Does Ascension destroy the ego and give inner peace?

lol · November 23, 2020, 3:25pm

Does the ascension tag help me weaken my desires, limit my ego, and help me enter a state of peace? Does it help give one a sense of “acceptance” or “peace”?

Bronyraur · November 24, 2020, 10:54pm

Hi again @lol,

You’ve surely already read this one, since there’s a comment from you under it. One of the most meaningful posts of all times for me and including clues related to your questions. I’m rereading it from time to time and always catching a new valuable detail at each read.

Best wishes to its writer, by the way. And to you too Lol :)

Don't want to be party breaker but

But more often than not, it’s the ego/subconscious’s resistance to change that causes a ‘lack’ of effect.

I’d like to share a story with you guys. Of when I was in that same predicament many years ago when I wouldn’t really feel anything and doubted this stuff. It’s going to be a long one but I feel like it might be able to bring some clarity with those struggling.

I was in a dark, dark period too for a number of years in my life so I get it. And to be honest, it was so difficult to get out of it. Pushing past this gigantic weight that is pressing upon me all the time. Get up to just get pushed back down. And to practically be possessed by a pattern of negative thoughts that just don’t let up. I tried what felt like an endless amount of times hard to lift myself out of that state but… I’d always fail and fall back to my bad habits. It’s literally like a force pushing down on you. And through all that pain, I’d always resort to smoking weed. It was my only release but depending on that release would only dig the pain until it would rise again in my sobriety.

I guess a good question would be… what was my problem? I was extremely selfish, extremely insecure (virgo perfectionism is beyond annoying lol), porn/sex addict (with the few women I ended up with at least), weed addict, impulsive as hell, would do illegal things (misdemeanor) and a host of other things. I come from a good family too so I put my mom through a lot and didn’t treat her so well. sigh All in all, I was always very critical of myself so I hated this version of myself. I didn’t like who I was, didn’t like how I looked… I didn’t like being me.

So I tried to change. I really did. Tried all sorts of things.

Did pavlovs dog conditioning on myself by punishing bad behavior and rewarding good behavior… that didn’t’ work lol. Did guided meditations. Didn’t work. Did hypnotherapy but that didn’t work. Read Robert Anton Wilson’s ‘Prometheus Rising’ and it was extremely logical and did a great job of opening my mind to magick. So I ended up resorting to magick because I was desperate. Keep in mind, I wasn’t energy sensitive at all these days and my mind was still very skeptical of these kinds of things. But desperate times, desperate measures.

I ran into xtrememind… didn’t fully work for me but I’d get glimpses of energy and certain things happening so it made me believe it was for real. The Xtrememind forum at the time was also very awesome and full of knowledgeable people in those days that had improved their lives and… they gave me hope I could change mine. Joey Plazo is a good dude btw. Got lots of respect for him.

Ran into dreamweaver in the forum and everyone talking about how well his stuff works. I paid for some energy work from him (kundalini work) and I actually felt energy rushing through my back when he did it. It genuinely blew my mind. At that point I thought he was the real deal and not bsing me. Ran into the sapienmed youtube channel and saw the early audios. I listened to testosterone and that definitely worked for me. Made me overly horny and uncomfortable though.

Other audios though… didn’t feel a thing. I would begin listen to subconscious limits and negative energy removal every 2 to three days (was terrible at remaining consistent) and while I didn’t feel anything although sometimes I would feel a little more clear headed afterwards. And I thought, well its working for all these people in the comments, so it should work for me too right?

But I would also often think when I’d get clearheaded, this is probably placebo effect. Being a hard skeptic, I can’t help but doubt myself and these sorts of things all the time… I wasn’t getting the results I was looking for and I was getting impatient.

And so I was going through this perpetual cycle of getting hopeful because I found something that might actually work but… then falling right back into the same repeating cycle of negative thoughts and bad habits and then… hopelessness. My ego really did everything in its will to keep me where I was. But I didn’t allow myself to give up once again and just still kept pushing and listening to audios (negative energy removal, subconscious limits, later on positive energy for environment). I mean… that’s easy right? Just listening to the audios.

