Does Ascension destroy the ego and give inner peace?

[Bronyraur]

@Atreides

It never destroyed my ego, and I personally don’t even think that would be a good thing. I don’t think the ego is bad. An imbalanced ego is bad. A bad ego is bad. An ego isn’t bad. A bad superego is bad. Superego’s are good. Same thing with id probably but I don’t know much about ids.

As also Psynergy has recently said, no need to kill any of these indeed (despite the transitory deaths involved). The aim is more like… Play-Doh lol.

[Atreides]

I could cancel my work-out schedule.

[Bronyraur]

I could too but now that @IAmJonathan has written the ultimate work-out 101… I’ve decided to honor him :))

[uial]

Here’s a related post by @_OM.

@_OM

When I speak of “3 year olds”, I’m basically speaking of one’s ego. Because that’s what every ego acts like, a 3 year old, or an untrained puppy.

It’s good to see the ego as an untrained puppy that simply needs to be trained properly. It’s gonna act out, and want what it wants, and piss over the rug when scared, and eat your shoes out of lonliness/anger/boredom, etc. And bark at the any sound for no reason, etc.

That’s a healthier way to view it than trying to “kill” it or “starve it out” until it dies
It’s the modern equivalent to the Zen ox herding picture koans. We just don’t use ox like they did back then, so some of the meaning is lost in time.
But one can easily see than an ox is a very stubborn, hard to train animal.
Yet once it’s trained properly, it can let one accomplish great tasks that one couldn’t do without it.
Same with the ego.

And an ox herding picture koan:

@_OM

@Sam_S

which keeps jumping and throw the shit out of me from its back

interesting metaphor…

[spoiler]Been waiting to post this[/spoiler]

You might also find the excellent thread below of interest if you’ve not yet read it.

Anyone wear the ascension tag

Just wondering if anyone has this one, and how their experience with it was. I’m honestly thinking about buying this. But I don’t want to dump 200 dollars on this if it doesn’t work well.

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@Bronyraur

You’ve surely already read this one, since there’s a comment from you under it. One of the most meaningful posts of all times for me and including clues related to your questions. I’m rereading it from time to time and always catching a new valuable detail at each read.

@Bronyraur

But no problem. That post is one of those that we can abuse of :)

[lol]

Thanks!

[psynergy]

@Bronyraur

@Atreides

It never destroyed my ego, and I personally don’t even think that would be a good thing. I don’t think the ego is bad. An imbalanced ego is bad. A bad ego is bad. An ego isn’t bad. A bad superego is bad. Superego’s are good. Same thing with id probably but I don’t know much about ids.

As also Psynergy has recently said, no need to kill any of these indeed (despite the transitory deaths involved). The aim is more like… Play-Doh lol.

thank you! yeah, i don’t know what everyone’s definition of ‘ego’ is but i just define it as a ‘collection of beliefs’. definitely correct me if i have a differing idea of what ‘ego’ is.

but everyone has a collection of beliefs that are harmful or helpful or a mix of both.

all i care about is having helpful beliefs and being around others who have helpful beliefs.

i don’t need to turn off that whole aspect of my humanity.

[_OM]

Sorry @psynergy, this is for everyone…not just you, so please don’t take too much offense.

Who Cares About the Ego? I Just Want to be Happy!

@psynergy

i don’t need to turn off that whole aspect of my humanity.

That’s the Ego talking…

@psynergy

all i care about is having helpful beliefs and being around others who have helpful beliefs.

The only way to have completely “helpful” beliefs is to “RESET” the Ego “programming” completely.
And the only way to be around “others” who only have helpful beliefs is to “RESET” the Ego programming and decide move on to other planes with others who have done the same.

Using a familiar analogy…

YOU, the REAL YOU, are the computer…the hardware…
The Ego is literally software programming with all kinds of viruses, back door exploits, malware, ransomware, and all kinds of nasty things in it.

The most nasty programming it/the Ego has installed is a ransomware program that has convinced you(everyone) that if you uninstall the program, your computer will die.
Or that you will not be 'you" in some way…
or the infinite other “exploits” and faulty reasonings to convince you to not remove the software
and simply REINSTALL A FRESH CLEAN COPY.

