Is social media the antichrist? If so, what shall we do about it?

This was a point of discussion on a podcast recently.
Wanted to ask what’s everyone’s opinion on this?

The idea presented was that as we keep giving away our attention to our devices almost all the time (I made a post about attention recently), we, as spiritual beings, become less and less spiritualized, with the subsequent theory of social media being the Antichrist.

While not overly familiar with the term antichrist, it is easily evident that as people are absorbed non-stop into their devices, it does appear as if basic human niceties like holding a door open or actually listening to a person without clutching a device, are lacking more and more. The most interesting is that people simply let this happen. Or so it seems.

I’ve once seen a person holding their phone and scrolling left and right on their main screen. They appeared not to have the power to put the device away, but at the same time didn’t know what to do with it so just swiped left and right.

I remember this video:

I’ve seen a kid trying to talk to her mother and after repeated attempts she actually slapped her phone out of her hand. It doesn’t need a rocket scientist to figure out that she simply desires attention.

It also does not require a person to be Jesus to exhibit most basic kindness.

It’s definitely a curious trend.
Also considering the implications: less spiritualized equals less and less psychic skills, less empathy, less love, etc.

And people wonder why the rate of depression is so high. Why people feel so lonely.

I can hear @Rosechalice saying EIYPO (everyone is you pushed out). Yes I have been guilty of doom scrolling too. Sometimes it’s fun. Can’t deny it.

Just at some point it gets so boring. It’s the same stuff over and over again. And doom scrolling news is incredibly nasty, just all different agendas hijacking you.

Sounds gloomy but at the same time I know of each and every one’s potential. It’s massive and mostly untapped. I believe that quite strongly in fact.

Secondly, remember this:

(This was him in his 20s btw)

So yeah,
What do you all think of this?

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We seem to be collectively walking down a rather dark path these days. Like, not just a small group of people either. I’d say most of us at this point, because for the most part we’re apathetic to what’s going on and just… play along. We do the 9-5, doom scroll, go to sleep and repeat it all over again.

And this isn’t me saying I’m above all that either. What am I doing? I scroll as well.

I’m even aware of the mechanism behind it. The energy of it. That little drop of dopamine that clicks/releases when I’m not on the phone and I’m just tuned into the present. Often times, the desire to pick up the phone is also a way of escaping a negative feeling or thought that’s becoming overbearing. Something you don’t really want to feel right now, so… check the phone. Scroll until the next piece of news, drama or entertainment feels important enough to make the present moment feel relevant again. Feel good.

We all have our excuses for doing it. I scroll because I want to be aware of what’s going on and I want to be a part of samsara so I can better understand how to escape the game everyone is playing right now lol. Observing completely from the outside can sometimes feel disconnected. I do tune out quite a bit and have taken month-long breaks from social media, and I genuinely have so much more peace when I do… but at the same time I tend to find myself more disconnected from the collective and less able to understand what ticks people’s boxes.

But I’m also aware those are excuses.

And all humans have them.

This is basically the new norm now. And I do think there’s a massive spiritual disconnect within the capitalist lifestyle we’ve created. The 9-5 grind, the increasingly vicious economy, the constant pressure to produce, consume, pay something, chase something, worry about something… it intuitively doesn’t feel right. People are more connected technologically than any humans in history while somehow feeling more isolated than ever.

I don’t know how long we can keep being dragged into this kind of inner desolation without something eventually giving. It feels spiritually oppressive.

But I also don’t think we’re completely helpless here, and that’s probably the part worth focusing on. A lot of people already know something feels wrong. You see it in people deleting apps, taking breaks, wanting community again, wanting to spend more time outside, wanting real relationships, meditation, spirituality, simpler living, anything that actually makes them feel alive instead of merely stimulated. I think part of the answer is probably much less dramatic than waiting for society itself to magically change. We start locally. Put the phone away when somebody is talking to you. Invite people somewhere. Create communities. Make art. Meditate. Sit in silence. Actually knock on somebody’s door. Help someone. Build things with other people. Create spaces where being human is more rewarding than staring at a screen.

And on a larger level, yeah… I do think people eventually have to start seriously questioning and creating alternatives to a system that continually produces these conditions. Because telling someone to “just be present” only goes so far when they’re thinking about the next bill they have to pay, whether they can afford groceries, or how they’re going to feed their kids. That’s real too. Spirituality can’t just become another way of pretending material conditions don’t exist.

So I think both things matter. We have to get our asses out of our comfort zones and actually start living again… while also trying to create conditions where people have enough breathing room to actually do that.

Which is difficult.

Especially when you’re thinking about the next bill you have to pay or kids you have to feed.