I didn’t know if it was helping but I felt like something was happening. I was beginning to get more clearheaded over the months. But I wanted more. I needed something powerful to push me past all this crap I was holding within. So I bought the ascension and chakra growth field from dream’s old store. To be honest, didn’t feel much of anything from the chakra growth. But the ascension field… I would hold that field for a while… I’d actually feel energy pulsating. But…

Didn’t’ really get much results from it at first. Just kept running into the same problems but just at a higher frequency than before. I figured it was my ego fighting back but… it’s not like I felt I was making any progress. But still I held on to it and always carried that field and chakra growth. (Ascension field did grant me a very powerful ego death experience at one point that I wrote about in dreammagick forum, which helped me come more in terms with all this actually… being true)

Anyways, I kept pushing myself. Kept listening to the audios not missing a day and without thought of them working or not. Kept working out as well. Reading books to better myself. Living life and doing what I got to do. Ended up cutting weed from my life. Slowly but surely I was pushing out a lot of the bad habits I used to have. That all did not happen right away.

It all took a lot of time. And sometimes, I would think I’d get rid of a bad habit and return right back to it. But I never forgot my goal and just kept with it. No expectation. Listen to the audios everyday. Wear my ascension and chakra growth pendant. Slowly but surely I was cutting a lot of my bad habits and growing in many different ways. Feeling less limited by my thoughts… slowly it happened. Like walking up an extremely steep mountain, one step at a time.

Beautiful part about it was I wasn’t giving up. I felt a force pushing me forward. I kept through with all these things. And I had a ton of realizations and experiences in between that’s all too much to share and overly personal. But these events all collectively helped clear a lot of my baggage and make me feel more positive and confident. Then it’d be like months or a year later and I’d think ‘Wow, this field worked!’

I still remember it like it was yesterday. I used to be extremely opinionated and arrogant like I was always right but slowly shifted out of that mindset. Then one day, I find myself seeing things from two points of view and I’m like woah… I never used to be able to do this. And I start playing around with my mind and feeling I had so much more freedom than I did before my thoughts. And then it hits me… ‘subconscious limits dissolver!’ Then another time, I just realized I wasn’t feeling so negative and down all the time and was waking up in a positive mood…. everyday. It then just hit me that ‘positive energy for the environment’ and ‘negative energy removal.’ This energy had become natural to me.

Interestingly enough, with ascension, I got to the point where meat tasted nasty to me and I just ended up going vegetarian. And a host of other things. And over time, I also grew to be much more energy sensitive (chakra growth and ascension in the mix).

It was all a gradual process and it wasn’t something I noticed on a day to day basis. The fields worked. They were a force moving my body, spirit and will in a certain direction through which I went through the right set of experiences to actualize such changes. The background energy the fields emit served as the catalyst for change but me making the effort to change was most important ingredient in the process of self transformation.

The biggest thing though was… never giving up. No matter how much I doubted this stuff in the beginning… I would just listen to the audios or wear the fields anyways. The fields will overtake your current pattern over time. It’s a repetitive energy and no matter how much your ego fights back, that old pattern can’t fight against this new repetitive pattern forever unless you just give it up because ‘it’s not working.’ Your current patterns are morphic fields in themselves and also developed and became as solid as they are over a long period of repetition.

My growth happened over a number of years. It was a long climb up but I wouldn’t trade any of it. I wouldn’t be as open and awesome as I am today if it weren’t that period of darkness. I learned so much from it and those kinds of experiences give me so much more perspective on things. I’m still in the journey and have some things I could work on. I’m not perfect nor will I ever be but I’m happy with who I am and I enjoy being me. That’s all I wanted throughout those years. And I know what it’s like to not feel that way so I empathize very dearly with those who are going through it.

That’s partly why we created this forum. So you guys don’t have to go through it alone. And some of the fields we have out today…. are an incredible resource to help you all on your climb up. Ego dissolution is a treasure as is Amygdala healing. I’m using them to clear some of the hidden baggage I got left in me. I’m going to create a thread of a great ego dissolution meditation me and dream have been doing lately that is easy to do and can help with deconditioning the mind.

As for fields today for me… Fields are as clear as the light of the sun to me. They feel organic and work rapidly for me. It now confuses me when others can’t feel them, especially the new powerful ones lol. But then I remember when I was there too and didn’t feel a thing. So I get the doubt. I get why you’d call us charlatan. All I can say to that is… persistence is key. And keep your head up. We’re all here for you

Atreides · November 24, 2020, 11:00pm

I don’t know man. It just made me nicer. Kinder with my output, more tolerant with people’s input. Oh and it amped up my Chakra tag results a ton. But I talked about that elsewhere. It never destroyed my ego, and I personally don’t even think that would be a good thing. I don’t think the ego is bad. An imbalanced ego is bad. A bad ego is bad. An ego isn’t bad. A bad superego is bad. Superego’s are good. Same thing with id probably but I don’t know much about ids.

