Maybe continue here? it’s an old thread.
Can you copy paste your answer to here?
Then I don’t need to switch back and forth.
I think honesty, seeing through manipulation etc springs forth from loving yourself unconditionally.
Why bother with all that and your view on what makes one a good person?
Who or what a good person is depends on your perception in the first place.
Accepting or loving someone doesn’t make him good or better.
I don’t quite understand what you mean
You already can love yourself or I think exploring yourself and find the reason why you love yourself in some circumstances more and less in others.
then you also don’t “need” this:
as in being needy or searching for it all the time etc. it will come more naturally to you.
Cause you would safe him from your viewpoint on what’s good or bad I guess.
If you can do that out of love that’s nice.
I don’t quite get what you mean there. maybe word it differently?
wish you a good run!
Opposite of love is hate
When you hate someone to the point you wish his/her non existence in world
Quite simple
Love born love
Hate destroy
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Hate is just a form of love that is more solid. Harder and cold.Than what you consider as normal love. Hate is still love
Think of ice. It melt it become the love that you always see. which is the water part. Then it evaporates it become gas. The gas part is the unconditional love. Not lot of people sees. But they feel it around them.
You see. When people have their psyche filled with unconditional love. They feel it breathing inside them from thin air. It makes you high. I’m not talking about weed or whatever substances. The real unconditional love makes you forget. And detach so easily. Because you become lighter. It makes you fly high!
But not saying there isn’t dark side to it. If your ego not ready to receive this kind of love. Of course. You will battle yourself to the point you might gone crazy.
Not crazy. But people around you might think you are crazy haha.
You see my point? Three stages of love my friends!
Jesus. Buddha. And whatever that is famous religious leader. How people praise them because they receive this unconditional love… But if you look the history itself. It’s not an easy path. Because there will be people that will against you. This happened with jesus. Same thing with Buddha. Or Muhammad. Or whatever gods out there. These kind of people that are not the one that ready to receive ( the greatest love of all) it’s so great that it triggers them so much pain in them…
Back in time. People assume jesus is the devil. Because he can do the creepy things from thin air. When in actuality it’s all just energy and and of course love. It’s all love. We all love. We all connected. And that is love. And it’s where we will come back eventually 
Same thing with higher beings. Call it alien or whatever. The reason why people who suffer from either depression or lower kind of vibration. They never really see angelic being happening in their life because if it does. It will trigger so much pain. That it will only worsen the condition.
The only way is to work spiritually. To raise above all. You heal your pain. Heal the shadow aspects of it. You working on healing yourself more. You will begin to see these beings so called high will come to you in many ways they manifest to you.
In this world. Not lot of people know what unconditional love really means. You have to know yourself first and heal yourself. In order to see the bigger path of love. By then you can understand it. That everything is the part of love🙂
Speaking of greatest love of all. I’ll let Whitney Houston sing loudly 
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Yes and no.
I think it’s more about probability.
With love you accept more of the person see more from them and your consciousness expands. That way you also see a possible deception more clearly or your subconsious just helps you to stay out of such situations where you could be taken advantage off.
I think with love you’re also more open to explore the reason behind the dynamics of the interactions and with such you can grow and expand.
Things like that maybe you were part of the play.
That something inside you likes to play the victim for example.
Hate may lead to seeing through manipulations too… but seeing through them is the false word in my opinion cause it blinds you.
It blinds you to the reality of others and shuts you into yours.
You’re also more likely to disregard the possibility of you being part of the issue
It doesn’t let you see the “whole” and doesn’t let you expand.
Then look into yourself and see what made you fall in “love” with that person.
Maybe I didn’t really made a distinction but conditional love can kick your ass pretty much. That’s where all the heartbreak comes from I guess.
It’s also not really loving “others” or “yourself” it’s loving unconditionally.
There are emotions and concepts and you decide how to react to that in my opinion.
If you love unconditionally you don’t want or force yourself or others to be compatible. Of course this state of being stops if you do that.
Why can’t one talk with unconditional love? Sure the desire to engage in such an act (flirting etc) may stop but so what? You feel better and you are more fulfilled anyway. Just guessing btw but you would probably only go after girls that are in line with your soul growth.
If you don’t go after her sure you might regret it but you can later on find out the reason and then work on that and let it go and love yourself.
I don’t think someone will feel responsible for such actions if they love unconditionally. They will be able to show compassion though and not try to condemn the people who did such a thing and thats the whole point I think.
Like I said it’s not even loving yourself or the one that did such a attack but to view the whole with a loving perception. Which would maybe get you into a state of neutrality after some time. Simple observing the interactions and stop judging.
From there then also get new ideas or do things differently than now.
I personally don’t see anything masochistic in that.
Why do you think that you can’t live in unconditional love?
