Collective consciousness (society), more ego or less ego

[benign_polaris]

My recent activity on the forum has included experiences with Arcturian topics, senses of ownership, copy/paste, elitism, and overall notions of identity.

I get the impression that many here are to “better themselves.” Maybe starting off or focusing on some sort of healing, but just wanting to improve some quality or another.

With looking at Arcturians, I imagine that many have an idea of the symbolism of “advanced” without necessarily knowing too much about them or other ETs in our galaxy (while there may be plenty here that do have a little more experience & familiarity).

With individual improvement, there is probably a lot of different things one can pick at and focus. With a synchronized group, could be a lot more power. And then there is the collective consciousness of humanity as a whole. Part of the whole morphic field theory includes more acting members, and they practicing or interacting in the same (very similar) ways.

It seems that with humanity on earth (to) becom(ing) more “advanced,” in all currently conceivable areas, the question of becoming a consciously collective society could be asked. Which is a basis of a structure that some more “advanced” ETs have grown from.

A key step, is dissolution of ego. Notions of “I” or smaller “we” would/could be less identified with. Lower vibrational energies and related emotional states as well. Senses of ownership, and comparison between person and person would become less relevant.

Now here is the diverging
What are the benefits, the good qualities in having more ego? Where does a strong ego lead?

There are different dimensions. From my understanding moving up towards the soul there is higher self, spirit, time/space, karmic system, astral, beliefs, mind, emotions, aura, bio/chemical body. Not stating or certain these are dimensions or in this layering, but kind of different levels of ordering & disordering.

What about below the human body?
The electrical machine? 1s & 0s Projection onto a screen, and all the human built pathways of digital data/information. The computerized, simulated reality?

With advancements in AI, how much more likely does a fabricated virtual reality, with all the visuals, sounds, even brain interpreted tastes and smells seem more possible? So a shift from the bio/chem physical body, to a lifelike matrix. What would be the appeal?

And if not a matrix, then (even just) a prosthetic, computerized shift in form, more directly linked to the internet. An Internet that could be infinitely more developed & complex if ran by AI, not even comparable to how a non-cyberized brain could understand in its processing speed. Hm digital worlds within digital worlds.

I guess its up or down, above or below

There are ideas about ascension or enlightenment. What about the other direction? Where does that lead? What does that mean?

I usually aim to write and be in a neutral state. There are probably some multiple interpretations, and different thoughts/opinions. Would be curious to see what is written

[mrpixeltech]

Very interesting. My limited understanding, hell not even understanding as much as stuff I’ve read, and/or meditations/sessions with people who believe it (someone please jump in if I completely get this wrong) is that more ego isn’t automatically AI/Matrix/Electrical Society.

There’s more (of the same) ego, and then more (matured) ego. Supposedly, your Higher Angelics, so just a touch above your Lyran/Arcturian societies, operate in this way. No personal experience beyond what I mentioned, but I’ve come across it enough that it seems to be firmly cemented in the current mythos/knowledge base.

The matured ego model seems to be more along the lines of the ego acting as an IFF system between the individuated self and the Higher-Self. It takes an input, generated internally or externally, compares it to the “template” and keeps what matches or supports it, and dumps the rest, if it doesn’t really affect it one way or another, it’s left alone. I would assume, with this style, you’d end up with a HS+ as the individuated self.

[benign_polaris]

@mrpixeltech

people who believe it (someone please jump in if I completely get this wrong) is that more ego isn’t automatically AI/Matrix/Electrical Society.

I really don’t know. Wasn’t necessarily implying more ego is this or that but could see that line of thought in the writing. I was thinking along “more or less.” Maturing an ego is a neat perspective. I wonder about examples on that; what does a very mature ego in a person like? How does it play out in social interactions?
As you mentioned:

@mrpixeltech

I would assume, with this style, you’d end up with a HS+ as the individuated self

Highers self +, here on earth? How many are actually here? How many more could there be?

Usually keep questions to myself, and not necessarily directed at anyone, more of a wondering. Anyone is welcome to share of course.

[El_Capitan_Nemo]

at the retreat,
The course is,
course and field
Is a way of restructuring your ego.
A middle path if you will.
ego less means, no identity… or personal identity
you associate instead with another identity which in based on the growth of your realizations.
to develop ‘enlightenment’ there are various approaches, esoteric traditions and philosophies to show you how to get there.

