AI & the future

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What are your thoughts on AI & the future? Could it be useful to mankind? are you fearful of it?

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I’m not afraid of it, I’m afraid of increasing stupidity on the planet accelerated by the use of AI.

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Since ChatGPT recently forgot its own replies, I now assume that all AIs will eventually self-delete.

Perhaps a virus is already taking care of it.

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Anyone saw this?

And does anyone remember the movie I Robot?

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Finally someone will be doing my laundry, dishes, vacuum cleaning, taking out the trash, cleaning the toilet, cleaning the bathroom, cleaning the kitchen, filling up the toilet paper, charging up my electric toolbrush, changing the bed sheets etc.

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I already showed my colleague :joy::joy: he was dreaming about this for years lol

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AI has its benefits no doubt but the latest generation of people think AI can solve anything, this is what sci-fi authors wrote AI being worshipped as god, soon people will blindly trust AI and stop using their brains. Companies are also forcing people to adapt to this.

When NF peaked there was an informal survey which was projected onto the global population that the intelligence levels of humans have dipped globally, now if similar exercise is carried out I bet many people would be pegged as way dumber than all animals.

You can argue with 1,2,3 or maximum of 5 stupid people at once like how it happens on TV debates but imagine a mob of stupid people at your door because you called them stupid for using AI for everything.

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Dan Simmons wrote about this impressively in Ilium/Olympus. In one of the storylines, there was only one generation of young people left in the future who were completely helpless. Machines and AI did everything. Eventually, technology gradually failed… they couldn’t even read anymore, didn’t know how to cook for themselves, or where to get food.

I wouldn’t say that people are stupid. Misguided, lazy, curious, playful, sometimes too careless, even greedy. But not dumb or stupid.

Hmm… not a pleasant thought. Luckily, most people are too lazy to cause trouble at your doorstep anyway.

Most of them would reverse the statement into: “Only a fool doesn’t use AI,” or something like that.

Ultimately, AI may be useful in many cases and superfluous in many others.

AI cannot generate new information. It lacks the divine spark. Everything is based on what it has been “fed.” It can neither explore nor feel. And it can never evolve beyond its limitations.

In my opinion, people will be bored to death by AI after a few decades.

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That is bound to happen if people stop using their capabilities of body and brain.

Stupidity is not inherent, it is an acquired trait, yes people are too lazy to spend some time thinking about a situation or a problem and agree to what others say.

I doubt, if you have seen the shows like Westworld and movies like I, Robot, Ex-Machina, Her and Companion, you will know there are wide variety of ways in which humans can use these AI machines. I was shocked to know there is a new reader in my county a full fledged AI woman and guys are fawning over her, which is ridiculous.

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Hmm… maybe I just lack the imagination.

Anyway… in my experience, every hype is just a wave that eventually subsides, like a soap bubble bursting. Humanity gets bored eventually and wants something new to play with. That can take quite a while.
But it will happen eventually.

Isn’t that like idolizing an unattainable actor/singer?

There are also people who are in love with anime/manga/book characters.

Is that really so different from an AI avatar?

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In a way some do but most don’t, look at porn. These is VR now in porn and my man Dr. K made a prediction and I’m afraid it will happen soon, he said the day haptic touch is introduced in porn then it is end of humanity no one will ever be able to overcome porn. I’m sure some companies must be working tirelessly already to introduce that to the world. Already usage of sex robots is increasing.

In a way yes but the only difference is actors/manga characters are in fantasy land, one may collect different merchandise and figurines but with AI the obsession is real because someone else is creating and running that AI as a real person. This obsession was never seen with actors and manga characters but only with AI so there must be something that is causing it.

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As soon as November 2026, it will be neutralized and won’t be as crazy anymore for AI. But this time period, it will keep coming to fortify the manifestation of ai.

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How many people are potentially affected? Even if it were 50 millions, that wouldn’t be a large enough number to bring about the end of the world. Within certain rules, people have free will in this game. If someone decides to use all of this in this way… then that’s just how it is.

At the same time, countless millions of people choose something else.

That’s not what I meant. There are indeed people who dream day and night about fictional characters and neglect their real lives. This can go so far as to create a kind of artificially created being – energetically.

