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#1

Why do we exist ?

And what if i dont want moksha ? Like i am human after billions of births i get rid of this cycle and get moksha, but after reaching their i dont want it, i dont want to be here, dont want moksha, dont want vaikunth and any such place, dont want to be even any of 3 devas, dont want to be shakti and litreally at the top whatever existsā€¦ where will my atman will be ?

And what if like human body, at that stage their is a stage above atman ? And i dont want that tooā€¦ where will i be ? Who will i be ?

I cried alot while thinking this :sob::sob::sob:

Litreally at 1 am my mind isnt mine, i am not me ? Then who is this who is saying me me me and i and all, who is the speaker ? Atman ? Then what is above that ?

If above atman i am brahma then what is above that and what if i dont want to be that too ?

I asked alot of people this question. Especially on youtube who are real spiritual people. But no response. I hope i atleast get some glimpse of this madness i feel.

Hope CAPTAIN come here and answer like a guru. :pray:šŸ™‡ā€ā™‚.

#2

Hi @SHREE-RAM

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#3

Thanks @Rosechalice .
Without this account, i am not new here :sweat_smile:. I have been gaining alot of knowledge from forum from more a year.
Happy to find this.

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#4

Happy you joined us! :slight_smile:

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#5

Iā€™m sorry if I sound insensitive because this sounds like it is afflicting you terribly.

But, what importance is this? Let it goā€¦ something that helps in meditation is recognizing all thought as just a fleeting stage and process. The end goal is peace and stillness.

In that sense, these thoughts you have are a result of an overactive mind. Take steps to calm the overactiveness and donā€™t pay attention to what the thought is inquiring.

Answers come through stillness, and not through anxiety. I hope you understand.

Fieldsā€¦ the essence of faith and prayer, the essence of mantras. Any that help you get to the core of peace and stillness.

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#6

Yeah like not to worry, i cried at that time because i just felt like, WOW! This whole existenece cannot be real but at the same time it can. And went too deep into the thoughts that reached the thoughts similar to nothingness. And that made me reaslise alot of thingsā€¦

Otherwise, i just learn and ignore and move to sleep :sweat_smile:

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#7

Agreed. Getting lost in the meaning of it all gets you wrapped up back into the illusions of perception. It all justā€¦ is. It isnā€™t one way or another, itā€™s every way and no way at once. Within that frame, is where pure freedom lies. And to tune into that is to let go of the need to identify yourself and reality itself. Just be.

That peace is truth. That peace is where it all makes sense.

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#8

If you want an alternative answer though that is just from my limited perspectiveā€¦

Iā€™d frame it that we exist to expand ourselves. If in essence, we are the universe experiencing itself, then we are the universe expanding itself through every single things unique perspective. So learning, growing, creating, laughing, crying are all valuable experiences that add to the whole of everything. Your existence helps grow the universe in a way. Soā€¦ keep that in mind and allow that to motivate you to push forward and try to be the best that you can be.

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#9

I hear you.

To be honest and give you another perspective on thoughtā€” I rarely indulge thought and have gone through many weird depths of spirituality.

Thought is not the vehicle to understanding spirit, essence and the universe. In an overactive mind, thought is an affliction. In a peaceful mind, itā€™s a means of transmitting (straight forward) communication.

Try to inch yourself away from believing in the importance of thought and embrace whatā€™s in front of you (presence) instead.

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#10

:ok_hand:t4:

#11

Thanks, thats what i think when i make myself overwhelmed from thoughts. That lets just exist and spread high vibrations and expand as much as you can and since i started living like that, my life has changed alot. The most dominand effect i got from that is my manifestations became effortlessā€¦

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#12

Yeah, like existing in the present and feeling it is the most important thing, but its just sometimes you get too hyped about thingsā€¦ and for me its especially the space that is outside the earthā€¦

#13

Hehe. I know, it is exciting. With presence you can experience greater depths outside of the limits of reality

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#14

:100::100:

#15

@SHREE-RAM

I think Moksha is an option, not a requirement.

Youā€™ll just go wherever you are inclined towards.

BG 8.6: Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.
BG 9.5: Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.

