Can you really love something without hating the opposite pole of it?
Does this mean one has to transcend beyond duality to experience unconditional love?
If we transcend beyond duality, does anything really matter?
If all religions, doctrines, ethics, life lessons are there to provide structure to do “the right thing”,
wouldn’t they prevent “unconditional love” instead of clearing the path to?
Is “unconditional love” just another illusion of this realm?
I’ll stop here, but please do add interesting questions even if you don’t have any answer to 'em.
Love is synonymous to selflessness. As long as we grasp onto a self image, we are full of self. Once we get rid of this self-image, we are self-less.
Without a self, there is no other. Hence it is nondual.
Imo, Mother Earth turning, the delicate balance of our solar system or even our bodies and ecosystems- this is a true expression of unconditional Love.
The self cannot grasp unconditionality, because itself is divisive and conditioned. It splits the world into you vs me, here vs there, good vs bad.
I think unconditional love can be only for existence as a whole. “The All”.
Once we start talking about any subset of all there is, duality comes into play.
“I love this, I love that” cannot be unconditional.
This is brand new information for me!
The rest of your text makes great sense. That does kinda answer my 6th and 8th questions.
Although, If we’re talking about transcending duality, “love” should be as irrelative as “hate”.
So I suppose one could go around campaigning for “unconditional hate” and end up on the same plane.
But I don’t think it would be new to your experience. Have you ever loved someone? It’s always putting someone else before yourself. Instinctively, we know that love is about caring for others before tending to our ‘self image’. In the Sedaka Sutta, the Buddha taught:
And how does one look after others by looking after oneself?
By practicing (mindfulness), by developing (it), by doing (it) a lot.
And how does one look after oneself by looking after others?
By patience, by non-harming, by loving kindness, by caring (for others).
(Thus) looking after oneself, one looks after others;
and looking after others, one looks after oneself.
The opposite of “Love” isn’t really hatred. You can find many couples who ‘love’ each other but harbour hatred for each other due to unmet expectations. The opposite of Love is apathy and ignorance, divisiveness and division.
I think honesty, seeing through manipulation etc springs forth from loving yourself unconditionally.
Why bother with all that and your view on what makes one a good person?
Who or what a good person is depends on your perception in the first place.
Accepting or loving someone doesn’t make him good or better.
I don’t quite understand what you mean
You already can love yourself or I think exploring yourself and find the reason why you love yourself in some circumstances more and less in others.
then you also don’t “need” this:
as in being needy or searching for it all the time etc. it will come more naturally to you.
Cause you would safe him from your viewpoint on what’s good or bad I guess.
If you can do that out of love that’s nice.
I don’t quite get what you mean there. maybe word it differently?
Hate is just a form of love that is more solid. Harder and cold.Than what you consider as normal love. Hate is still love
Think of ice. It melt it become the love that you always see. which is the water part. Then it evaporates it become gas. The gas part is the unconditional love. Not lot of people sees. But they feel it around them.
You see. When people have their psyche filled with unconditional love. They feel it breathing inside them from thin air. It makes you high. I’m not talking about weed or whatever substances. The real unconditional love makes you forget. And detach so easily. Because you become lighter. It makes you fly high!
But not saying there isn’t dark side to it. If your ego not ready to receive this kind of love. Of course. You will battle yourself to the point you might gone crazy.
Not crazy. But people around you might think you are crazy haha.
You see my point? Three stages of love my friends!
Jesus. Buddha. And whatever that is famous religious leader. How people praise them because they receive this unconditional love… But if you look the history itself. It’s not an easy path. Because there will be people that will against you. This happened with jesus. Same thing with Buddha. Or Muhammad. Or whatever gods out there. These kind of people that are not the one that ready to receive ( the greatest love of all) it’s so great that it triggers them so much pain in them…
Back in time. People assume jesus is the devil. Because he can do the creepy things from thin air. When in actuality it’s all just energy and and of course love. It’s all love. We all love. We all connected. And that is love. And it’s where we will come back eventually
Same thing with higher beings. Call it alien or whatever. The reason why people who suffer from either depression or lower kind of vibration. They never really see angelic being happening in their life because if it does. It will trigger so much pain. That it will only worsen the condition.