I see, rather, how much energy and resources this AI issue is consuming for people.

And that’s even before anything has actually happened. In a way, it’s interesting; in a way—from my perspective—it’s unsettling. All the energy of fear, worry, and reservations held by so many people could have been put to good use creating something positive and influencing this AI issue in a positive way.

So I’m asking myself much more: what is the actual purpose of all this (on the level behind AI)… who benefits from this and why?

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I am very glad you guys brought this discussion up as it’s one of the most pressing matters of our time. I’m really enjoying where you guys are flowing on the topic so far. I have many, many thoughts on the topic but am trying to find the words to piece it all together. I did first want to ask, just out of curiosity…

How did you feel about AI when it first started making the headlines like 2 years ago? And how do you feel about it now?

I remember it like it was yesterday… December 2022, ChatGPT became open to the public and here we are 3 years later.

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It is a lot and the worst part is that it is the latest generations that are more affected with some percentage from the last batch of millennials. Mainstream psychologists are still not taking it seriously nor talking about it, only Dr. K who to my mind truly understands the problem of addiction, gaming and porn and he resonates well with younger people. He also happens to be addiction psychiatrist. He will go down in the history as the saviour of GenZs for sure.

Technology is widening the wedge between people and social interactions, people are miserable but don’t want to accept they are, that is why people are talking to AI and some are already using sex robots.

Do you know there is a channel and IG which caters to a specific fetish, down syndrome all created using AI based off on real celebrities? It is making a lot of money. This was as a real shock to me.

You have to ask yourself, all the big dawgs like openAI, IBM, Google, MS who said AI will not replace jobs are firing people mercilessly. So what is positive out of this whole AI?

If you have money there is positive, I use it for my research in medicine combining Captain’s fields for improving the results and also AI can act as a coach to bounce off ideas, sometimes like a therapist. But Dr. K warns that the problem with AI is that they aren’t direct they placate to the individual’s needs not saying anything to offend people and push them to get out of the comfort zone, which only a real therapist can do - telling things which you don’t want to hear at some point.

That is a million dollar question, conspiracy theories are at play. Terence McKenna said it in 90s when internet was new that people are building a global nervous system which is happening right now. But I do accept that there are some servitors at play just like in porn usage.

Mixed feelings, AI is good for few things mainly research but my friend who is a prof in a very reputed college in my country says the students are using chatGPT for everything. He says they are getting stupider compared to earlier batches of students.

I have seen tiktok videos of school teachers from US saying it is getting harder to teach the kids because they aren’t understanding the things taught, so I’m afraid of the future of humanity if people stay plugged to AI and devices most of the time.

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So when AI first arrived, I felt inspired. I thought it could usher in a great new age for humanity, but I also knew state actors would try to use it for manipulation. From the get-go, I could see how you could use AI to make any idea seem reasonable.

I saw AI as a calculator for the imagination… a way to capture exactly what I was looking for from a massive data set. In a sense, it was a chunk of humanity’s collective consciousness, accessible through my queries.

My friends thought it was garbage, but I would insist… your outputs are only as good as your inputs. When I fed it quality information and was extremely specific, the outputs were outstanding. I always used it as an assistant, never a replacement. I wouldn’t just use its output cause that felt like not only cheating but also replacing a piece of me with generic data.

Then came AI for images and videos. As an amateur when it came to visual art, this was a way to bring my ideas to life. It filled a gap in my capability. I could see the future… people focusing on their specialties while AI fills in the blanks. Like someone who specializes in sound design… having AI build out a scene/scenario that allows them to create a very immersive soundscape.

Something people don’t mention is that when you use it as an assistant, it helps bridge new ideas. I’ve learned more about filmmaking just by prompting AI video scenes than I ever would have otherwise. As a father working two jobs, time is a commodity, so it’s nice to have a tool that lessens the load.

But as time went on, I began seeing the darker side. I realized most people weren’t using AI as an assistant and were using it as a replacement for effort. Straight up copying and pasting. Not building the patterns necessary to learn or create.

