Discussion on masturbation (Kinky stuff)

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#69

A) That was a different thread. My ego state does not change, but that does not mean I am walking around angry all the time.

B) You call it anger. I call it frustration. I think there is a nuanced difference between the two.

C) As I said before, not all anger is unjustified or inappropriate. If you want to be a “saint” and turn the other cheek when mistreated, good on you. I do not subscribe to that, and even if I was still aspiring to sainthood, I could point to numerous examples across various spiritual traditions of otherwise saintly individuals who nonetheless got a bit heated at times.

Here’s a rather seasonal example…

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St. Nicholas, the prototype for Santa Claus, is famous for throwing bags of gold into the houses of needy women, and slapping the shit out of the heretic Arius at the height of the Arian heresy. Santa Claus was jailed for his “crime”.

(My point has nothing to do with whether he was right or wrong about the heresy. The point is that he was not a generally angry or hateful man, but someone that was indignant in the face of a senseless situation.)

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#70

Sure, not all anger is unjustified.
What I find changed after used a lot of ego dissolution and fields like that is my perception of others and others’ actions and words. Things that would have hurt/frustrated me before and surely would have gotten a rise out of me just… go over my head in a way. They don’t even phase me, I literally don’t care deep inside. If anything, I laugh, but not in a mean way, just sort of “benevolently amused”.

There are conversations that I surely would have engaged in before to try and get my point across and convince the other person - I don’t even feel like engaging anymore.
And again, deep inside this “I don’t care” feeling doesn’t come with frustration. It’s rather a consideration of

  • hmm… in the grand scheme of things does this even matter at all?
  • meh… nah, it doesn’t matter.

So I turn my attention to something that does matter instead.

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#71

@anon17734191 you sure have a strange perception for spotting anger. It’s just hilarious that you tagged me to that video.

There was only one person whose inner broken child was literally screaming in this thread.

The funniest part is that the dude who says the ego is the root problem of everything turned out to have a gigantic ego himself. and that’s fine. I know it’s the toll of a passionate & dedicated personality. What’s worse is the even more broken needy souls getting caught up in a narcissists’ charm and blindly wasting their time and my time. Literally in a deranged/delusional manner.

I pray for your health and conclude my presence in this thread with a kudos to @wuMing’s righteous balls.

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#72

This passive agressive stuff aint cool man. Cut it.

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#73

In my opinion, masturbation isn’t a bad thing. It all comes down to balance. It’s just so much harder for most men to balance that desire to get off because we end up being controlled by that desire. It can literally consume us.

And the worst part is that when we overdo it, we are just throwing away our vitality/willpower. But doing it every now and then is no biggie at all. You’re your best friend. You can please yourself lol.

It’s just best to be able to do it from a standpoint of having the choice to do it rather than that lust choose for you.

I guess that’s why semen retention/no fap is so popular. Those guys are just at the point of having to go the extreme to eradicate that overwhelming desire. I can understand that.

I don’t think women have this issue though. Ladies don’t lose jing during sex. They can just… keep going and going (oh so lucky…). So masturbation to them isn’t a problem for the most part.

And fortunately, most women aren’t consumed by sexual desire in the same way that men are. It’s sort of a balancing act when you think about it.

I know there’s got to be ways that women can use masturbation for energy/spiritual growth. I only know of the taoist ways for men but not sure that they could be applied to women as well. Anyone happen to know?

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#75

This does not directly answer any questions about female masturbation (or masturbation in general), but I think it is an even better illustration of the point you were making about other fluids and such…

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#77

Def. the same applies. And believe me we women could have as much as that annoying excess of desire to get off, majority just dont talk about it because it ‘looks bad ‘ Specially around the monthly days. Its tough lol
Ive used tantric techniques to distribute that sexual energy and turn it into a massive creative clearing energy, i felt super powerful after, however every now and then playing with myself is such a liberating feeling as well and i get more productive and joyful after. I think the key is not doing it because or when we are going through a crisis, it used to happen to me, in tough times i could only find joy masturbating so there were days id do it a lot then just wanted to sleep (i guess depleting my energy) the urge would get higher and higher depending on the mood (down one for the most part which made it more toxic) my energy systems started to get all over the place, until i finally broke the pattern by tantra or simply walking on nature barefooted wearing skirts that werent too tight without panties (hahah this is TMI i know) but i want to share the light to other women here, honestly that practice was amazing because i could feel free while anchoring that force from above to below. Dancing while at it is even better, the strength of that energy force going up and down my body is incredible.

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#78

“In order to retain qi, man must cause woman to orgasm first”

Is that why most guys lose their qi? ;D

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#79

Since you brought this up, came across this earlier as well…

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I think this is relevant for both sexes. As a man I have definitely noticed the difference between masturbating in different mindsets / emotional states too. It can be energizing, it can be pretty neutral, or it can be rather wounding.