It changed my ego. You could say it softened it up a bit or made it less agitated, less overactive is probably the best way to put it.

Bronyraur · November 24, 2020, 11:01pm

Ooops, I’ve just noticed that Maoshan Wanderer has already posted it to you recently, in your “reassurance” question thread @lol

But no problem. That post is one of those that we can abuse of :)

Bronyraur · November 24, 2020, 11:06pm

As also Psynergy has recently said, no need to kill any of these indeed (despite the transitory deaths involved). The aim is more like… Play-Doh lol.

Atreides · November 24, 2020, 11:06pm

I could cancel my work-out schedule.

Bronyraur · November 24, 2020, 11:08pm

I could too but now that @IAmJonathan has written the ultimate work-out 101… I’ve decided to honor him :))

uial · November 25, 2020, 1:22am

Here’s a related post by @_OM.

Why You Should Stop Boosting Fields

When I speak of “3 year olds”, I’m basically speaking of one’s ego. Because that’s what every ego acts like, a 3 year old, or an untrained puppy.

It’s good to see the ego as an untrained puppy that simply needs to be trained properly. It’s gonna act out, and want what it wants, and piss over the rug when scared, and eat your shoes out of lonliness/anger/boredom, etc. And bark at the any sound for no reason, etc.

That’s a healthier way to view it than trying to “kill” it or “starve it out” until it dies
It’s the modern equivalent to the Zen ox herding picture koans. We just don’t use ox like they did back then, so some of the meaning is lost in time.
But one can easily see than an ox is a very stubborn, hard to train animal.
Yet once it’s trained properly, it can let one accomplish great tasks that one couldn’t do without it.
Same with the ego.

And an ox herding picture koan:

You might also find the excellent thread below of interest if you’ve not yet read it.

lol · November 25, 2020, 1:18am

Thanks!

psynergy · November 25, 2020, 2:43am

thank you! yeah, i don’t know what everyone’s definition of ‘ego’ is but i just define it as a ‘collection of beliefs’. definitely correct me if i have a differing idea of what ‘ego’ is.

but everyone has a collection of beliefs that are harmful or helpful or a mix of both.

all i care about is having helpful beliefs and being around others who have helpful beliefs.

i don’t need to turn off that whole aspect of my humanity.

_OM · November 25, 2020, 6:17am

Sorry @psynergy, this is for everyone…not just you, so please don’t take too much offense.

Who Cares About the Ego? I Just Want to be Happy!

That’s the Ego talking…

The only way to have completely “helpful” beliefs is to “RESET” the Ego “programming” completely.
And the only way to be around “others” who only have helpful beliefs is to “RESET” the Ego programming and decide move on to other planes with others who have done the same.

Using a familiar analogy…

YOU, the REAL YOU, are the computer…the hardware…
The Ego is literally software programming with all kinds of viruses, back door exploits, malware, ransomware, and all kinds of nasty things in it.

The most nasty programming it/the Ego has installed is a ransomware program that has convinced you(everyone) that if you uninstall the program, your computer will die.
Or that you will not be 'you" in some way…
or the infinite other “exploits” and faulty reasonings to convince you to not remove the software
and simply REINSTALL A FRESH CLEAN COPY.

You can literally be on this Earth with a clean fresh copy with the “programming”,“beliefs”, “thoughts”, “feelings”, “attitudes”
that YOU have programmed fresh…clean…
NOT from one’s parents…
NOT from society…
by you and only you…

THAT’S Enlightenment…
THAT’S “Ego death” (or rainbow bunnies and butterfly reconditioning or whatever term makes one happy)

The “Ego” Before Freud…

So seems alot of people seem to have an issue with the word “Ego”…
It’s the CONCEPT of the ego that matters.

Plato was talking about the “ego” all the way beck when he told the Allegory of the Cave.

The people watching the “shadow movies” in the cave who think it’s real are the masses who don’t even REALIZE yet, that their Ego is the problem and showing them a 4th hand version of Reality.