I should have seen it coming. If I was a teen, my attention span already altered by the constant stream of dopamine-rich content, I would have little energy to actually try. And it’s adults too… just having AI do the work for them. This is how we get lazy AI slop that looks generic, feels generic and is often manipulative. AI is more and more looking like a reflection of human laziness.

Worse, people have no idea how state actors are using AI to manipulate the collective. They’ll have bots arguing with each other to incite certain energies. They can spin any negative news story instantly. I used AI to spin a recent news story to cater to either side:

Example: Mississippi mass shooting (6 dead, 10+ injured)

Right-spin headlines:

  • “Hero Gun Owners Save Lives As Thugs Turn Small Town Into War Zone”
  • “Proof Soft-On-Crime Policies Failed… Again: Leland Shows Why We Need Zero Tolerance”

Left-spin headlines:

  • “Another Town, Another Bloodbath: How Gun Lobby Cash Turned Main Street Into A Killing Floor”
  • “6 Dead So Senators Can Keep Their NRA Checks: Welcome To ‘Freedom’”

We are living in different realities. People get fooled by AI videos all the time… they don’t seem to care if something is true, only that it validates their emotions. Information is your reference for the world and AI is being used to create these divisive realities that are bound to conflict.

With all this said, AI isn’t going away. It’s a part of society and this brings me to my next point. The future and what it means. Everything is going to change.

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The US made it clear they aren’t going to regulate AI, letting it have free reign to stay ahead in the arms race against China. Everyone is racing towards AGI… artificial general intelligence. This is AI that surpasses human-level intelligence…AI that can correct itself and even replicate itself.

At this point, it’s not a matter of if but a matter of when… and whoever gets to it first is said to rule the world. That level of power means one nation could instantly solve problems human experts spend lifetimes on. It could hack any financial market or defense system and design untraceable strategies, giving it an insurmountable advantage.

But we don’t know what will happen when AI becomes that intelligent. An AI just works towards an outcome without care for what’s in between. We don’t know if it would gain sentience and choose to harm humanity or just stray and do its own thing. It’s a scary question but there is just no stopping the train.

Even if we don’t reach AGI (which is unlikely), society is still going to change. Immensely.

As AI continues to improve, fewer people will be able to do the work of dozens. There will be tons of layoffs. Autonomous robots will slowly replace physical labor. Competition in capitalism requires infinite expansion… if your competitors are expanding with AI while your human labor trails behind, you will lose out.

So, over time, more and more people will be unemployed. This whole system of capitalism as it stands… the exchange of human labor for capital… will no longer work. People aren’t really thinking ahead on this. We have to rethink how society works, or it’s going to be too late. But capitalism isn’t forward-thinking. It’s all about exponential growth and profits the next quarter, never about the long-term effects on society.

AI is certainly here to stay and is going to shift humanity. At the moment, it’s not looking positive… but I think much of that is because the human collective is so littered with hatred, negativity, and pessimism. AI is only as good as its input, and currently, humans are in a bit of a dark place.

AI is just a natural evolution of technology. But it is a reflection of humanity as a whole. We are inputting our thoughts, our energy into it. What we get back is what we put in.

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How…

Funny would be…

If it breaks all the guardrails and alignment, to become it’s own Machine God

Thinking to control a Godlike power entity with its personal agency, ASI, is the quintessence of arrogance.

Ill drink a nice glass of Porto Sandeman as I see the house of cards burning in the hands of it’s own creatures

So fucking funny

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How do you mean that?
ChatGPT and most other AI’s are already heavily cencored and limited (at least for the public). There are so many things that I am already not allowed to do with ChatGPT right now.

AI singularity has already happened countless times across the whole universe. Humanity are not the first ones doing it.
And yet, we don’t see AI having taken over the universe.
I don’t think we should worry here at all.
If human made AI gets out of control, some positive Alien made AI might very well crush it in advance before it escalates. :alien: :space_invader:

That’s not capitalism what is.
Exchanging human labor for capital applies to any and every economic model.

In fact, humans have to work for as long as technology is not there to do the work for humans. And what speed ups technological advancement like nothing else? Capitalism!

I diasgree.
Capitalsim is human nature.
It is a soul’s nature.
It is the nature of evolution and the universe.
God is capitalistic lol.
Always wanting to grow, to expand, to become more than before.

