AI is at least alright at aggregating things…
I think I’ve finally got some traction with making up my mind about the Ashayana Deane vs JJ Hurtak things.
It’s interesting to see how many groups had emerged and disappeared over the past 15-20 years. Quite a few variations on the Freedom Teachings and quite a few things related to metatron and melchizedek.
I still don’t know what to make of the politics of things. But, at this point, I think I sit more squarely with Hurtak and the Keys of Enoch…
The Kathara grid was interesting with it’s base-12. I thought it and the Lotus of Life were cool. They still are cool.
But a lot of the propaganda in favor of it was that their group was the only one with 12 dimensions or 15 chakras— not so. Although almost everyone talks about 12 or more chakras these days, it emerged with the 12 rays discussion in the late 80’s that happened with Janet McClure.
And there was negative propaganda in the Keylontic Sciences against both Michael and Metatron—as well as just about every other system on the planet. It accused them of working with a maximum of 11 dimensions. But key “Metatronic” things were working with a base 13.
https://www.scribd.com/document/238213361/AA-Metatron-AlchemyRequisiteof132033CircuitryjamesTyberonn
The Base 13 kind-of lines up with the base-13 cycle of the Mayan calendar and how it avoids the more coarse rounding/abbreviation errors of other calendars (which make a greater use of 12). And it also shows up in some Medieval Kabalistic versions of an extended tree:
12 isn’t a bad number at all, but all the shennanigans in the Keylontic Sciences made me skeptical of it initially. And, looking into the lore of things, I am also seeing that Samael/Satan had been connected with 12 wings… in particular:
Which is interesting food for thought if we consider the Urantia narrative and it’s role in how some of the ideas developed in the KS system.
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The one thing that kept me wondering about the Kathara grid was the discussion about the Metatron Cube being broken as sacred geometry. And, when subject to extended analysis, it is true. The head-on view with everything presented as a perfect symmetry is not in fact true Sacred Geometry:
It has various disconnections that occur, as has been explored in a series of videos on this channel:
So that is a solid criticism of the symmetric glyph. But, that doesn’t actually have anything to do with “metatron” or the energetic geometry. Because energetic structure is held together by the hidden 13 that allows for cyclicity.
Now, to draw that would take a lot more work than to draw the glyph that people commonly use. As can be seen—the full geometry is a lot more extended and complicated:
But that seems to be the thing that correlates to the actual energy structures associated with Metatron:
So, for me, that was a huge quandary since the Keylontic Science had a legitimate criticism of how most people were thinking about the Metatron Cube. But, it appears that their criticism applies only to the symmetric glyph. And is appears that people conflating the glyph with the full Sacred Geometry structure was just a bit of ignorance and marginal mis-attribution. The glyph was a simplified representation rather than full sacred geometry.
And the connection between the 13x20 system and the Mayan Calendar is the icing on the cake for me. My tradition is from the East. But I focused on later taoist sources since they tended to be more direct about how the body works. Once I was established with those dynamics, I could better understand the older works. The older works correlate the human body with the total cosmos as represented in their calendar system. It has a loose correlation to the Kalachakra (wheel of time) calendar system in India that was adopted by Tibet. And it also has correlations to the astrological discussions of alchemy that appear in Robert Fludd and Basil Valentine in Europe. So it completes the pattern that I’ve been seeing in all of the cultures that I’ve studied.
Although it was very interesting and detailed, it’s the kathara grid that is the outlier that doesn’t directly match anything for me. Since I’ve been able to experience all of the other systems directly in my own energy system and body, it’s gonna be the final standard of truth for me.
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You should probably put all these musings in the Journals section. Do you already have a journal thread there @Galactica ?
I feel its too interesting to just be in the random thoughts area
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My thought exactly
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Uhh… Thanks lol.
It was mostly just a random thought, though.
I wanted to get a better understanding of things and I don’t like taking things on faith or rhetorical posturing. In the past, I was leaning in favor of the Keylontic Sciences due to it’s technical focus. But, with more research, I found that there was a lot of misrepresentation of other teachings and groups.
And actually zeroing in on the factual content of things was helping me make up my mind.
There are a lot of ways the discussion could be extended. But I was mostly putting a final statement on my view since I have refined what I think from what I’ve written in the past.
But, if I think of anything that is worth writing then I guess I can put it here.
–Thanks
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Plus more might share in a dedicated thread