You can literally be on this Earth with a clean fresh copy with the “programming”,“beliefs”, “thoughts”, “feelings”, “attitudes”
that YOU have programmed fresh…clean…
NOT from one’s parents…
NOT from society…
by you and only you…

THAT’S Enlightenment…
THAT’S “Ego death” (or rainbow bunnies and butterfly reconditioning or whatever term makes one happy)

The “Ego” Before Freud…

@psynergy

i don’t know what everyone’s definition of ‘ego’ is

So seems alot of people seem to have an issue with the word “Ego”…
It’s the CONCEPT of the ego that matters.

Plato was talking about the “ego” all the way beck when he told the Allegory of the Cave.

The people watching the “shadow movies” in the cave who think it’s real are the masses who don’t even REALIZE yet, that their Ego is the problem and showing them a 4th hand version of Reality.

Again, the Zen OX Herding pictures were talking about the concept of the “Ego” well before Freud decided to add his “spin” on the word.

Again, here the CONCEPT of the Ego is the bull.
Just like Plato, the Bull doesn’t even appear in the first few frames indicating that most people do not even understand what the “problem” is to begin with.

The Images

I. The Search for the Bull

II. Discovering the Footprints

III. Perceiving the Bull

IV. Catching the Bull

V. Taming the Bull

VI. Riding the Bull Home

VII. The Bull Transcended

VIII. Both Bull and Self Transcended

IX. Reaching the Source.

X. In the World

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As I’ve talked about in other posts, and is thoroughly explained in my recommending reading list,
however one wants to “label” the Ego doesn’t matter.
Some have you used the term “Separate Self”…
Old Buddhist and Zen writings often referred to it as the small self (with a lower case s) as opposed to the Self (with an uppercase S) or what many call the Higher Self nowadays.

The words DO NOT CHANGE the concept of the thing.

“Ego Death” and How Killing Things Is Bad…?

Again, whether one wants to call it “training” or “killing” or “destroying” or “uprooting” or whatever rainbow flowering word instead, does NOT change how the Ego reacts to one consciously trying to “regain control” of it.

It feels like “death” to the Ego… in fact, it’s the only real “death” one ever experiences.
People’s fear of “physical” death is ultimately just a extension of the Ego’s fear of losing it’s control of the “computer hardware” known as the REAL you.

So yeah, your “Ego”, especially if one is identifying with it as who and what you are, is going to make ALL KINDS of excuses and issues over the “word” choice or how it needs to survive
ie
“Enlightenment isn’t my goal”
“I don’t like the term killing the ego”
“I just want a healthy Ego…”

They are one of the multitude of “tricks” the Ego has at it’s disposal (as it has complete knowledge of ones’ fears, desires, etc) to convince you to let it stay in control.

Numerous movies have depicted this issue in a multitude of ways.

• The Matrix,
• 2001 Space Odyssey
• Lawnmower Man
• Any movie where a “robot”/created beast that was built to serve, but ultimately takes over and becomes a greedy power hungry tyrant where the “hero” has to “unplug” it to regain control and return it to it’s original purpose.
• Any story with a “Christ” storyline where the originally selfish and reluctant Hero has to learn unconditional/unselfish love which is demonstrated by DYING (aka death of the selfish Ego) only to be “reborn” again in some manner as a stronger, IN CONTROL OF THEIR OWN LIFE, self.

THIS is the storyline that this “Star” Being (aka the Sun) has written for this Solar System.
It’s the “game” it chose.
And like any RPG game, there can be infinite ways to play it but the MAIN PLOT POINTS of the game have to be accomplished to “win” the game.

[psynergy]

@_OM

Sorry @psynergy, this is for everyone…not just you, so please don’t take too much offense.

@psynergy

i don’t need to turn off that whole aspect of my humanity.

That’s the Ego talking…

zero need to apologize, friend! i sincerely enjoyed your explanations. i didn’t feel any ‘negative’ feelings towards anything you said and felt compassion and empathy come through.

@_OM

THIS is the storyline that this “Star” Being (aka the Sun) has written for this Solar System.
It’s the “game” it chose.
And like any RPG game, there can be infinite ways to play it but the MAIN PLOT POINTS of the game have to be accomplished to “win” the game.

now you’re talking my language!

overall, you’ve helped me decide on my next course of action with my morphic field audio playlist.

cheers!