Stop looking outside and look inside. If you work on your inside on your perception your view on the outer world will change too.
You would simple accept the rules in your job and if not you would search for a new one.
Even if you can’t you would accept it cause it was your choice in the end to stay you wouldn’t feel forced etc. Dunno if that’s love but just my idea on how to live better with the outside world.
I think you try to view unconditional love with the viewpoint you have now which is not unconditional love so of course you don’t get anywhere.
Not saying I have it all figured out hope that doesn’t come across that way but truly loving unconditionally all the time sets you free from the suffering from this world in my opinion lets you transcend duality. This doesn’t hurt at all.
I think you get the idea that love hurts from conditional love.
I said quite the opposite before didn’t I?
That you can stand up for yourself but it will be in a loving way.
Unconditional loving it is the best way in my opinion cause your ego is out of the way.
I… no.
Is it from a personal story? I just take a guess try to forgive them and accept them and even better the wounds they made on you accept them and try to figure out what lead to them etc.
Dunno I’m tired I don’t write that much that often it is more tiring than I thought.
There are these moments in life where “ascension” and “taking refuge in the divine” are synonymous…
In one aspect, it is a lot like immigrating from a 3rd world war-zone to a more peaceful land. Don’t you think so?
The challenge is that we have to endure the low-vibrational activities until a visa is granted. Family and friends pull you down, not because they intend harm, but because they vibrate at a low level… Their souls are ensnared by greed and sloth. Their minds are blinded by ignorance. They become low-IQ parasites… but they are still family… and we owe them at least a little. or don’t we?
Ascension requires higher consciousness and ethics, but you can’t get them until you get out of the swamp… It’s like most jobs requiring experience, but the new graduates can’t get experience until they get a job… how does one solve this? or perhaps there is nothing to solve and nobody cares anyway… but I have seen beings who care… why do they intervene too little? they say there is no “others” and we are all “one”… then why is there conflict? let’s assume it’s an “invention” of the One, where are the high ethics when unwanted conflicts occur? it seems that nothing really matters…
yeah… maybe that’s the ultimate consciousness… nothing really matters…
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I have been contemplating on my recent situation and life in general…
It’s obvious that my subconscious beliefs require some conditions for compassion.
I don’t think everyone deserves compassion… I doubt “unconditional love” is fully unconditional…
there has to be a limit, and I think that limit is when the recipient of love abuses the goodwill of the giver. Anger is trying to swoop in… but I’m refusing to be angry, calming myself down through “compassionate understanding”… yet I should have compassion for myself too… it can’t be just one way… how do we reconcile compassion and justice? what is justice anyway… ?
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I agree that not everyone deserves unconditional love. Furthermore, the sense of justice and love don’t go hand in hand; justice requires logic and reason, qualities that don’t align with the heart (love or the emotional part of the brain).
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Unconditional love doesn’t quite mean that you let people step over you or that you don’t set any boundaries. Protecting yourself is a matter of self love that is essential to your path. Without it, you become others punching bag and that isn’t self loving at all.
Way I personally see it is that unconditional love is more of the deeper understanding that all is one and for that alone, I love everyone at a fundamental level. I am rooting for everyone to find the light and reach their highest being cause in essence, I am rooting for another part of myself.
But although I’ll root for everyone, it doesn’t mean I’ll approve of all of their behavior. If their behavior is toxic to me or themselves, then I’m not going to tolerate it. For if I were to tolerate it, that would be a disservice to myself and also me approving of their self destructive behavior. Unconditional love becomes toxic when it appropriates toxic behavior. That is why I believe standing your ground is one of the most essential aspects of self love.
Unconditional love to me is more of a sense of understanding people are all on the paths they’re supposed to be and to wish everyone well, despite how they might hurt themselves, me or others.
Many people tend to become scornful and hateful of people and that tends to get in the way of your path as you move along. Whether you’re on the spiritual path or not, scorn debilitates you more than it does the other person.
It is a repressive attachment that becomes a wall within your flow of energy. It also disconnects you from source energy and your conscious connection to divinity. Cause well, divinity is everything and hating any part of it, disconnects you from the whole.
The goal just becomes to make peace with it all. Doesn’t mean to approve of everything or to like things that are destructive. Just means to be neutral and flow with grace.
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The swamp is the testing ground for higher consciousness and ethics though. It is gained through your actions in the lower realms that reflect benevolence to yourself and world around you. Best you can do is be the best you can be. Be the example that plants seeds in others minds. But don’t attach yourself to helping others as that will drag you down along with them.
All these conflicts and challenges are the breeding ground for higher consciousness to emerge. It is how the ‘one’ creates opportunities for itself to learn and grow.
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thanks guys, I really appreciate your thoughts!
