Carl Jung is always useful 
Here is something that is related to all of this “men remaining boys and stuck in their projections” – repackeged for the modern meme audience:
Mommy GF Meme Analysis
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thanks for the interesting topic. i have probed something and it seems to work a charm. For men: Use one loop of Vibraion of divine love and after that 3 loops of mstate Copper. I think that heals the woman in a man in very sapieny manner. And is a good start, Of course subconcios limits and new perspectives after also good but as a beginning the above is a perfect combo. >Good luck!
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Thank you sir, I now have an answer for my past cravings of a Women’s love in my life.
Now, I’d like to state my point of view and I could be completely wrong as well.
I think that toxic masculinity arises when the individual has lost connection with it’s feminine essence and the masculine essence far outweighs his feminine essence. In such case, I agree with JAAJ’s solution to accept and integrate the holy female energy.
Now, what about those men in whom their feminine energy outweighs the masculine energy? It’s obvious that they should work on accepting and integrating the holy male energy.
So, according to me, for achieving healthy Masculinity (or Femininity), one should accept and integrate both the Masculine and feminine essence unconditionally. So that the Individual can actually be centered in his true essence.
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Now coming back to this after few days, I think I have a vastly different approach to this concept. All the above ideas and discussions above are very helpful and actually quite deep into human psyche, and emphasising the importance of integrating both Divine Masculinity and Divine Feminity. I agree with these opinions, but I think this is way too far lost of focus.
Now, on this forum where spirituality is the thing, people are very fast to jump into very high level of non-duality. But I suggest to go back to lower realm in which most enlightened beings are not dwelling, ie. the human realm. Masculinity in human realm is one half of the duality, the other being femininity. What I see here is we are talking about integration, where the non-duality makes the distinction of masculinity and femininity invalid. But the proposal here is masculinity, not transcendence of masculinity.
Thus I propose the proper approach is to tackle masculinity itself, taking femininity as its opposite, doing complete separation and accept no integration. Masculinity no-compromise, unmodified. Of course, this means the whole thing will span into a triology to make it whole: masculinity, femininity, non-dualistic sexual alchemy.
Of course, we all search for higher integration. But when there are need of this masculine concept, it already allude to men who are feeling or realizing themselves inadequate in masculinity on this earth in daily lives. Then, why are we eager talking about integration of femininity at higher level?
There is another fatal flaw of the discussion so far. I looked up and down, finding no mention of a very central and crucial aspect of masculinity: Reason, Logic, Analysis, Critique. These binary Rules are what masculinity is about. Here people are embracing intuition and feeling, which I myself also relies heavily upon, but deep in us we know we are very capable and abundant of this gift from Divine Femininity, yet still yearning for the clarity, precision and Order that a man can and should set up.
Another not fundamental but also difficult technicality issue: “healthy masculinity” is a complex concept. Not only do we have to figure out “masculinity” but also we have to understand “healthy” and then synthesize them into “healthy masculinity.” I am not against building a concept of healthy masculinity, but what I see here is we take “healthy=balanced with femininity” for granted, and thus muddle up the purity of masculinity conception itself. And why healthy=balanced with femininity? Can’t “healthy” be a way of expression, but not adding new concept?
Why don’t we first search for masculinity unmodified before searching for healthy masculinity? Find all the things we think are masculine, the good, the bad and the ugly. Attack and protection. Assertion and aggression. Calm and violent. Steadfast and impulsion. All these are masculine, and how do we know one without konwing its near cousin? Or more radical, is it possible only to cherry picking some aspects of masculinity we want and left out those we don’t want but not taking it all down at the stage of conception? Perhaps in the later stage it is possible to do so, but there may be myriad of dependencies that would incur if we choose to go this way.
To sum up, 1. too early to jump into non-duality 2. lack of reason 3. this is a complex concept, are three issues I see in this thread.
I am crude here, and I don’t know how else to say these opinions. Also as a relatively new comer to this forum, I may lack some very basic but important prior knowledge about what community projects are. I am putting forward this is simply because masculinity is the topic that troubles me a lot and I just happen to see here it is a thread about it. Thanks for reading, and any critiqes and feedbacks are welcomed.
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Damn, you nerds turned a community about Masculinity into an esoteric debate.
I gotta give it to the girls, if it was a feminine essence fields, two posts they’d be done right now
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Maybe masculinity is to broad. How about a specific type of masculinity most guys agree is optimal ?
I don’t know about you, but they way I see it “THE MAN” is the one who provides and protects. The leader, the one who’s actions are for the community 
He can be afraid in his gut and want to puke, but he’ll still move forward. The passion and discipline aimed at others.
He acts on principle and will enforce discipline if necessary. Law and order. He’ll fight for it
How is that different than the knight ? There are quite a few subtleties.
His commitment is to his people not ideas. The pragmatism
Isn’t the knight enough ?
Maybe
Lol
If you can’t agree with masculinity, ditch it and go with the father or cowboy archetype instead.