Again, the Zen OX Herding pictures were talking about the concept of the “Ego” well before Freud decided to add his “spin” on the word.

Again, here the CONCEPT of the Ego is the bull.
Just like Plato, the Bull doesn’t even appear in the first few frames indicating that most people do not even understand what the “problem” is to begin with.

The Images

I. The Search for the Bull

II. Discovering the Footprints

III. Perceiving the Bull

IV. Catching the Bull

V. Taming the Bull

VI. Riding the Bull Home

VII. The Bull Transcended

VIII. Both Bull and Self Transcended

IX. Reaching the Source.

X. In the World

As I’ve talked about in other posts, and is thoroughly explained in my recommending reading list,
however one wants to “label” the Ego doesn’t matter.
Some have you used the term “Separate Self”…
Old Buddhist and Zen writings often referred to it as the small self (with a lower case s) as opposed to the Self (with an uppercase S) or what many call the Higher Self nowadays.

The words DO NOT CHANGE the concept of the thing.

“Ego Death” and How Killing Things Is Bad…?

Again, whether one wants to call it “training” or “killing” or “destroying” or “uprooting” or whatever rainbow flowering word instead, does NOT change how the Ego reacts to one consciously trying to “regain control” of it.

It feels like “death” to the Ego… in fact, it’s the only real “death” one ever experiences.
People’s fear of “physical” death is ultimately just a extension of the Ego’s fear of losing it’s control of the “computer hardware” known as the REAL you.

So yeah, your “Ego”, especially if one is identifying with it as who and what you are, is going to make ALL KINDS of excuses and issues over the “word” choice or how it needs to survive
ie
“Enlightenment isn’t my goal”
“I don’t like the term killing the ego”
“I just want a healthy Ego…”

They are one of the multitude of “tricks” the Ego has at it’s disposal (as it has complete knowledge of ones’ fears, desires, etc) to convince you to let it stay in control.

Numerous movies have depicted this issue in a multitude of ways.

The Matrix,
2001 Space Odyssey
Lawnmower Man
Any movie where a “robot”/created beast that was built to serve, but ultimately takes over and becomes a greedy power hungry tyrant where the “hero” has to “unplug” it to regain control and return it to it’s original purpose.
Any story with a “Christ” storyline where the originally selfish and reluctant Hero has to learn unconditional/unselfish love which is demonstrated by DYING (aka death of the selfish Ego) only to be “reborn” again in some manner as a stronger, IN CONTROL OF THEIR OWN LIFE, self.

THIS is the storyline that this “Star” Being (aka the Sun) has written for this Solar System.
It’s the “game” it chose.
And like any RPG game, there can be infinite ways to play it but the MAIN PLOT POINTS of the game have to be accomplished to “win” the game.

psynergy · November 25, 2020, 4:23am

zero need to apologize, friend! i sincerely enjoyed your explanations. i didn’t feel any ‘negative’ feelings towards anything you said and felt compassion and empathy come through.

now you’re talking my language!

overall, you’ve helped me decide on my next course of action with my morphic field audio playlist.

cheers!

IAmJonathan · November 25, 2020, 4:59am

:’)

I’m real happy to read this! I’m glad you’re going hard Bronyraur, don’t stop!

uial · November 25, 2020, 5:11am

Thank you, @_OM!

I’ve been looking forward to ‘the “ego” concept post’ you’d eventually write for everyone.

lol · November 27, 2020, 1:41pm

If you are wearing ascension tag, how long would it take to reach enlightenment?

uial · November 27, 2020, 2:20pm

You might find these related posts by @Maoshan_Wanderer, @_OM and Sammy of help.

New Release - Vibration of Divine Love

When? When is subjective to the person. We’re all at different points of development, some with more attachment than others… also some with more willingness to let go.

Something this field does is that it forces you to meet face to face with what is keeping you from moving forward. The weight that is keeping you attached. That is different for everyone… might be some bad habits. Might be some some pent up energies you have within deriving from trauma. These lower vibrational things within you that keep you low don’t just disappear without a trace. Higher vibrational energy causes lower vibrational energy to rise to the surface and scramble to remain within.