I was just venting and the question marks were more like thoughts flowing spontaneously without aim, perhaps a little like a self-inquiry. I suppose there is value in being aimless too (tao te chhing rings a bell as I type this) and definitely in being on this forum too. 
huh, now I’m recalling some posts about how order and disorder are 2 constants in the universe…
Perhaps this had to happen, so I could upgrade my understanding a little further.
I also came across some sayings of Jesus mentioning how he is the vine and the divine is the gardener. After some hours, as I type this post, I now see that it’s actually a pretty good analogy for what I’m going through. a mild synchronicity. Gotta let go and cut off the branches that bear no fruit.
oh well, I’m feeling much better although Idk what the next steps are.
With all things considered, I wish everyone good luck.
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Oh I know you’re just flowing. I agree with your sentiments and thought they were great questions. Only answered them cause they made me think and have to dig into em.
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I can totally understand what you said Sam in your last two messages and I also share the same perspective.
Except for this part …
How? How is the source learning from conflicts. What is it achieving by creating such situations and challenges? And why? Why is it doing all this … learning? Isn’t the source know it all?
I fail to understand this reasoning about ‘source wanted to learn about itself and so it created all the worlds within itself… and all these miseries within its own worlds.’ Why source wants to experience this much pain and we as fragments of the source have to go through this.
Feels like God just was bored and fragments of Gods are victims to its entertainment… and I believe source feels all this unnecessary pain too 
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It’s natural to wonder why a source that “knows it all” would need to experience conflict or pain. But this is where the concept of expansion comes in. The source, or ‘all,’ isn’t stagnant. Even though it is all-knowing, it is in a constant state of creating, expanding, and evolving. It’s not about learning something it doesn’t know—it’s about experiencing the infinite possibilities of itself.
On Earth, duality—like life and death, predator and prey—is one of the ways the universe expresses itself. It’s part of how this particular plane of existence operates. Other realms, planets, or dimensions may function on entirely different rules, but here, conflict is a tool for growth. Every struggle, every challenge on this planet is like the friction that polishes a diamond. Souls come here to grow through these specific experiences.
While your ego, the part of you deeply tied to earthly identity, may see this as suffering and question its meaning, your higher self—the part of you that is infinite—understands the value. You chose this life, this game, for the growth it brings, even if the ego doesn’t remember that choice. That’s why it can feel so painful. You’re so identified with your ego that the suffering feels like the whole story, but it’s really just a tiny fragment of a much larger journey.
Even a lifetime of extreme suffering, as incomprehensible as it may seem from our limited view, is only a blip in the scale of eternity. From the perspective of the infinite, it’s just one experience among countless others, each contributing to your soul’s infinite expansion. You are not just a fragment of the source—you are another universe in the making. Forever gathering knowledge, experiencing, and expanding.
It’s like Indra’s net, where every jewel reflects every other. Every experience, every challenge, every piece of existence is connected to the whole, endlessly expanding in infinite reflection.
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hi Sammy
I’m planning to buy Vibration of Divine Love
I want to ask
is there also will be upgrade version of the vibration series in the near future like the Soul restoration series?
so I can save my money to buy the upgraded version instead
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One can get this at a cognitive level but the real meaning of this can better be found in deep silence I assume. Again, it may be just one experience at the larger level but to us incarnates if feels insufferable at times.
Thanks for responding and for the insights @SammyG
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If I may chime in. Sometimes I feel tired of growing and this expansion. Especially when I feel I’ve been feeling this way, this huge vastness and the intelligence of the creator within and in all…since I was a child , I didn’t understand it back then ,but I was lost between the intelligence within me or my soul and the actual physical reality of it all, what my physical emotional self was experiencing at that time and till now.
I have a question. How do I get a break ? or I’m not sure how to put it into a question or find words for it.
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Not sure if I understood your question well and definitely @SammyG is the right person to answer this. But my few cents here … I was, just today, listening to a podcast about vibration and frequency and this NDEr talked about how all we need to do to raise our frequency is to just disconnect with lower frequency. Since we all are high frequency being inherently. And how we do that, is by not identifying with our body and all that comes with it … so ego, thoughts, emotions and bodily sensations. Because that’s not what we truly are. When you get tired of the drama … just remind yourself that’s not who you are … that’s a story created by your ego and everything that comes with it. Meditation is the best way to unidentify with all that we aren’t and connect with peace and just naturally reach the high frequency that is inherently us
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This is the answer ^
And well, what Lanos said to clarify as well.
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I have a meditation technique I can share that is a bit unorthodox but I do think overtime can help anyone be able to effectively meditate no matter their skill level.
I just know how difficult it is to meditate. It really feels helpless sometimes when you constantly try and your ego just won’t give you any peace.
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