The only way is to work spiritually. To raise above all. You heal your pain. Heal the shadow aspects of it. You working on healing yourself more. You will begin to see these beings so called high will come to you in many ways they manifest to you.
In this world. Not lot of people know what unconditional love really means. You have to know yourself first and heal yourself. In order to see the bigger path of love. By then you can understand it. That everything is the part of love🙂
Speaking of greatest love of all. I’ll let Whitney Houston sing loudly
Yes and no.
I think it’s more about probability.
With love you accept more of the person see more from them and your consciousness expands. That way you also see a possible deception more clearly or your subconsious just helps you to stay out of such situations where you could be taken advantage off.
I think with love you’re also more open to explore the reason behind the dynamics of the interactions and with such you can grow and expand.
Things like that maybe you were part of the play.
That something inside you likes to play the victim for example.
Hate may lead to seeing through manipulations too… but seeing through them is the false word in my opinion cause it blinds you.
It blinds you to the reality of others and shuts you into yours.
You’re also more likely to disregard the possibility of you being part of the issue
It doesn’t let you see the “whole” and doesn’t let you expand.
Then look into yourself and see what made you fall in “love” with that person.
Maybe I didn’t really made a distinction but conditional love can kick your ass pretty much. That’s where all the heartbreak comes from I guess.
It’s also not really loving “others” or “yourself” it’s loving unconditionally.
There are emotions and concepts and you decide how to react to that in my opinion.
If you love unconditionally you don’t want or force yourself or others to be compatible. Of course this state of being stops if you do that.
Why can’t one talk with unconditional love? Sure the desire to engage in such an act (flirting etc) may stop but so what? You feel better and you are more fulfilled anyway. Just guessing btw but you would probably only go after girls that are in line with your soul growth.
If you don’t go after her sure you might regret it but you can later on find out the reason and then work on that and let it go and love yourself.
I don’t think someone will feel responsible for such actions if they love unconditionally. They will be able to show compassion though and not try to condemn the people who did such a thing and thats the whole point I think.
Like I said it’s not even loving yourself or the one that did such a attack but to view the whole with a loving perception. Which would maybe get you into a state of neutrality after some time. Simple observing the interactions and stop judging.
From there then also get new ideas or do things differently than now.
I personally don’t see anything masochistic in that.
Why do you think that you can’t live in unconditional love?
Stop looking outside and look inside. If you work on your inside on your perception your view on the outer world will change too.
You would simple accept the rules in your job and if not you would search for a new one.
Even if you can’t you would accept it cause it was your choice in the end to stay you wouldn’t feel forced etc. Dunno if that’s love but just my idea on how to live better with the outside world.
I think you try to view unconditional love with the viewpoint you have now which is not unconditional love so of course you don’t get anywhere.
Not saying I have it all figured out hope that doesn’t come across that way but truly loving unconditionally all the time sets you free from the suffering from this world in my opinion lets you transcend duality. This doesn’t hurt at all.
I think you get the idea that love hurts from conditional love.
I said quite the opposite before didn’t I?
That you can stand up for yourself but it will be in a loving way.
Unconditional loving it is the best way in my opinion cause your ego is out of the way.
I… no.
Is it from a personal story? I just take a guess try to forgive them and accept them and even better the wounds they made on you accept them and try to figure out what lead to them etc.
Dunno I’m tired I don’t write that much that often it is more tiring than I thought.
There are these moments in life where “ascension” and “taking refuge in the divine” are synonymous…
In one aspect, it is a lot like immigrating from a 3rd world war-zone to a more peaceful land. Don’t you think so?
The challenge is that we have to endure the low-vibrational activities until a visa is granted. Family and friends pull you down, not because they intend harm, but because they vibrate at a low level… Their souls are ensnared by greed and sloth. Their minds are blinded by ignorance. They become low-IQ parasites… but they are still family… and we owe them at least a little. or don’t we?
