How much Influence did Magick had in History?

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#1

Did it rule(d) Supreme over Kings and Emperors (like, for example, the fact that they didnt even start battles/invasions/wars without divinations or rituals)?

Was it a common theme in Ancient and more recent times?

By magick i mean anything that wasnt part of the official (mostly Christian or other local) traditions, regulations (this only after the advent of Christianity, since magick preceded modern organized religions), etc.

I mostly asked with Europe in mind/from a European point of view, but every part of the World had/has its unique relationship with “magick”.
Feel free to answer from any Era, pov, place or source.
Thank you.

Gonna return later, See Ya.

Edit: for every place, era, people, religion or spiritual tradition, magick meant something else, it is a loose term.

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#3

I was told that’s how we got our king (fun fact, where I live we mostly have jinns or arabic spirits from the time they ruled here…so it could have been a jinn that made our previous king the king).

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#4

In history magic and science were one and the same, it is proven beyond any doubt that Newton was an alchemist through and through, in time both got separated and scientists got arrogant.

In a lecture Terence McKenna talks about how an angel came and told Rene Descartes (as recorded in his diary) to separate number from nature, meaning science should be separated from magic. An entire philosophy was born after his work and science became logical refusing to believe in anything magical and continues to look down upon negentropic fools like all of us :joy:

It will go back to the olden days is what I strongly believe.

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#5

Science can empirically prove energy/aura and stuff made by dream.

It just doesn’t have the technology yet, and it is not interested in investing in such technology because of capitalist reasons.

Most of the technology available for health goes to big pharma industries to push a new drug and get tons of money from it, or image diagnostics for doctors (btw, diagnostic means “word of God”, so you can see how big their ego is at).

So, they invest tons of money on trials until they get the results they want.

No one is going to invest tons of money on technology and trials for energy work or sapien med because they wouldn’t get any money in return.

The same happened with Lacan when he tried to make psychoanalisis a science, and he focused on being a conjectural science (like theoretical physics) rather than a mainstream empirical science (like psychology or biology).

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#6

Yea but current mainstream science removes outliers and refuse to call anyone’s experience as real and instead call them fools or they don’t know, scientists or other scientific people think they should tell others if things we experience are real or not.

But that was not the case till few hundreds of years back, alchemists, magis were all scientists who were exploring the secrets of universe.

In Hermetica there is one line which reads like men of science are in the pursuit of Atum as well and they should not be looked down upon which prevents me to call out the arrogance of scientists and every scientific minded person who has scorn for spiritual and religious people often.

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#7

Yes, science represses Truth, and believes to “own it”.

And us, “scientific societies”, ignore our subjective world because we think it’s not the “Truth” to pursue an hypothetical “objective world” (that does not exist) and that is “divorced from our subjectivity”, and that’s how we came to our current state of mass psychosis, bipolar syndrome and depression, by excluding our own experience from our experience.

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#8

yeah, we exclude ourselves from the ecuation, thats bad/incomplete.

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#9

Bet truth looks at those who think they know and have it in their palms and have a good laugh.

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