I’m pretty sure sensitive people can feel a manly energy anyway without our need for words.
“Controlled violence” NFT anyone ?
Helps you harness your violent instinct. A healthy relationship with violence makes or break you.
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It’s complicated because of the idea of healthy masculinity: which basically means perfect man. How do you create a perfect man ? You heal everything and if the result is not manly enough you add some (physical body) testosterone, (emotional body) some fire and (mental body) some willpower…
We can’t heal everything in one field so we are going to have to find the weaknesses of men and heal these. Imo they are the root chakra and especially the sacral chakra.
Then you can add more manly stuff.
So we end up with proper root and sacral + overflowing gut chakra (fire) and some mind settings of willpower (and similar variations). You could or could not add physical stuff too such as testosterone and/or pheromones even though these fields already exist but the chakras ones exist too
To not overlap with fields that already exist I would ask for a lower chakras mind settings with an emphasis on “I am a powerful creator”.
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It is indeed too broad. And I can already see your point 
Also by the choices of examples you make.
Your suggestion is again, a very good exercise of pragmatism. Something smaller but managable, but extremely helpful in day to day lives than the overarching big ones.
I can never love you enough.
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No, it is not about that.
We were speaking about integration of the divine feminine side.
Not balancing or watering-down the masculine energy.
When the feminine energy is integrated, it serves as a GROUNDING nurturing base for male energy to grow on top of it – versus being ungrounded and unstable and then wasted into the void before it could ever grow strong.
(In analogy, for women to grow their feminine energy, they need to be grounded in a stabilizing infinite pool of divine masculine energy.)
The “integration of” and “permanent connection with” the divine feminine side is only the first step.
The second step is then, once grounded in this nurturing energy to then grow your masculine energy, which will then automatically express itself as typical masculine character traits that were mentioned above (like willpower, inner strength, confidence, courage etc.).
Those traits cannot be faked (that’s why most pickup-artists are never successful), because these traits are a RESULT OF a strong masculine energy.
They are not the result of trained behavior or mindset alone.
I am sure when we speak about masculinity here, we mostly mean the energetic side. Because on the physical side you are already a male if your physical body has male sexual reproductive parts.
And I don’t think modern men have a problem being rational and logic, because even the most soy boy dude will show logic and rationale when sorting his porn collection in his mom’s basement.
If logic alone would make you masculine and attract women, most dudes would have harems.
While we can in most cases make a clear distinction of masculine and feminine when it comes to the physical body, energetically wise it is more complex as both genders have both energies in them.
I see what you mean, but that is only half of the equation.
You see, men protect and provide all the time and are being ripped-off because they are still mama’s boys.
Protecting and providing itself does not make you masculine or sexually attractive to women.
Protecting and providing is what our weak governments already do.
When you protect and provide as a man you will only attract women, who are longing for these roles and who have not integrated their own masculine energy in themself, hence they will try to cope and look out for men who can fill this gap.
But those women will not find you sexually attractive because of this, instead you will simply be a coping instrument for them. In the same way, as mentioned above, women serve as a coping instrument for boys to receive mama’s motherly love.
A man can have muscles, be logical, fearless, provide, protect etc. and still be a simp, and thus, turn women off.
Because women will feel through the man’s heart chakra that he is still desperate for motherly love and consider him a boy instead a man.
Being a masculine man is about all about BEING and NOT about DOING.
If you define your masculinity as by being a human-doing instead of a human-being, then the guess what, the world will treat you as such.
When women today say “Where have all the good men gone?”, what they actually mean is “Where are all those men with a strong masculine energy?”.
Nofap and semen retention can give a man a big part of this masculine energy.
But if the man is not grounded in the nurturing divine feminine energy, he will not succeed with this long-term and blow his energy again in search of motherly love.
If it would be all about “provide, protect and be fearless”, then everyone could simply listen to “Knight/Warrior Mindset” and be done.
But this alone will not make you a masculine man, because the masculine energy aspect is missing.
In fact, those knights from the medieval tales where rather full-blown simps, ready to die for a kiss.
Zero self-worth and self-appreciation – a total turn-off for women.
Medieval knights were the “provider and protector” coping instruments for women, in a time where there were no governments that would do the protecting and providing.
So yeah, in my opinion “true masculinity” all comes down to masculine energy.
Energy that is grounded in the integrated nurturing base of the divine female energy.
Yeah, the first four chakras are definitely a big part of a healthy male and female energy. Very underrated aspect. There is a reason why in the description of the Heart Chakra audio, it says that it will make you much more attractive to the opposite gender 
PS:
For those who want to dive deep into female energy grounding, here is a good YT channel, this guy talks in detail about this and explains it from a dating point of view. Also one of his PDFs here.
PPS:
I know that “integrating the feminine energy” etc. at first sounds counter-intuitive, especially if you are a man living in a western society – but all of this is just because you have been brainwashed by media and society of what being male actually means and how being male actually works. I was blind to this myself. Just take the red pill from the matrix movie and keep an open mind.