One thing with detachment is that if you don’t meditate and try to remain conscious, your ego will find ways to get the best of you. Even if it gets weaker and lighter, which it will so as long as you listen to the audios or have the field, your conscious mind habitually associates with the ego and will continue to hold onto it…

But even then, you will get to a point, where your ego is so light, that your beingness becomes very light. So you will still get some of the benefits of a high vibration and become very detached in general. It’s possible that the further you go, the more it will just detach anyways.

I wore this for about a year and a half without putting in much spiritual practice when I first discovered this stuff. I had gotten to this point where I felt pretty detached from life and so light, that I felt like a floating feather. It was interesting too how certain life events forced me to make certain decisions I did not want to make like at that time, I became vegetarian which… was because of a stomach issue I had. Anyways, I also became super sensitive but I was never in control. I was just a passenger in this body. I began to realize I wouldn’t be able to go further unless I learned to remain conscious in the present. There are some things I don’t think fields could ever do for you.

Becoming conscious in the present is something you have to consciously do because it requires your conscious willpower to accomplish. You have to try to do it. Be conscious of your breath, of what’s happening right now. Pay attention to the now. The ego will keep trying to pull you out but the more you choose to go back to the present, the more the ego will lose its grip and then slip away from having control. Having ascension will actually make this process easier because your mind is already naturally becoming more slippery due to it becoming more light so remaining present will get easier.

New Release - Vibration of Divine Love

Meditate. Meditate. Meditate. While raising your vibration, your ego will become more aggressive and push hard to maintain its control over your consciousness. It’s relatively easy for it to do so if you don’t observe your mind objectively. Your ego has had a hold on your consciousness for your entire life and it will boa constrict you with ease if you don’t learn to silence it.

If you just wear the item and wait for your mind to become free, it will take a much longer time for the detachment to occur.

Also some things of note… eating meat will slow down the raising of your vibration (you can still raise your vibration with meat, just will be slowed down a little more). Substances like alcohol are low vibrational. Drug addictions, sex addictions, self hatred, hatred of others and all those kinds of things keep your vibration low. When you have the ascension tag, you will be forced to deal with these things. If you don’t, you’ll remain low.

Sammyg speaks … A collection of Posts

Sammyg speaks ... A collection of Posts

Vibration of Creation and Divine Love

Penetrating Intelligent Infinity

Yes, exactly, penetrating Intelligent Infinity is Ra’s way of saying “Enlightenment” and/or what other traditions would call the various states (not stages of Satori) ie. various degrees of “partial” enlightenment that do not “last” ie permanent states of LoC 600+

Right now, easiest way to reach this, is the aforementioned Zivorad Slavnisky techniques I’ve mentioned elsewhere.

Rest assured, Dreamy and I have been working on a way to “get there” with a field… See the Vibrations collection…

But as I said about other similar “requests”, pretty sure the Universe would “teleport” that field into a different dimension immediately (or worse/better) Dreamy would die/reach full enlightenment upon initial completion and no one would ever know it was created.

Some things simply don’t have a full “shortcut”.
Even ff one’s able to find that type of shortcut, I have a strong feeling, one is sent back to do it the “right” way… like cheating on a final exam without understanding the material.

Like I said, right now, Zivorad’s stuff will allow you to “penetrate Intelligent Infinity” …even at will, but you do have to “come back down” and work on the other stuff that needs to be worked on.

anon17734191 · November 27, 2020, 7:42pm

You need ascension tag maan…

lol · November 27, 2020, 7:57pm

I agree imo. It seems the best honestly. Spiritual development should not be delayed.

Starlight · November 30, 2020, 5:57am

@_OM I somehow stumbled on to this thread and have a simple question if I’m understanding your answers correctly.

Are you saying that our WHOLE point of existence in this lifetime is to transcend (add any other word here) our Ego? This is the game?

_OM · November 30, 2020, 6:09am

Ha! You setting me up to trigger a whole bunch of people?

I’m not saying WHOLE anything … that feels too black and white and as you know…that becomes another duality that would need to be transcended.

I’m saying for THIS part of the game… (guys…there are SOOOO many other games out there to be played) transcending one’s ego UNLOCKS allllll those OTHER games out there to be played.

And before people freak out over this idea…
Buddhism, which has been around a looong time, has described 31 planes of existence.
Humans are at level 5 of 31…
Contemplate how much OTHER game play is out there…
(Other philosophies will describe it in different ways with different numbers of “levels” but it’s still the same concept)