(me)

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I can see why a lot of people would look to social media as some sort of “AntiChrist” or collective evil; it certainly seems to have a special grip on our consciousness as of writing (in which I mean a growing collective dread; even before the social-media-ban newscycle started there were some rumblings being voiced) and I think it’s notable that very little of this needs to be manufactured. People are getting fed up, if not already, and want to see change; at least from themselves for the time being.

But I would like to begin by defining any so-called “AntiChrist”, before the baby is thrown out with the bathwater. No one can really say for certain who or what this AntiChrist is, will be, or when it will ever manifest. There have been, from a purely historical point of view, numerous attempts to identify such a threat (among the very early church in the Bible, to the pre-Roman church in persecution, to the Reformation and beyond). Notable examples may include:

  • The Pagan Roman Empire and its policies of mass-persecution
  • The Prophet Muhammad in establishing Islam
  • Individual Popes as well as the Medieval/Early-Modern Papacy
  • The Protestant Churches as established by early Reformers
  • Non-believers generally (at a push, may I personally add!)
  • And various other figures…

One of the more widely held arguments is that the AntiChrist will be a deceiver. It (or he) will call and work for world peace, prosperity and fulfilment as a great humanitarian; the only caveat/secret being that he denies God, with such goals only being goals in themselves and without a grounding in the Christian faith. Think someone like Rosemary’s son in the sequel to the horror classic Rosemary’s Baby! A new counter-church may (very likely) be established, in which a false gospel will be proclaimed, but will externally conform to all of the church’s traditions, symbols, and characteristics. As a Christian myself, I think this may already be seen in all those non-denominational churches that keep popping up (in and outside of established denominations); although this is also most likely a consequence of more recent institutional decline. The only false gospel to be seen in such instances is that pernicious corruption called the “prosperity gospel”, which just won’t go away. I could go on…

Yet there is some support for defining social media as an AntiChrist. Social media is itself formed by a collective (one common understanding of the supposed AntiChrist’s future manifestation), and does now promote very immoral mores/behaviours/beliefs at the cost of past social cohesion (to various extents). One Eastern Orthodox figure - Patriarch Kirill of Moscow - claimed a few years ago on Russian state television the AntiChrist is the (singular) person in charge of the World Wide Web, controlling humanity through mass-inculturation and surveillance (going on to say the whole structure is a threat).

Whatever or whoever such a threat will be, no one will never know until it is technically too late. Almost 99.9% of predictions will be for naught. We just do not know!

I personally believe social media itself is nothing more of a false-idol: reflecting and amplifying our worst impulses in spite of the best intentions. This is a contradiction I believe underpins the vast majority of this system we call the “modern” (or even postmodern! even though “postmodernism” does not really exist outside inflammatory common parlance…) world. Historically speaking, the internet only exists because of the development of a new data-based paradigm necessary to build and manage usable “computers” separate from individual human consciousness, only possible by the division of labour and resources seen in the Industrial Revolution; this was only possible beforehand by the socio-cultural influence of changing trade relations and Western prosperity following the long-term collapse of the feudal social order precipitated by the development of Early-Modern “nation states”, itself a consequence of the Protestant Reformation; this was brought about by the political and cultural opposition to mass-controlled religion, itself a growing response to previous social instability (seen in the Black Death epidemic); and on and on.

In short, I believe social media and it’s flaws to be awfully human; human, all too human :wink: . And part of a wider social shift away from our Prehistoric foundations rooted in religion/mysticism (generally speaking; I am writing to a mixed religious audience, of course), which has been part of our wider evolution and development over time (with religion declining largely in line with societal prosperity, among other factors).

As for any solutions, I largely agree with what has already been mooted.

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Social media has negative aspects for many reasons, but it also offers numerous benefits, such as the ability to connect with others, even over long distances.

There are many instances of separated family members or friends reconnecting thanks to social media; missing persons have even been located through these platforms.

Likewise, people can sell their products or promote their businesses using them.

I think it depends how you use it, I agree maybe it should more regulated or controlled in order to protect people.

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I don’t know if I can judge the social media as a whole, but many controllers of TV/media/hollywood are sure antichrists.

how do I define Christ?
It’s unity and love consciousness. It’s a state of wholeness. It’s identification with the spirit/consciousness instead of material bodies.
Unfortunately, a great portion of the world is in separation and lack consciousness, consuming more than they produce… It doesn’t take a genius to see what type of society it leads to. Selfish entities can organize only through vertical hierarchy of enslavement. The ones doing it as a firm choice are the antichrists. It’s inevitable that there is/will-be a top dog (THE antichrist) in that system.

Christ consciousness is about seeing the Self everywhere. How could one lack compassion if they truly saw themselves everywhere?

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Well, if social media is the Antichrist, then we ALL sold our souls to the Devil lol…

But Naah, I think there is no universal devil or antichrist.

It can mean different things for different people, also the Bible or other Books?

