely ambitious and exotic in their display, thus the Trailer is Not actually an Exaggeration.
We might even see some early Christians being thrown to the lions, who knows, yet this is Modern Hollywood, not much Christian presence is expected in the Woke Era.

As I said earlier, if the story is good {the woman mentioned her missing children, if I got that right (or maybe they were killed)}, plus the Grandious Brutal Display of Ancient Entertainment being present, it might actually be worth watching.

Someone mentioned Spartacus (in a comment, on a YouTube clip) or a possible link to him (although, well, different Era), at the very least, we might see some Rebellious Elements, possibly a full scale Rebellion.

We’ll see, it might be good or it might be bad, only time will tell.

Edit: and let’s not forget Politics, Roman Politics, Drama, Family Values, Passion, Prostitution, Slave Economy, back-stabbing friends, eager senators, opportunists everywhere, corruption at the heart of the Whole establishment, plus a world ruled with an iron fist, being ready to erupt with rebellions…
YET, all of it intertwined with Strong Religious Values, Strong Morals, Poetry, Stoicism, Art, Ambitious Projects, Patriotism and Duty Loving Citizens and Legionaries…

The Top of The Ancient World, The Peak of Ancient Civilization,
A blend so diverse,
YET so cohesive…

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Romanians are latinised Slavs :slight_smile:

Change my mind

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Nobody should really expect anything now from music, games, TV shows and movies. All funded content is aimed for the woke generation. The early days had the best stuff.

I have the HBO Rome TV show boxset at home which is worth a watch. Although it’s quite boring (no action) but if you’re interested in a historical drama set during the fall of the Roman Republic and beginning of the empire, you might want to buy this. This series tells you alot more than anything that gets released today.

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Im not saying you’re completely wrong, but you’re not completely right on this assertion either - I’ll start with this. :grinning:

România has been a crossroad of Empires, Migratory tribes and Nomadic Invaders of all kinds and the home of Ancient Local Populations.

Slavs were a big element of it’s History, yet I wouldn’t call it a Slavic country, not In a cultural sense anyway.

It’s core identity are its people, it’s Folklore, it’s Language, it’s Religion, it’s History and it’s Modern Laws, Lifestyle and Interactions.

Now, what does the word Slav means?

It can mean different things, depending who’s answering, but the core idea is that a Slav is a person who lives in a Slavic country, speaks a Slavic language, has Slavic Culture, and is a member of a Historical Slavic People/Group.

I will come back to these, but I’ll start with the most obvious Elephant in the room: genes.

As I said, Romania has been home to countless elements, some more fleeting {Huns, Mongols, Germanics (like the Ostrogoths), Cumans, etc.}, others more stationary (Dacians, Wallachians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Saxons, Rromani (an older exonym being Gypsies), Greeks, Turks, etc.}, thus it’s genes are extremely diverse, however all European countries are diverse.

Indeed, it has a bigger share of R1a, like its Slavic neighbors, yet it is lower than Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Poland, etc.

Now, Romanian territory was inhabited long before the Slavs even appeared, a clear example of how old Human settlement has been here, can be seen in the Cave of Bones (Peștera cu Oase).

(copy-paste text) Located in southwestern Romania, this cave is considered one of the most important archaeological sites in the country. In 2002, the remains of three early modern humans were discovered, dating back around 37,800 years. The fossils were found in a cave system that consists of 12 karstic galleries and chambers. (back to my own words)

(Some of the earliest if not) The earliest Homo Sapiens in Europe have been found here.

Now, on the territory of today’s Romania, there have been quite a few cultures, the Cucuteni Culture (approx. 5500 to 2750 BC) being a major one.

Later, the Dacians/Getae appeared on the Carpato-Danubian Territory, probably a subgroup of Thracians (Herodot mentioned them), and they built a Strong Local Kingdom, under Burebista.

The Romans invaded and conquered them, annexing a part of their Kingdom (Trajan Wars), which became a Roman Province.

The Romans ruled in Dacia, from 106 to 275, and during that time, they brought Legionaries, Colonization, Commerce, Roman Administration, Culture, Latin and even some elements of Christianity to Dacia.

The constant raids from the neighboring Free Dacians and from the newly arrived Germanics, Madd it a very problematic Area, and the Romans decided to retreat South of The Danube.

Now, the Newly Mixed culture didn’t vanish, it endured North of the Danube {the Hungarians claim that Romanians have an origin south of the Danube, and that they brought Wallachians there, yet Archeological and Historical evidence points either towards Romanian variant or towards a middle ground; there were Wallachians (medieval name for Romanians) on the northern parts of the Danube}.

Later came countless Migratory people, countless tribal confederetsions, including the Slavs.

TO BE CONTINUED.
I’M A LITTLE BIT BUSY ATM.

Well, I meant ethnically, not by nationality. :smiley:

Sometimes have heard stuff like up until the beginning of the 20th century, their, or your, language seemed much more Slav-like, just they did then a lot of effort to further “latinize” their population.

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