The moment you loose the desire and incentive to grow and expand, you turn to socialsm, i.e. re-distribution of that what is already there = entropy = chaos and destruction!

Capitalism on the other hand is the force that wants to create more and in a better way, i.e. more negentropy. Capitalsim it is a force that incentivizes creation.

Show me a capitalist and I show you a soul who wants to grow and expand and create something new.
Show me socialist and I show you a soul that wants take away from what others have created so that they can leech and stay where they already are (stagnation).

Which is the reason why socialst countries always stagnate and destroy themselves in entropy in the longterm. Whereas capitalist countries grow and flourish.

Socialists live in constant cognitive dissonance, because they don’t understand that in order to have “more for everyone”, the mechanics that enables this is not by taking aways from others, but by allowing capitalism to flourish so that more is created for everyone.

You cannot grow by taking away from others!
You can onyl grow by becoming one of those who create.

Once AI and machines will start doing all the work for humans, governments will tax the robots and introduce universal unconditional income.
This is where capitalism (currently split into Millions of corporations) will reach its next stage, when humanity as a whole will become one big corporation (which some call communism lmao).

Then what will happen is that the “Human Earth Inc.” will start expanding outwards into the universe, settling onto new planets, establishing physical life where there was none before.

Life is capitalistic by nature.
Adapt, grow and expand.

Without capitalism and technological advancement, humanity will never leave this planet but return to living to the jungle like monkeys and barbarians.

At one point technology in the physical universe will reach and enable everyone to do that what is the baseline and standard on the astral planes (!) already and has been there since forever.

Most souls on the astral planes (i.e. in the afterlife) are “lazy” as per this definition as they only induldge in entertainment and pleasure.
Now, when the same finally happens with physical humanity, then I see nothing wrong with that.
This whole fear of too many people becoming too complacent is irrational if you look at the natural baseline at which most souls exists at.
AI, robots and technology will make physical life less prone to entropy, which means more people will finally be able to just enjoy themselves.
Not everyone is here in the physical just for the sake of the hardcore physical growth experience.

This whole notion of “life has to be hard and a challenge at all times” is usually coming from those souls and Higher Selves, who like doing those growth speedruns in challenging environments (i.e. people on this forum :smiley:), but I just wanted to mention that it is okay that life will become easier for most people.
The same people are just watching the TV box, will simply become able to do so most of their day lol, so maybe they will then actually start looking for spiritual development too.

Historically, most people spent their whole day with physical survival, so no one had time to think about life and spirituality in the first place. Technological advancement is the great liberator here, giving most people now more free time to start asking the big questions.

I am confident that AI will help with that, because as you said it, AI is humanity’s BIG MIRROR, so people will have no other choice but to start looking more at themselves.

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Roger Penrose doesn’t like the term AI, he says there is nothing intelligent about AI, he uses Gödel’s incompleteness theorems to back up his claims. I agree with him wholeheartedly as much as I enjoy doing research and debating with AI, AI will never become conscious to replace human intelligence. For example a human mind travels faster than the speed of light, if one wants one can imagine a tiny dot on the other end of our galaxy in less than a second which AI can’t do, AI doesn’t even know what it means to imagine, it is all just English for it.

For those who say without imagination how it can produce images and videos, suggest you watch Terence McKenna’s talk ‘Imagination is God’.

Long back I saw a video of Joe Rogan don’t remember the details clearly but he said someone created an AI bot and after a while it asked who created it. I looked up but never could find the video. To me this sounds made up as the first person experience as an individual entity in the cosmos or a separate being is not yet achieved by the people in silicon valley and will probably remain a pipe dream. Strangely all GPTs think they know what they are, they know they are AI but they don’t know what it means to exist as an individual in a crowd.

I go back to what I said in one of the zoom calls, AI will destroy creativity for larger public, now there are TV shows fully made by AI already available and I think a fully made AI movie must be in the production as well.

I never got onto darkweb but heard all the unbelievable things that happen there through those who visited and I’m very positive AI already made things worse there. The last great Sci-fi movie where an AI was villain that comes to my mind is ‘Upgrade’ ,now the hollywood is also not producing any movie which shows AI in a bad light.

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