In my pov, The Divine is WAAAY beyond those old scripts lol.

It is everywhere and in each one of us and each soul IS Divine and the Divine is in this world and in all worlds, it’s the Ultimate Reality, encompassing… Everything.

WEEEEEELL beyond our small minds and little discoveries or we’ll books too…

It’s limitless.

But we are limitless too lol, everything is containing the Divine Spark so to speak, and each soul has limitless potential…

No book or doctrine will stop you or anyone.

Therefore no fearing of anything, since there is no need.

Worse case scenario?

COUNTLESS such scenarios: worldwide slavery (modern one), the destruction of humankind and/or of Earth etc.

YET we are immortal souls…

We ’ ll survive… Everything!

Lol, therefore no need to fear anything.

Antichrist?

Just a blemish / shadow on God s green garden. :grin:

It will go away…

Nothing lasts forever.

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I would also like to add that there is no reason why the internet/web/media cannot ever change for the better; nothing is really forcing us to live in a society like this apart from past precedent(s) and present apathy.

The internet wasn’t invented for mass-market reach or media-inculturation but so CERN scientists could share research with collaborators across the globe. Imagine how different it is now?

There is no reason why the internet has to be shaped by mass-market forces alone; a better future is always possible.

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I agree. It really is just a tool and one that manages to connect us physically so that we may communicate no matter the distance. In that same light, it can be used to unite the world and usher in a new age for humanity.

Mass Meditation was borne out of social media to an extent. This forum is social media just as well as youtube lol. There’s a lot of good that can be done through this tool as well. Just need to explore that option far more as a race.

We certainly have to grow out of that outdated negativity focus instinct we have. We lean towards the negative for survival but it’s that instinct that keeps us getting rage baited by bad faith actors.

All of this is so new. The internet is so new and humans are still coming to terms with having access to the whole world at once. Not only in the internet, but all of these migrations and intermixing, the world is already becoming more connected. The more it does, the more friction there is because people’s contradicting world views will keep clashing.

Like the cultural identities of certain peoples beginning to get mixed with others. This sorts of thing threatens their identities and what they’ve believed their whole lives.

This is happening culturally as well as you’ll have black girls in tennessee as huge k pop fans or a rapper in new zealand getting huge off of uk drill. Everyone is already doing eachother’s style and there’s no dominant ‘regional style’ anymore.

Then with the proliferation AI and the spreading of information at greater speeds than we can keep up wth, it’s only natural that this ‘connection’ is speeding up.

To what end?

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Hmmm, those points you raise about globalisation and interconnectivity are actually really interesting. I never thought about our society being connected like that before - it all seems so different when you stop to look at it from an everyday point of view “from below” (instead from a cold, clinical, high-up perspective).

This usually leads into what others term the “postmodern condition” in contemporary society (and this is usually why a lot of pseudo-intellectuals cry blue murder when someone mentions postmodernism or post-structuralism), a state of living where one’s sense of self, relations to the outside world and general everyday life is shaped by the predominance of various “symbols” and the ways they are communicated en-masse. This is postmodern because previous periods would only have been shaped by a singular, overriding “narrative” (like religion/spirituality in premodern times, and science in the modern; postmodernism is much like a kaleidoscope compared to previous rays of light; everything’s mixed up now, isn’t it?)

All these changes are shaping our lives now, for better or for worse, and there are signs society altogether is starting to buckle under the collective weight. Now, I should probably declare that the next part of this post was possibly planned as its own thread (leading on from here of course). I was thinking of ways to answer @SammyG’s question and suddenly realised…

The answer is “Trauma”; in spite of all our collective progress and development the problem we face is trauma.

I had already been pondering the nature of trauma in the first place (as in a “what is trauma?” thread). It was while trying to understand why all these recent (and possibly otherwise amazing!) developments in recent history had begun to cause such pain, through alienation and desentisation, that I was finally able to conceptualise while seeing why it always is so soul-crushing.

Trauma hurts us and haunts us precisely because it is an “echo”; it stays with us in ways we never expect because it is always active, always growing (very similar to how morphic fields work actually, which I think Sammy discussed only a little while ago…).

Here’s a little demonstration/case-study I thought of to illustrate the effects:

Imagine that as Humans in the beginning, we were formed by the impulse of Life (I know this is similar to the creation story in Genesis but I’m trying to keep this as broad as possible), like from a God/Energy/Field; we were connected to the underlying force of creation as we were birthed into being (however that happened), and this was right for us. We were in a mutual relationship with this “signal” as it grew and we grew; we were “healthy”, in a sense, because of it.

I call this God/Energy/Field/Impulse a “signal” because that is how we would have felt it ourselves. It would have propagated throughout existence as part of our creation and left its mark in various ways; awareness would come later, but for now this was all we ever knew.

