you think people spending their lives on a journey of self discovery, true happiness, peace etc would like to move a car ? that’s the thing with people spiritually advanced like them, they don’t want to do this meaningless ego driven stuff. They’d wish to elevate the collective consciousness and this is what they’r working on
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That’s a pretty lame excuse imo. is performing miracles somehow ‘beneath’ higher beings?
Jesus of Nazareth and Siddhartha Buddha were able to do miraculous things, but only after they had awakened.
Bro, it’s getting annoying at some point read the rest of the forum, get some books about Morphic fields or do something.
Is it worth ?
Fck do I know, I’m not you.
However it’s clear that all this is new to you and you don’t understand what’s happening.
So check and learn. Make up your own decisions.
It’s going to take sometime.
I can tell you so stuff that’s possible, cuz I know people who do it. People can tell you a lot. But not with that attitude, people don’t really want to share.
Abs I get it, it’s new, you live in 3D. Nothing wrong with that. Just be open minded and learn.
I wouldn’t have approached it the way some other users have, something more gradual since you reality doesn’t yet match that but hey 
Might write something a useful later, gotta go to work
Trying to decide if it’s worth it to learn when you don’t even know is insane.
Don’t worry about the super duper mega dunk that MJ could do. Learn to run and shoot some free throw this week and move on
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they would do that I it was deemed necessary and healers exist in our times ? Sapien is probably the most developed one for example ? So I don’t get your point. They wouldn’t do something just for recognition, but for the greater good of others. ( moving a car isn’t btw )
But you’ve make up your mind right ? I think everything has been said, so I’ll be on my way. Have a nice day !
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I meant, is it generally worth it for the average person. lol
We all live in 3d don’t we? Even the most ‘enlightened’ spiritualists are still largely bodybound.
“some free throw” appears to be all that the average person is capable of :x
Well
Obviously we all will say yes, we think so, otherwise we would not be on this forum 
Yes.
Although, according to my own experience, you can learn to peel the layers off and recognise what is illusion and what is not.
Of course you will still have a physical body until you die.
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@MonkeyOwl
You beat me, that’s what I was going to say.
You can’t even do that.
Look around, how many people are flying to work in your city ? This ain’t the x-men.
Most people are fat and broke
Does it mean working out and starting a business is not worth it ?
Join the ride or go eat ice cream and have fun.
It’s a waste of time
First I thought you wanted physical change, now it’s only worth it if you can lift cars with telekinesis.
You are unaware of 99% of the world, beings and experience. You don’t have the first clue, words can’t express that. No one can tell you
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It’s like bodybuilding, some are naturally better, but it’s about time and work. Most people either don’t want to put in the work and years, the rest take their gains and enjoy instead of pushing.
Not everyone wants to lift cars or make hurricanes especially if they have to work for it or can use money.
The type of guys who obsess with results are the ones who give up the fastest.
Most people don’t want superpowers, they still hold on to their old lives.
Me I want a lot of money, kiss my girl in the neck and tell her everything is great. Get her some fancy designer clothes and jewelry before we go out and drink.
I’m not gonna work for it (yet)
Even if the changes were small, we live in a competition where the winners take all (3D), small changes are huge.
Try and compare. Just try the fields and compare the cost and benefits against their other alternative.
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This forum is not for average people. So why the comparison?
In my opinion meditating your whole incarnation in some mountain temple is a waste of one’s incarnation. You do not need to incarnate if all you want to do is to meditate. You can do it on the astral. Souls come to the physical world because of the challenge, the body challenge, the information overload, for training self-management etc. …not to sit 20 hours a day in a temple and meditate and that’s it.
Meditating monks from the mountains are almost never good examples for spiritual progress.
This forum is not for average people. Why are you comparing yourself to them? Do you want to be average like most? If yes, then this is not the right forum for you. You are either a human in a victim mentality (= average) or you see yourself as a soul and creator (= most people on this forum).
Man, stop feeding yourself with limiting beliefs.
…but becoming aware is at least the first step from NPC to Creator.
This is a victim mindset. Basically you are saying that you do not believe in your own power and will rather wait 200 years until humanity shows you the way… This is not the way to become sovereign!
Collect experiences, grow your Consciosuness, develop more Free Will, develop more Love
You should never play Sapien fields at the same time. This has been mentioned many times on this forum. You need to do more research 
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Yeah the thread derailed a bit into the nature of what is possible vs impossible.
But the reason I use the comparison is because both phenomena are thought to be impossible.
I don’t know man, meditating and breath work are pretty hard, and these monks achieve a high level of physical and mental discipline through training.
Who would you say are the best examples of spiritual progress?
Is being average really so bad? You can have a soul, and be a creator, and still be average can’t you? I’m just saying there’s a range of ability.
Man, stop feeding yourself with limiting beliefs.
Do you disagree? The physical body is the primary barrier when attempting to interface with higher realms
…but becoming aware is at least the first step from NPC to Creator.
