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#1

I’ve read the whole thread of VOC and VODL twice each, to gain some clarity as to which one should i get but only got more confused lol, they both sound amazing. Here’s the thing though, my main goal rn is to make manifestation easy, effortless and natural. Eventually i want to be free of all this worldy stuff, and just be my most purest self and merge with the infinite. I’d like to think i was prety close to just being ( at least to the extent my understanding goes ), but stuff happened and i realised that i have some duties here first, to my family and to the world. So I just want to get this stuff done and dusted as soon as possible, which is where the trouble comes. I am able to manifest many things without doing anything, even my prayers towards strangers have come true multiple times. I always pray for the troubled ones on the spot instead of pitying them and it helps them out. I have witnessed it multiple times. VOC and VODL, both seem brilliant for this, but for some reason, i am not able to decide and is causing me distress. Please vote below and if you wish, please comment your reasons as it will help me gain further clarity.

Thanks Sapien family, genuinely very grateful for you all !! :heart:

  • VOC
  • VODL

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#2

VOC

is it you who wants that or the divine? i’m asking cause VOC manifests what is needed not what you want or think you want or need. this is my experience and still subjective. VODL seems to be a good releaser for excess emotional energy. sexual energy alchemy can be used too for releasing. it’s important when stuck energy, old trauma etc comes in your system that it gets released. there are a lot of fields out there that can help with manifestation. imho even blueprint of life in a way can be used for this as it recreates a new you and everything will align accordingly. i hope this helps.

#3

Thanks for the clear cut answer.

It’s a little bit of both tbh. From my side, it’s more like i want me and my family to have plenty, plenty of the usual, health, wealth, peace etc, so as to stop worrying about things. I had completely detached from everything and wished and required nothing, i was completely satisfied with everything for a few years. Zero fears, able to talk to gods at the same time not wanting to do so cuz i mean talking to myself basically eh. Was complete ready to leave my family and everything behind and just go towards union. But things happened and i had some divine revelations and had to come back but since then i feel lost, confused but found and at peace at the same time. Idk if that made sense to you or not, i say this respectfully. So a little bit of both hehe. Im constantly drawn to both the audios as if they are tugging me towards each other, but why would they? In the end they are a part of the same thing, or is it perhaps my ego trying to survive having read the respective threads and it feels threatened. I like the energy of VOC cuz i interpret the energy from it as “get stuff done, no bullshit “ and at the same time VODL is lovely, im a guy but energy wise im 70% feminine and 30% masculine, just energy wise not behaviour and stuff.

#4

were the divine revelations real? i mean all the profound masters say that if a godly form appears etc dismiss him or her immediately. it’s imagination. it all happens in the mind. even if they are real it’s still illusion. enlightenment is about transcending also these gods & deities etc. one limits him or herself cause he as the person (the mind) attaches too much importance to these experiences.

It’s not so strange that you’re confused as it seems you are in between two worlds. you live in duality and you were used to single mindedness.

maybe you can consider buying VOT by reading this and get it all done at once :blush:

no more duality

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#5

Maybe look for Ascension-naut in background? Sometimes people who already did a lot of self-work resell their copies at great discount.

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#6

there are so many ways to Rome…

for me even mahadeva is a great manifestation field and it reminds me also about the VOT

dream created too many options :partying_face:

#7

You’re right. When it happened, i saw no forms, not in my mind nor anywhere else, it was just a profound inner knowing, maybe later on i discover something else or perhaps that it was not it, but that will only happen if i start walking yeah.

I agree with you 100%. I share the same belief. This is also why I’ve had multiple arguments with my family in the past haha, my family has some deep history with ma kaali and i always used to argue that why should i worship anyone when im also them, maybe not fully realised or enlighten but i still always had that belief

Correct once again, i realised this after writing my previous reply to you.

I thought about it but the description says something about using VOC or VODL before VOT to smoothen the process, im aware its not compulsory though.

#8

Hmm, I’ve heard about it but have never explored, I’ll get into it, thanks @igem

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#9

I wanted to get it so badly man :weary:and the goddess kali one and lord Veerbhadra but im limited on funds for now, im starting a business in agri industry very soon, needless to say im gonna make some dream purchases :eyes:

#10

the thing about spiritual matters is that it’s extremely difficult to talk about things by using words. words imply duality. it would be much better if we just stopped talking and sit down and dissolve cause in all honesty what is there to say really. as long as we aren’t self realized we still talk nonsense. yes in my perception i know or realized some things but who knows tomorrow everything changes and i have to admit that i was completely ignorant.

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#11

there was or is one for sale for 300$

aren’t you included in Tripura Sundari (Lalita) or Parashakti or Durga?

#12

Exactly bro, love this, i myself was having trouble writing and explaining what i really want to say. I often am also reluctant to talk about these matters to anyone for the same reason you stated above.

#13

Its 25k for me man lol, definitely not right now. I am even waiting for the sale to buy vibration audio to save some money hehe.

Na bro, for some reason many nfts and audios have gone under my nose for quite some time. It’s weird tbh

#14

if you have a proper and profound spiritual process set up things will just happen more and more guided & effortlessly. maybe you had to relive those things once again to see if the lesson is learned. once you have fallen in the grace of the divine by constantly aspiring for things that are of higher order it will constantly add to your process. maybe you have come to the moment were you are asked to get out of the way and surrender completely and allow the divine to live through you. i have come to this point since i went to india and came back. just saying. don’t want to project things but it feels kinda similar.

#15

if someone drops out i can ask the leader that is if you want me to…

#17

I can definitely relate to this lately. Since, my meditation has once again gotten deeper , i dont even set to conscious intention, and it would just happen, whatever it is. I have experienced this before also when i reached shunya ( at least i think so) i would even be awake all night, with zero effort, automatically meditating the whole night and wake up completely fresh and full of energy.

I can relate to this too, i was contemplating this a few days back.

I agree. Talking to you feels like i’m talking to myself when i am contemplating. Loving it.

#18

Oh bro, thank you so much but money is the factor here man.

#19

:moneybag:🥲on a limited budget man, and usd to inr makes things more difficult

#20

to be honest maybe you should go for ascension-naut like igem said. it will cost you like 150$ and if you don’t like it or you feel you got everything out of it you can resell. great deal imo

#21

ok undertsood

then i would say ascension-naut as you can resell or trade later on