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#80

Ahhh now i understand more lol
My cycle is totally in synch with the Moon’s cycle. :crazy_face: (hence my names lol)

Thats a nice piece of info, i knew about just the days when we are on our period falling on the full moon it can get really tough but its also very powerful, but now you made me think of when i am ovulating which falls on new moon and i feel it strong and its when i am most productive. :slightly_smiling_face: thanks for sharing x

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Me af. And if you add that in Vedic horoscope my ascendant and moon are ruled by Cancer… phew. You can imagine haha

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#81

Interesting how it all works. Makes a lot of sense that menstruation is expels jing energy.

@anon26869922 This all makes a lot of sense as well. Masturbation itself is a pretty nice dopamine high. So it’s a nice thing to do to feel good. I’m sure it’s the same with women too.

You can get creative and giddy afterwards though? That’s awesome! Can’t say the same thing has ever happened to me despite the mood I’m in when I’ve done it. I juust get lazy afterwards lol.

I think that women might be able to energy orgasm easier than men can. You girls are already multi orgasmic. An energy orgasm is basically an energetic orgasm that gives emotional pleasure rather than physical. That being said, the emotional pleasure is physical in a sense since it releases pleasure neurotransmitters.

Beyond pleasure, energy orgasms heavily stimulate the chakras and expand them as well. They can also lead to euphoric/high consciousness states of being.

So I haven’t been able to find the information for women but I think the same would apply. Masturbating and focusing the pleasure energy on a chakra until you orgasm but instead focus that orgasmic energy on the chakra. (Usually best to do in the sacral chakra) It’s hard to describe this but it’s best that while you masturbate, direct whatever stimulation you feel to your chakra. Focus more on the feeling, the energy.

Having control over the pelvic muscles (kegels help with this) would be essential as your body’s natural urge would be to orgasm physically. Contracting the pelvic muscle while orgasm will help you resist the natural urge to just orgasm normally.

This should work for women and more easily (that’s a guess lol). I’ve only been able to do this a few times. It is not easy to pull off as a man. In fact, the full body energy orgasm taoist way is by orgasming through the spine and then microsmic orbit the energy but… I’ve only pulled that off once. Very, very difficult to do and I have pretty good control of my energy. This takes a STRONG level of focus, man or woman, so keep that in mind. Might be best to be in a meditative state beforehand (alpha or theta brainwave state).

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#82

This made me laugh because ive always felt sleepy after like men lol i meant not right after i get all hype but once the sleepy feeling has subsided and i keep going with my day yes.

This is exactly what you do when practicing tantra.

I think also another reason why is easier for women is because naturally women hold back the orgasm because of what weve said ‘repressed guilty feelings imposed by old societies mentality’ If more women were away of this power things would drastically improve within the women’s body and the spiritual connection AND relationships.

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#83

When you say more active does that include sex as well as masturbation?

#84

Here’s a weird theory of mine just postulating here:
Men are encouraged to be hyper sexual by society because these loose energy or whatever from too much and women are encouraged to be practically nuns because they gain from being sexual and or masturbating.
I have no idea if that’s true LOL but I’m just saying it would explain a HELL of a lot about why society tries to encourage us to do the opposite!
No fap for me personally was NOT a positive and I’m female. It may help some women.
ANYWAY yes I’m curious because I’ve only heard about no fap type stuff for men, semen retention never the opposite for women, VERY curious to hear more.
ALSO female sexuality is sometimes SO discouraged hush hush, this is refreshing to have this topic!!!

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#85

I heard in the context of masturbation, but I think it applies to sex as well. and more.

What you said about society being upside down, makes sense to me. The common pattern I see is that one overcoming himself/herself in whatever way seems to trigger a spiritual growth.

Well perhaps overcoming isn’t the right word. I just mean going beyond what was pushed on your personality and becoming a person of your own. But there’s often a fight from your ego, so I like the word “overcoming”.

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#86

Can someone throw light on prostate orgasm for men. More keen to know about spiritual and energy significance it has ( if at all)

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#87

Lol it humbles them down if a woman helps the man achieving it, so i guess thats evolving somehow haha. Okok im shutting my opinionated mouth now :face_with_hand_over_mouth::innocent:

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#88

heterosexual men could definitely learn a lot from lgbt+ men! the prostate is part of the usual orgasm most men feel. imagine if you had access to it and have it stimulated over and over again even before orgasm.

:face_with_hand_over_mouth: :ok_woman:

like @anon26869922 said, a heterosexual man allowing their partner (i’m going to assume heterosexual female) entrance to their prostate could be very sexually liberating.

start with the smaller digits and work your way up through multiple sessions. don’t have to do it all in one go. you’d be surprised how open and receptive your hole can be when aroused. no resistance.

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heterosexual men, have you ever tried vibrating toys?

:shushing_face: :sunglasses:

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#90

Hahahaha woiiiii you went all in with that comment :joy:ok i dont feel so bad now with my comment. Lets focus tho and talk about the spiritual aspect of it if any as per the person who asked which probably is regretting it now lol

But i agree with you, liberating, also healthy tho for the prostate and since it feels more intense i guess it reaches higher levels. Im curious to know more about it. I’ll research and see

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