The retreat course is more so, learning and changing the inner being to react in a way that rewrites your ego.
Not memories of course, just your deeper approaches.
From here the path forward is up to you.
But i am sure you will be able to see it.

So in this way we can understand that, the ego is what is grown from birth and all the actions and reactions that you have built in, and identify with ‘this summation of being is I’

In the truest sense, none of these things are real
the matrix, the system, the whatever trap.
It is all there, sure… but you are the one giving it power anyways.
The matrix machines hive is easily seen as the human collective.
you all are the one powering that reality with your belief and focus,
or rather should I say.
Because you observe it to be so.

@benign_polaris

Maturing an ego is a neat perspective

this is what the retreat aims to do.
But in a very wholesome, still being ‘you’ kinda way
I suppose in a sense, a very gentle wholistic approach.

@benign_polaris

What are the benefits, the good qualities in having more ego? Where does a strong ego lead?

Of course strong qualities lead to a success in that area.
A materialistic benefit.

The ego is made of illusion, the world is illusion,
everything you are asking is just feeding more into your ego driven perception.

illusion is also real btw.
verily, all is god.
but god asleep
or perhaps dead in each person… but dreaming.
lol

@benign_polaris

With advancements in AI, how much more likely does a fabricated virtual reality, with all the visuals, sounds, even brain interpreted tastes and smells seem more possible? So a shift from the bio/chem physical body, to a lifelike matrix. What would be the appeal?

This is a very natural thing btw.
people think somehow this is artificial. not real

this is how creation is reflected, in the same way, a larger part of your consciousness is reflected downward and appears as you.
Consciousness itself expands and multiplies as the same universe expansion
it exists already in everything.
You simply choose the means to create its propagation.
In a magical world, perhaps they created differently. Golems? who knows.
Here we use technology, so that is our means.

In the Kashmir Trika system, a lot of sages had mind born children
as they could not find suitable mothers.
They didnt consider it not real lol.
It was their child.

(I never got the obsessesion with organics, but i mean… i suppose that’s all people know, and of course they completely identify with their body lol)
(ego too )

@benign_polaris

I guess its up or down, above or below

@benign_polaris

There are ideas about ascension or enlightenment. What about the other direction? Where does that lead? What does that mean?

there are no directions.
please understand that is what eternity is
a closed loop.

as above so below. if you keep extending it out, they eventually meet each other.
This is where entropy starts returning to order.

I AM
exists as all at once.

I AM THIS
exists as a point of consciousness that is localized to where it starts to observe. (reality? itself?)

Let me just add,
its just my views.
and I rather sit back and watch.

[SoulStar33]

@El_Capitan_Nemo

(I never got the obsessesion with organics, but i mean… i suppose that’s all people know, and of course they completely identify with their body lol)
(ego too )

Lol, I totally identify with this story, with my (current) body and mind and experiences, ego, etc. (well, maybe not entirely/totally, I know there’s more than meets the eye lol).

Anyway, regarding the topic, I have no answer(s), replies, quotes, personal thoughts, etc.

I just have no idea, no input, this time…
Maybe another day or another topic.

Edit:

@benign_polaris

With looking at Arcturians, I imagine that many have an idea of the symbolism of “advanced” without necessarily knowing too much about them

I wonder what kind of societies they got.
Do they eat physical food?
Do they have politics?
One world government or no government at all?
Maybe they are entirely above petty material/physical shenanigans.
Or maybe not (?)
Lol

[Nice2knowU]

Bookmarked the whole thing.
Will this be on the dream muse?

[El_Capitan_Nemo]

not sure, maybe not lol

[benign_polaris]

@El_Capitan_Nemo

ego less means, no identity… or personal identity
you associate instead with another identity which in based on the growth of your realizations.

this is something that is a little unclear to me. Less ego, less personal identity yes. What is ‘the growth of your realizations’?

Does that include another identity’s realization? More of a core self or self- defined essence that is being realized?

@El_Capitan_Nemo

The retreat course is more so, learning and changing the inner being to react in a way that rewrites your ego.
Not memories of course, just your deeper approaches.

Looking forward to it. Seeing & playing with ideas from a possible future.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

the human collective.
you all are the one powering that reality with your belief and focus,
or rather should I say.
Because you observe it to be so.