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#16

Oh! Then just from a bhakti perspective as you stated for BG 8.6: As gurus says that even if you utter the name your whole lifeā€¦ but at the end time of your life is the most important moment for you to remember him, call him, recite his name, your last words should be of himā€¦ Cz thats the time when you will be surely taken to him without any restrictionsā€¦

#17

To Experience Life.

Thatā€™s fine, itā€™s oneā€™s choice.

Tbh theoretically explaining what Moksha itself takes a long time :slight_smile:

Attaining is secondary question, and a pretty long good journeyā€¦
ā€¦

It is untouched anyways being an experiencer. Again ones choice.

You said where you donā€™t wanna be. So, itā€™s ones choice where/what they want to be.

You can focus on what you need rather what u donā€™t want.

Try to have fun every moment, life is simple in realityā€¦lol

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#18

sort of. AFAIK, the sum of your life will determine that moment for you.

All things beside, I think I know at least a little bit how you feel. At times, life just gets way too heavy and we donā€™t have a solid answer to ā€œwhy?ā€. We expect better outcomes where we donā€™t have to ā€˜sacrificeā€™ from ourselvesā€™ in order to live a more fulfilling life. The teachings of the enlightened seem paradoxical.

Iā€™ve come think it as a limitation of our conditioned minds. We donā€™t know how satisfactory the promised life is, like a blind man who never saw colors, so we speculateā€¦ explore various thought-journeys, cause-and-effect-scenarios, and so on. The seeking of fulfillment is a type of suffering too.

But let me tell you something. This is happening to me more and more recently: I get an insane level of relief and peace whenever I lose myself in the service of others. When I start focusing more on ā€œmy selfā€, I get this invisible weight on me. I donā€™t know if this is the result of the fields Iā€™ve been using recently. Perhaps things have always been this way, but I lacked the perspective to notice it. As to why and how this is the way things are, youā€™ll have to take it to the upper management. :slight_smile: Let me know if you get an answer. At the moment, I canā€™t blame a being who encourages harmony and love within itself.

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#19

Yeah bro! Like i was just wondering that night, that i litreally spent 3 hrs with just this thoughts and how time got passed was like a flashā€¦

And yes like i thought too much ig that nightā€¦ anyways from responses and different-different understandings litreally gave me alot of new knowledgeā€¦ really very happy to be hereā€¦

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#20

Like yesā€¦ i have also experienced that shift in me within last few monthsā€¦ have experienced my real selfā€¦ that unbreakable and unshakeable self who always stays high no matter whatā€¦ but also lose that self cz of i am not able to manage it, really handle it and have completely clear perspective and understanding of itā€¦ but ig i have gotten some clearance that how i can achieve itā€¦ i have realised so so so many things within few months that would take me alot of yearsā€¦ thanks to CAPTAIN for creating such life changing fieldsā€¦

And now i have started feeling something different but no change, i feel different in myself but i dont know what exactly it isā€¦ i know the change, but i cant figure what it is, it makes me feel powerful and sometimes like i feel i lost itā€¦ but its thereā€¦

Apart from all this as soon as i change me perspective towards anything and dont listen to that mind and consiously change every thought, i feel like i can litreally chamge the whole situationā€¦

Also i am doing very best in every aspect of my lifeā€¦ like litreally everything spiritually, mentally, physically, socially and everythingā€¦ but i dont feel satisfied i feel like i am lacking something or when i am at those things i feel like i am going away from somethingā€¦ and ig like i dont really know but i just want to feel that true liberationā€¦ like whenever i do any spiritual practice like mantra chanting, meditation or Hanuman Chalisa, i just feel like i just cant live here on this world i just want to be thereā€¦ like that feeling that so roughly pulls me towards it like it feels like a black hole that pulls everything with massive force, similarly i feel like now on this moment i cant wait anymore i am coming, lolā€¦

And i was thinking that where can i share this, i dont have anyone to share not a guru, not such spiritual friends and family or not a single personā€¦ where should i goā€¦ but finally i found you all šŸ«‚ā€¦
Yeah i have some spiritual friends, they might be reading right nowā€¦ and i thank them tooā€¦