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Yes it’s most likely just half the answer and your arguments make sense… though is it just a sex thing ?
You guys want to get laid is that it ?
I’m getting fed up with all this attracting women stuff to be honest. At least you didn’t say “alpha”.
Women likes this, women hate this. Simp. Total turn off.
I’m not talking about you directly, but maybe if guys had a trace amount of personality and originality they’d get more girls.
I was thinking about a field to be manly, being manly is not everything. Men don’t have the monopoly on intelligence, integrity or whatever. Sure, some ingredient will be missing to make you a complete human being.
I have the feeling I don’t want to be involved in this.
(Still appreciate your posts in general lol)
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Thanks for your reply and critique. I must say that you are right in your own sense and at the level you are operating. But what I was proposing was the “concept” in dualistic, mudane world. Thus, I think we have vastly different starting point in this issue. Also, “concpet” and “what exists in mudane world” are very different. Does a man who have no fenininity exist? No. Does the concpet of pure masculinity exists? Yes. Does the ideal of apple exists? Yes. Does a perfect apple exists in the world? No.
This is why I said lack of reason and logic is fatal in this thread. The most basic distinction between idea/concept and what actually exists as representation of that idea/concept was not made here in this thread. Plato did this distinction thousands of years ago. I do not see human reason and intelligence deteriorate in its current form. But somehow it’s just not present here.
It was my miscalculate to do involve in esoteric and grand discussions without actually talking about something more pragmatic. From the opinions I see so far, I think this is not going to work out.
Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate your time and attention to this. But I genuinely see no way out from the discussion so far. Thank you again.
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Probably off topic.
Turns out, girls are horny too, they want to Fck too. In this day and age, girls chase guys all the time and there are more girls than boys in the world.
Guys put all this pressure on themselves. Girls are looking for guys too, many of them are lonely too.
I can’t explain it. But there is this “sex starvation” energy coming from guys any place that talks about sex. It’s in the air, it’s awkward.
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How’d you know girls chased me in the past??? What black magic did you use???
lol, I am scared.
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You probably didn’t notice, but I’m sure in your life time, many girls approached you with a soft voice, played with their hair and laughed at everything you said.
Girls approach guys all the time. You just have to see it.
I’d even go as far as to say there is a chance girls approach dudes more than dudes approach girls…
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But personality is nothing inherently masculine.
Even an AI can be programmed to give off some personality.
Personality alone does not make you manly and neither does it cause attraction to the opposite gender.
If personality would be all it takes, computer nerds fall in love with their AI algorithms.
The whole discussion about musclinity necessary requires to also look at femininity since there would be no such a concept as “male” without its counter-concept “female”. It’s like hot and cold – can’t know what the one is, without experience of the other.
So how do you know what is masculine without understanding, knowing and having experienced the feminine?
How do you know what true masculinity looks like, if you don’t know what true femininity looks like?
Both sides needs to be understood to know what it takes to express them.
Do you want to accept the and live in the “mundane world”?
Or are we working on something bigger here, better, more healthy, more holy, more efficient, more fun, more intense?
The name of the project has both of the words in the title: “Healthy” and “Concept”. 
I don’t know what you mean.
This is all highly pragmatic and down to earth.
We are in an esoteric forum here and so far the suggestions above have only touched basic esoteric psychology and some energy body aspects.
Here in more simpler terms what my recommendation looks like to be “Health Masculine Man”:
- Accumulate a ton of Jing.
- If you have a male physical body, this energy will express itself as Yang-Jing, which is the “male energy”.
- If you can accumulate a ton of and hold this Yang-Jing energy, you will be male and masculine in all the possible ways. Including attractive to women.
- To be able to hold and not blow this energy as a cope for various problems (seeking of motherly love, female validation etc.), you need to feel connected and be ground in the unconditional divine feminine energy.
Nothing too esoteric here
Yep. All explained in my original post above.
Those are all symptoms of boys seeking mama’s love and validation.
And yes, those symptoms make men unattractive to women.
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I’m sure you’re right.
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Anyone who dutifully listened to Negentropic Jing have good basics here. And I am sure this forum has lots of people who do this, both men and women. Jing is also important for women.
Yang-Jing 陽精 has many meanings. It can be the Sun, a dragon, or semen or gods in heaven, etc many more. I think the closest in meaning and belief is semen, but none of them refers to the so-called “Male Energy” in English, I think. There is indeed belief that semen is more precious than blood in Chinese traditional medicine, but that still does not equals to male energy.
What if I don’t want to attract women? Why do I have to accumulate a ton of Suns? 
OK, now I should have a harem manifested. And I’m off to enjoy earthly pleasures. 
What if I have a over protective mother who has been choking me to death by her intrusive love?
I am sorry, all this is still very esoteric to me. 
No offence, as I do not seek to refute your opinion on your level. It’s just that we are not on the same “channel” from the very beginnig, I guess.
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