[IAmJonathan]

:’)

I’m real happy to read this! I’m glad you’re going hard Bronyraur, don’t stop!

[uial]

Thank you, @_OM!

I’ve been looking forward to ‘the “ego” concept post’ you’d eventually write for everyone.

[lol]

If you are wearing ascension tag, how long would it take to reach enlightenment?

[uial]

@lol

If you are wearing ascension tag, how long would it take to reach enlightenment?

You might find these related posts by @Maoshan_Wanderer, @_OM and Sammy of help.

@Maoshan_Wanderer

As @_OM pointed out elsewhere, Vibration of Creation was an extension of the original OM field. If I understand you right, you are basically asking for an Enlightenment field? I don’t think there is such a field currently, but if one uses Vibration Fields and puts in the needed work, probably Enlightenment is a possibility (I am specifically not using the term Ascension here because ascension is not necessarily enlightenment).

@NineTailFox17

Sammy g when will detachment accrue with ascension tag

@SammyG

When? When is subjective to the person. We’re all at different points of development, some with more attachment than others… also some with more willingness to let go.

Something this field does is that it forces you to meet face to face with what is keeping you from moving forward. The weight that is keeping you attached. That is different for everyone… might be some bad habits. Might be some some pent up energies you have within deriving from trauma. These lower vibrational things within you that keep you low don’t just disappear without a trace. Higher vibrational energy causes lower vibrational energy to rise to the surface and scramble to remain within.

One thing with detachment is that if you don’t meditate and try to remain conscious, your ego will find ways to get the best of you. Even if it gets weaker and lighter, which it will so as long as you listen to the audios or have the field, your conscious mind habitually associates with the ego and will continue to hold onto it…

But even then, you will get to a point, where your ego is so light, that your beingness becomes very light. So you will still get some of the benefits of a high vibration and become very detached in general. It’s possible that the further you go, the more it will just detach anyways.

I wore this for about a year and a half without putting in much spiritual practice when I first discovered this stuff. I had gotten to this point where I felt pretty detached from life and so light, that I felt like a floating feather. It was interesting too how certain life events forced me to make certain decisions I did not want to make like at that time, I became vegetarian which… was because of a stomach issue I had. Anyways, I also became super sensitive but I was never in control. I was just a passenger in this body. I began to realize I wouldn’t be able to go further unless I learned to remain conscious in the present. There are some things I don’t think fields could ever do for you.

Becoming conscious in the present is something you have to consciously do because it requires your conscious willpower to accomplish. You have to try to do it. Be conscious of your breath, of what’s happening right now. Pay attention to the now. The ego will keep trying to pull you out but the more you choose to go back to the present, the more the ego will lose its grip and then slip away from having control. Having ascension will actually make this process easier because your mind is already naturally becoming more slippery due to it becoming more light so remaining present will get easier.

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@NineTailFox17

How u reach high level I have ascension tag I just don’t exactly know wat to do

@SammyG

Meditate. Meditate. Meditate. While raising your vibration, your ego will become more aggressive and push hard to maintain its control over your consciousness. It’s relatively easy for it to do so if you don’t observe your mind objectively. Your ego has had a hold on your consciousness for your entire life and it will boa constrict you with ease if you don’t learn to silence it.

If you just wear the item and wait for your mind to become free, it will take a much longer time for the detachment to occur.

Also some things of note… eating meat will slow down the raising of your vibration (you can still raise your vibration with meat, just will be slowed down a little more). Substances like alcohol are low vibrational. Drug addictions, sex addictions, self hatred, hatred of others and all those kinds of things keep your vibration low. When you have the ascension tag, you will be forced to deal with these things. If you don’t, you’ll remain low.

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• Sammyg speaks … A collection of Posts

@Maoshan_Wanderer

Vibration of Creation and Divine Love

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@_OM

Yes, exactly, penetrating Intelligent Infinity is Ra’s way of saying “Enlightenment” and/or what other traditions would call the various states (not stages of Satori) ie. various degrees of “partial” enlightenment that do not “last” ie permanent states of LoC 600+

Right now, easiest way to reach this, is the aforementioned Zivorad Slavnisky techniques I’ve mentioned elsewhere.

Rest assured, Dreamy and I have been working on a way to “get there” with a field… See the Vibrations collection…

But as I said about other similar “requests”, pretty sure the Universe would “teleport” that field into a different dimension immediately (or worse/better) Dreamy would die/reach full enlightenment upon initial completion and no one would ever know it was created.

