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How do we get it though?
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I would say that I donât know.
Iâve spent quite a bit of time with the idea of immortality. And I am pretty sure that it is possible. But, this would lead to the idea of whether or not something counts as physical. It would also lead to a question about the nature of the beings that are tied to a specific physical form.
In Physics, there are laws pertaining to the conservation of energy as well as matter. If the universe is a closed system and can be considered as a being with physicality, then indeed there is true physical immortality.
For just about everything else, though, the forms will undergo transformation and (in what appears to be most, if not all cases) eventual dissolution. Though timescales could vary dramatically and could, in many ways, exceed what we can make sense of.
Arenât there many possible universes, even according to science (these are theories or are scientific facts?), so perhaps the Universe is Not a closed system?
Perhaps Reincarnation is just a Bigger Physical Change?
Like a snake shades itâs skin (well, we shed trillions of cells too), we also shade our bodies and replace them with new ones?
Is there true physical immortality?
You asked if there was, and yes there is.
But just because itâs possible for a few
doesnât mean itâs a realizable goal for many
Maybe.
But, Maybe itâs still in the realm of possibility?
Idk.
A large number of centuries may be a decent consolation prize haha
Thatâs an interesting point.
Scientifically⌠it depends on the standards that you set for science. There is nothing empirical that can justify the notion of a multiverse in the way that it has appeared in science. At least, as far as scientific empiricism is concerned. The idea itself derived from quantum mechanics and an interpretation of the math.
To make a long discussion short, scientists would usually hold the idea that the math is a rough approximation of what we wind up looking at in an experiment. The many world interpretation flipped that backwards and said that anomalies in the math must correspond to a bigger sense of reality. âI think thatâs a good thing, insofar as it opens up inquiry into whatever lies beyond our existing theoretical paradigms. But, overall, treating hypothetical objects like a multiverse as an actual existing object doesnât adhere to any standard of scientific empiricism (the only reason people considered the idea was because the math doesnât cleanly work).
Iâve actually thought a bit about how people have used the term multiverse in a spiritual setting and Iâve tried to reconcile it with different approaches to science. The best sense of things that I could find is that we got on a bad track in science when the concept of the aether was abandoned. Ever since then, weâve been dealing with mostly mathematical physics and things that barely intersect with the observable universe.
However, if we went back to the concept of the aether, we would get a very dynamic sense of matter and the forces that animate it. It would quite easily adjoin to the different models of reality that exist in spiritual/religious approaches to physics and metaphysics.
So, that would bring me to the subject of reconciling the different ideas that Iâve heard circulating about the multiverse. As far as I can tell, thereâs only one level that exists corresponding to the physical world that we are familiar with. However, things become very multifarious and pluralistic when we look into the many dimensions of finer gradients of matter/aether (be they âastralâ, âmentalâ or otherwise). That, to me, is where the multiverse has the greatest potential for legitimacy as a concept. âBut it has basically no connection to the ideas that appear in modern physics.
That, I guess, is an interesting point also. I donât have a clear sense of reincarnation (Iâm not dead yet lol). But I guess so. At that point, people like to talk abut the immortality of the soul. In traditional systems that have a ontological catalog of reality, the soul is typically linked to an idea of something that is completely immaterial and non-physical. That item, itself, would be regarded as immortal, but not necessarily physical.
Practices that cultivate towards âimmortalityâ, make a drive towards the original state of matter that paired with the original consciousness. Maintaining that state of ultimate purity is what aligns a person with Heaven and Earth (in the metaphysical sense), and gives them longevity to match. But the process is defined, to a great extent, by the elimination of a sense of self. And so, your self (to have true immortality) would have no attachment to any set form; it would become near identical to the fundamental consciousness beyond form, and it would evolve with matter and the myriad forms that matter assumes.
âPresuming, of course, that all of this metaphysical theory is correct.
I think it has a lot of merit
That was in the late XIXth Century or perhaps early XXth C. right?
I saw it mentioned in a documentary some time ago and I read about it on Wikipedia, but I forgot most of those things that I read.
Also, need to change my profile pic, too similar to @WellBeing.
But this time, Iâll choose anonimity, no more photos of mine.