Ascension requires higher consciousness and ethics, but you can’t get them until you get out of the swamp… It’s like most jobs requiring experience, but the new graduates can’t get experience until they get a job… how does one solve this? or perhaps there is nothing to solve and nobody cares anyway… but I have seen beings who care… why do they intervene too little? they say there is no “others” and we are all “one”… then why is there conflict? let’s assume it’s an “invention” of the One, where are the high ethics when unwanted conflicts occur? it seems that nothing really matters…
yeah… maybe that’s the ultimate consciousness… nothing really matters…
I have been contemplating on my recent situation and life in general…
It’s obvious that my subconscious beliefs require some conditions for compassion.
I don’t think everyone deserves compassion… I doubt “unconditional love” is fully unconditional…
there has to be a limit, and I think that limit is when the recipient of love abuses the goodwill of the giver. Anger is trying to swoop in… but I’m refusing to be angry, calming myself down through “compassionate understanding”… yet I should have compassion for myself too… it can’t be just one way… how do we reconcile compassion and justice? what is justice anyway… ?
I agree that not everyone deserves unconditional love. Furthermore, the sense of justice and love don’t go hand in hand; justice requires logic and reason, qualities that don’t align with the heart (love or the emotional part of the brain).
Unconditional love doesn’t quite mean that you let people step over you or that you don’t set any boundaries. Protecting yourself is a matter of self love that is essential to your path. Without it, you become others punching bag and that isn’t self loving at all.
Way I personally see it is that unconditional love is more of the deeper understanding that all is one and for that alone, I love everyone at a fundamental level. I am rooting for everyone to find the light and reach their highest being cause in essence, I am rooting for another part of myself.
But although I’ll root for everyone, it doesn’t mean I’ll approve of all of their behavior. If their behavior is toxic to me or themselves, then I’m not going to tolerate it. For if I were to tolerate it, that would be a disservice to myself and also me approving of their self destructive behavior. Unconditional love becomes toxic when it appropriates toxic behavior. That is why I believe standing your ground is one of the most essential aspects of self love.
Unconditional love to me is more of a sense of understanding people are all on the paths they’re supposed to be and to wish everyone well, despite how they might hurt themselves, me or others.
Many people tend to become scornful and hateful of people and that tends to get in the way of your path as you move along. Whether you’re on the spiritual path or not, scorn debilitates you more than it does the other person.
It is a repressive attachment that becomes a wall within your flow of energy. It also disconnects you from source energy and your conscious connection to divinity. Cause well, divinity is everything and hating any part of it, disconnects you from the whole.
The goal just becomes to make peace with it all. Doesn’t mean to approve of everything or to like things that are destructive. Just means to be neutral and flow with grace.
The swamp is the testing ground for higher consciousness and ethics though. It is gained through your actions in the lower realms that reflect benevolence to yourself and world around you. Best you can do is be the best you can be. Be the example that plants seeds in others minds. But don’t attach yourself to helping others as that will drag you down along with them.
All these conflicts and challenges are the breeding ground for higher consciousness to emerge. It is how the ‘one’ creates opportunities for itself to learn and grow.
I was just venting and the question marks were more like thoughts flowing spontaneously without aim, perhaps a little like a self-inquiry. I suppose there is value in being aimless too (tao te chhing rings a bell as I type this) and definitely in being on this forum too.
huh, now I’m recalling some posts about how order and disorder are 2 constants in the universe…
Perhaps this had to happen, so I could upgrade my understanding a little further.
I also came across some sayings of Jesus mentioning how he is the vine and the divine is the gardener. After some hours, as I type this post, I now see that it’s actually a pretty good analogy for what I’m going through. a mild synchronicity. Gotta let go and cut off the branches that bear no fruit.
oh well, I’m feeling much better although Idk what the next steps are.
With all things considered, I wish everyone good luck.
Oh I know you’re just flowing. I agree with your sentiments and thought they were great questions. Only answered them cause they made me think and have to dig into em.
, but I highly respect your ground.