Then came evolution, and the need for survival in a material sense. Now whether or not this falls into existing concepts of sin depends on your personal beliefs but, for the meantime, lets assume this simply began with the development of consciousness (to some extent). We as lifeforms now sought to assert our dominance against each other as means of protection (these animals are dangerous - kill them before they kill us; we need food - we must hunt; we need crops - we must secure land; this group/species is different - they are a threat; et cetera…) and in a very short time, our collective experience has been radically altered.

But what about that propagator-signal from the very beginning? In all the commotion and the sheer suffering of early life, it may have been forgotten or (more precisely) “drowned out” by everything happening all at once. The sheer trauma of the Human Experience sent out echoes in a more energetic sense, clouding our consciousness away from previous spiritual connections and cutting us off from God - the “True Divine”.

I think this is the reason why trauma is best imagined as an echo - it feels like a weight upon us, yet has an active energy of its own that allows it to grow, fester and expand within us; we are wounded by our trauma(s) and we carry the weight of it wherever we go and by whoever we meet. And it soon spreads. We are most likely to hurt each other when we think only of ourselves, to cut a long story short.

A lot of this has come to define modern culture, especially as part of the overriding Capitalist configuration we live in. Much of our understanding of modern economic sense is based on this prevailing “might makes right” myth where the ends will one day justify the means; the American Dream. Where I think this falls apart though is in its simplistic glorification of Trauma - the American Dream can only account for so much.

If you went from a completely impoverished peasant or immigrant to a Wall-Street Millionaire in your lifetime then your life would (strictly speaking) be a story of total success. You won at the game of life! But just because you succeeded (in a narrow sense of the word) in the future doesn’t mean the past can be forgotten. This is where the “might makes right” mentality originates - the idea that all the suffering you went through made you the person you are today and you should be glad for it! Now, at least on paper, such an argument is somewhat true; but that is only because of the inner-reckoning that is expected of individuation (however it is done). In a more everyday case this reckoning is undertaken and the existing trauma is left to fester. Your success or contentment at a later date does not directly counterbalance the pain and suffering you previously endured. Sometimes it can only make it worse (like in Trump’s case, for instance). And it stays with you.

Might makes right soon becomes might at all cost; hurting for hurt’s sake. Lashing out just to deflect from your own pain, equalising the cost. This is a form of bystander-apathy, letting things happen because they have happened before (if not to yourself in the past then to someone else).

Trauma as an echo has thus grown to cut us off from the natural God/Divine, debasing our spirit and consciousness and trapping us in a zero-sum game of gross mortality. In a historical sense, I very much believe that a lot of the issues we face today stem from more specific and dramatic echoes, setting events in motion as wounds are inflicted (like 9/11; the sheer suffering, anguish and trauma set the foundations for Trump’s use of populism in a very short time-frame).

What then has this got to do with social-media today? I would argue our use of social-media is a sort of carrier for these “echoes”, amplifying and spreading existing wounds while creating new ones. Such carriers have always existed to some extent but social-media is simply the newest, most sophisticated iteration. This might be part of the reason why the new mental-health crisis is continually growing, and why “sick-tok” is evermore popular.

But what is to be done? The most direct answer would be to confront our trauma as the existing religions and spiritual traditions recommend (to generally reach an “enlightened state”) and grow past our previous limits. The question raised with this approach being whether or not it is feasible on an ever-increasing scale.

The heart of the matter remains that the only solution or cure to trauma is, effectively, to yield. To say no; saying no to the continuation of the cycle. Forgiveness and compassion is all a part of this, but showing enough of these in our daily lives now is hard enough, let alone on a mass-scale! Jesus preached that in such cases you should “turn the other cheek”, but if you don’t have the faith or conviction to follow through then you would come to the conclusion that such advice is actually damaging; this is where Nietzsche’s idea of a slave-morality comes from (part of the “might makes right” myth I mentioned earlier).

And this is why I define trauma as an echo, because it is like a sound. If the original signal is just a single note (as in the purest, sweetest note of music you’ve ever heard) then each wound left behind has its own note too, and while these would might not be so loud on their own, they would each grow and build over time. The notes would combine into chords and eventually the main sound altogether would become very different. The Holocaust, as one example, was seen as a “death of God” for this very reason: how could one ever have to conviction to have true faith after experiencing such unimaginable suffering? That was the question posed by the collective trauma felt in the middle of the Twentieth Century.

Over time, the original signal is crowded out and distorted by the energy of these traumas, leaving us increasingly warped. We need religion/spirituality in order to escape this cycle and reconnect with God/The Divine. In spite of relative prosperity, comfort and progress these underlying problems are only getting worse (with the Web speeding up the processes that enabled them beforehand). How we can tackle these issues varies depending on your beliefs, of course.

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