I dunno lol
Some people have kept that line of theory-building alive even to this day, but the books are hard to find.
I think 1920 and afterwards was when when the greatest number of people abandoned it-- when relativity picked up and spacetime became a more popular concept
With the level of science and knowledge that we have today, itâs possible. Not to mention the accumulation speed of science and technology that keeps on increasing as every decade goes by. Who knows what information and knowledge will come about to the public throughout this century. Although in to the far future and beyond, nobody really knows what the world is going to be like anyways because we can only go by the future/prediction timeline and the current data we have.
I doubt it will happen in our lifetime though because âthe all seeing eyeâ or those with global power/authority wont stand it for it. Theyâll be some heavy resistance against it since modern science and technology has caused many imbalances on the planet unlike in the past when nature, famine and wars etc balanced everything out. Those at the top of the hierarchy will want us killed off by the time we reach retirement or anything that they regard as useless to the plantation/workhouse. If humanity was to become immortal, theyâd increase the retirement age right far in to the future or just probably remove it altogether and youâll end up just a mindless work drone trapped for eternity on this godforsaken planet without no exit. Youâd look up at the sky one day and scream at the top of your lungs âAaahhhhhh!!!.. Somebody help meeeeee!!!.. pleaaaaasssseee!!!â
Look itâs understandable to not want to die or be scared because what it all boils down to is that everyone (including the animals too) fear the unknown. I do know one thing for sure⌠I can think of a lot more worse things than death. Itâs not death you should be worried about⌠itâs life sufferings and how you die that should concern you.
Me personally, Iâd love to live for a very long time but I wouldnât want physical immorality because Iâd like to die someday⌠itâs normal and itâs what life does. If you deny death, then you deny life.
Plausibile scenario.
But if you live forever, you learn forever, you can learn anything, you can gain anything, no one will stand in your way if you are immortal.
Anyway, I agree with you and I think there are better places to be/become immortal.
What kind of immorality are you talking about? I was on about reversed aging/de-aging. I donât think you could ever survive extreme case situations because youâre still flesh and bone. Also if you were to lose your head (disconnect the brain from the body) or die from explosion etc. then you will be automatically dead within a split second.
I mean, if you wanted full on true immorality then you could integrate in to artificial intelligence. You could also cyborg yourself like General Grievous did (ya know the guy in my profile picture) but then again even he had a beating heart⌠and he still suffered with asthma. It didnât take Obi-Wan Kenobi long to destroy him once he finally got him cornered.
Those sound like positives aspects that you desire but what about the negatives of living forever? If you watch the movie âInterview With a Vampireâ, which is partly about immorality but from a vampires perspective, youâll soon see right near the end of the movie after a few centuries gone by in the story that they donât look as though they feel grateful for immorality but instead detest it (especially Brad Pitts character who regret having to face immorality for eternity). Honestly bro you should watch it though anyways⌠it such a fantastic movie! Iâll tell you something, I never thought Tom Cruise was a great actor until I saw this movie. Especially in this scene⌠https://youtu.be/TBDkQc3qS94
You seem to think life is worth it but is it worth it for those that have to graft in their 9-5 job until theyâre a crippled old person? What about those in poverty in many parts of the world, those who slave away in gruelling sweatshops or have to live their life with painful disabilities/conditions etc?
Maybe we are already immortal because nobody knows what happens to the true essence of ourselves after death. Everything you hear these days (including everyoneâs beliefs on this forum) on this topic is all just speculation anyways since nobody really knows what happens after we die. If you choose physical immorality or go against nature/laws of the universe then you could make a great mistake that you might not be able to ever reverse.
I also did not thought he is that great until I watched âInterview with a Vampireâ, but this movie changed my mind; I understand that physical immortality might have some minuses, but what is the alternative - Reincarnation/You go from 0 to (hopefully) a 100, a million times (IF Reincarnation is Legit; I assume it is)?
Besides, we have Sapien Medicine and so many possibilities to get Healthy/Healthier, idkâŚ
Of course there are, itâs completely normal
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The universe better not be a closed system with an immortal being xD
Anyway, we may be there already (as cell of an immortal body).
You may want to check Babaji.
I will. Thank You.