Some things simply don’t have a full “shortcut”.
Even ff one’s able to find that type of shortcut, I have a strong feeling, one is sent back to do it the “right” way… like cheating on a final exam without understanding the material.

Like I said, right now, Zivorad’s stuff will allow you to “penetrate Intelligent Infinity” …even at will, but you do have to “come back down” and work on the other stuff that needs to be worked on.

[anon17734191]

You need ascension tag maan…

[lol]

I agree imo. It seems the best honestly. Spiritual development should not be delayed.

[Starlight]

@_OM I somehow stumbled on to this thread and have a simple question if I’m understanding your answers correctly.

@_OM

THIS is the storyline that this “Star” Being (aka the Sun) has written for this Solar System.
It’s the “game” it chose.
And like any RPG game, there can be infinite ways to play it but the MAIN PLOT POINTS of the game have to be accomplished to “win” the game.

Are you saying that our WHOLE point of existence in this lifetime is to transcend (add any other word here) our Ego? This is the game?

[_OM]

@Starlight

Are you saying that our WHOLE point of existence in this lifetime is to transcend (add any other word here) our Ego? This is the game?

Ha! You setting me up to trigger a whole bunch of people?

@Starlight

WHOLE

I’m not saying WHOLE anything … that feels too black and white and as you know…that becomes another duality that would need to be transcended.

I’m saying for THIS part of the game… (guys…there are SOOOO many other games out there to be played) transcending one’s ego UNLOCKS allllll those OTHER games out there to be played.

And before people freak out over this idea…
Buddhism, which has been around a looong time, has described 31 planes of existence.
Humans are at level 5 of 31…
Contemplate how much OTHER game play is out there…
(Other philosophies will describe it in different ways with different numbers of “levels” but it’s still the same concept)

[Starlight]

@_OM hahah… not trying to trigger anyone. Just trying to find answers for myself.

@_OM

I’m saying for THIS part of the game… (guys…there are SOOOO many other games out there to be played) transcending one’s ego UNLOCKS allllll those OTHER games out there to be played.

Oh wow…really? I didn’t know that. So, this is part of the reincarnation process…the cycles you spoke about elsewhere on this forum? As you clear up one part, you move to the next plane of existence in your next lifetime and work on clearing up the next piece?

I found this wikipedia article that speaks about the 31 planes of existence.

Are these planes / games which you are speaking about?

[_OM]

@Starlight

I found this wikipedia article that speaks about the 31 planes of existence.

Are these planes / games which you are speaking about?

That article adequately describes the Buddhist concepts of the 31 planes…yes.

@Starlight

So, this is part of the reincarnation process…the cycles you spoke about elsewhere on this forum?

To be clear as I sense some confusion…

Enlightenment (aka Transcending one’s ego/ego “death”) breaks the reincarnation process aka the wheel of karma aka being reborn into plane(s) of suffering.

And pointing to one of your other questions in another thread.
Enlightenment = TRUE Free Will.

[Starlight]

@_OM Yeah, I am confused here then.

From what you’ve written, If I’ve transcended my Ego then would that mean I won’t need to be reborn into any of the 31 planes then…?

When you say the below, which games are you speaking of?

@_OM

transcending one’s ego UNLOCKS allllll those OTHER games out there to be played.

[_OM]

@Starlight

If I’ve transcended my Ego then would that mean I won’t need to be reborn into any of the 31 planes then…?

Whew! Somebody’s Conceptual Realizations has kicked already! Nice.

Yes that’s exactly correct!
See this post here tho…

@_OM

Ahhh.
Then you are “sovereign” (believe it was you that was using this word)
You have true free will.
You are free to move about the Universe as you please…
Start your own universe if you want…
Restart the "game’ and play again…
Return to “Source” and just “chill” for a few billion years…
Whatever it is you choose to do.

**(Note if you choose to play some other version of the “game” you do have to follow the rules of that version of the game… but you also know that you are playing the game, and not “trapped” …ie assuming the game is “real” and there’s no escape.)

So again, you have TRUE free will to play or not play this game or other games.
Also remember, these other planes of existence are exponentially more peaceful and loving if you DO decide you would still like to keep playing.