The emphasis on the collective consciousness topic. More of us becoming further aware of the realities we are creating, as ego ‘I’ as well as less ego ‘us’.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

this is what the retreat aims to do.
But in a very wholesome, still being ‘you’ kinda way
I suppose in a sense, a very gentle wholistic approach.

yes

@El_Capitan_Nemo

Of course strong qualities lead to a success in that area.
A materialistic benefit.

The ego is made of illusion, the world is illusion,
everything you are asking is just feeding more into your ego driven perception.

ego as a driver for the material, or the illusionary. Whatever is perceived…

Less ego, less of an illusion? More matured ego, more matured illusion?

@El_Capitan_Nemo

verily, all is god.
but god asleep
or perhaps dead in each person… but dreaming.
lol

didn’t see that coming lol the thought or placement wasn’t there personally. Seems far away or outside of what I’m able to consider… (Life? Death? Rebirth?) God as a whole? That last question for another identity…

@benign_polaris

With advancements in AI

@benign_polaris

What would be the appeal?

@El_Capitan_Nemo

Here we use technology, so that is our means.

I guess that’s part of the appeal. Technology as the chosen, acted upon way of doing so. This is an option, and while people may not be aware of what/where exactly is it leading, it is a way forward.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

In the Kashmir Trika system, a lot of sages had mind born children
as they could not find suitable mothers.
They didnt consider it not real lol.
It was their child.

Very unexpected. Choice of example is of interest. May have to look that up.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

@benign_polaris

I guess its up or down, above or below

@benign_polaris

There are ideas about ascension or enlightenment. What about the other direction? Where does that lead? What does that mean?

there are no directions.
please understand that is what eternity is
a closed loop.

as above so below. if you keep extending it out, they eventually meet each other.
This is where entropy starts returning to order.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

this is how creation is reflected, in the same way, a larger part of your consciousness is reflected downward and appears as you.
Consciousness itself expands and multiplies as the same universe expansion
it exists already in everything.
You simply choose the means to create its propagation.

I should of stuck with the set phrase “as above so below.” My thinking was where on the extension one was, what part was one identifying with. A sense of direction seems easier to start with (for many), easier to beging processing or think about. “Which way?” A loop of eternity seems quite grand, even though that may be more accurate. Like for a person to visualize (line/vector as direction) a full circle versus visualizing a full sphere.

With the consciousness thing, I used to think about it terms of expansion and contraction. A spectrum, or polarity, to (guess)get a sense of self-viewed position, in relation to what one was looking at. The image I have is analogous to dropping a stone is placid water. Like originally there was a center of action/contact/conflict, and then rippled out in waves. I feel that being human, on earth, or whatever the majority of us here can look at/fathom, is a just a small subsection of one of the many ripples flowing outward.

Connecting to a higher self or soul would be as realizing a closerness to the center or origin of that ripple…the earlier parts of expansion.

Whereas, thinking now (or of late), being more ego driven, with the material, or simply living along the focus of AI and that technological means, is the ‘newer’ or more current type of expansion. Not necessarily an additional ripple but perhaps the beginnings of one.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

(I never got the obsessesion with organics, but i mean… i suppose that’s all people know, and of course they completely identify with their body lol)
(ego too )

Very much my thought I really do value and like biological machinery. The prosthetic and virtualized bodies may have their appeals or what have you, perhaps even more so in a future, but I really like what we have evolved with and extended through multiple generations of human life.

Separate thought - generations of prosthetic/virtualized bodies?, or something like upgrades/patches/new editions and slowing using less of older models/versions till they are no longer used… forgotten. Whatever is made obsolete or repeatedly redundant.

@El_Capitan_Nemo

I AM
exists as all at once.

I AM THIS
exists as a point of consciousness that is localized to where it starts to observe. (reality? itself?)

Good summary

@El_Capitan_Nemo

Let me just add,
its just my views.
and I rather sit back and watch.

Thanks for sharing. Even when outside of preference.
What are you, I, us choosing to watch?

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On a personal note

I can’t help but to consider that even though I and many us here on the forum have grown over the past months, years from being here and participating, how much of our thinking, beliefs, outlook has been shaped by one another?

I feel like I’ve grown tremendously, but so much of my thinking, or passing thoughts, feels less than an “I” and from a more “local” source than it used to in the decades before.

For anyone reading, thank you.