This is like saying that learning to read is the first step to becoming a genius. These sorts of people are born, not made, and it’s a rare occurrence. I didn’t “decide” that,
in fact I’ve been looking for evidence which shows otherwise, but it seems to be so.
This is a victim mindset. Basically you are saying that you do not believe in your own power and will rather wait 200 years until humanity shows you the way… This is not the way to become sovereign!
I mean, if you think about it literally anything can be called a victim mindset. I could call you all “victims” for suggesting that spiritual awakening requires hard work and training, rather than being extremely easy and effortless. Why not just change your belief?
Collect experiences, grow your Consciosuness, develop more Free Will, develop more Love
But why? To what end?
You should never play Sapien fields at the same time. This has been mentioned many times on this forum. You need to do more research
Hence my being disheartened
Everything is theoretically possible, because everything is made of Morphic fields.
For example: Flying could be possible if you made an anti-gravity field (I don’t know if anyone ever did though). But a few people can time travel, copy consciousness etc.
I’m sure you can tell he got exasperated and simplified. He’s not wrong though, you won’t go very far if you keep comparing yourself to people who only live in 3D and hold on to flawed expectations.
You assume that beliefs are easy to change which led you to conclude that you can just will yourself to results instantly.
But beliefs are hard to change, perceiving the world clearly enough without the barrier of the ego and preconceived notions, without collective belief is hard. Than knowing how or what to do is still not enough you need the skills to bring it about.
But if you don’t see the problem, if you still perceive the world as strictly mechanical you won’t see the obvious conclusions.
You need to understand something, we are all different, no one sees the exact same thing. There is no ultimate objective knowledge shared by every spiritual person.
People are reaching higher and higher because they don’t have to start from scratch. People could invent computers because electricity, computational theories, mathematics, mechanical engineering and else were already invented.
This collective skill, culture of energetic manipulation compounds. The more the teacher knows and experiments the more the young student will know. Each generation starts where the previous generation stopped and improves on it. Like many other things the spread of information greatly accelerated progress thanks to technology.
You don’t have to start from the beginning, like I already mentioned 
You have course, tools to wire your brain for telepathy and conceptual communication. Tools to expand your energy sensing abilities and strengthen it to handle more energy.
If you had to start from scratch in nature sure, sure it would take you a life time to reach the lowest level in one of these categories. But you don’t have to.
You didn’t start your life alone in the jungle right ? You didn’t have to invent the wheel right ?
As for Jaaj’s points about Monks.
You can think of it as the cost of isolation, monks in the mountain like Amish people live in tradition. They can be far behind the rest of society, but that’s ok with them.
If you cut a country from the rest of the world like North Korea and Cuba they can’t keep up with progress because there is no transfer or communication. Which is not to say all monks are backwards.
Not really. You need a minimum of potential but then it’s up to you to develop it. Once you reach that minimum, hard work becomes the determining factor.
Luckily in this trade, the more you progress the more you can change yourself and manipulate your physiology and increase your limits. Also, this is not a competition, as you can see by the existence of this very forum, many people share their talent with others.
I skipped some parts, it’s tiring but…
Do you want some link to other threads you can read and learn from ?
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There’s no use Philip 
, his ( unfortunately closed ) view of reality is hurt by the fact that people like us are fully aware of sapien’s legitimate work ( and so the morphic field nature of reality ). It’s just for the sake of arguing at this point. let him be X)
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I almost think that the mind set can even created the energy body and aura his way of funtioning i have been expanding my energy system and clearing alot and alot of junk and i still have junk ,so there s sow much to clean and sow much to learn and to experience i just use this playlist vibration series and soul restoration series and ancient art i been with that stack long and after that i never get to much overloading my energy like before ,and i listen alot of feels and still getting result little by little and i use ah omnipotence program from spirituality zone that tock me to another level i alsow use the course audio but only the body prime and energy sensivity
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‘copy consciousness’ you say?
I’m sure you can tell he got exasperated and simplified. He’s not wrong though, you won’t go very far if you keep comparing yourself to people who only live in 3D and hold on to flawed expectations.
Hmm all right, I will make the attempt to view myself as more than a mere human, but it won’t be easy. I confess I have always had a sort of private dislike for people claiming to be ‘enlightened’ above the masses. It is always seemed so elitist. just a personal hang up I guess.
You didn’t start your life alone in the jungle right ? You didn’t have to invent the wheel right ?
A fair point, actually- I have always viewed these fields the way somebody might view a computer or smart phone: a piece of technology that I can use, but would have no hope of constructing on my own. Perhaps no individual could make one totally from scratch.
I think I’ve heard Rupert Sheldrake talking about this- that groups of monkeys are able to ‘pass on’ information to other groups simply by learning it, advancing the total collective consciousness.
I skipped some parts, it’s tiring but…
Do you want some link to other threads you can read and learn from ?
yes! I think this thread has gotten its full mileage
quite to the contrary, I’ve learned a lot from this exchange
edit: replied to wrong comment, oops
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