Jesus wasn't enlightened

How are people liberated from their karma including prarabdha karma, as you see it?

When it comes to the liberation of prarabdha karma, you are just doing nothing but accepting. Whether someone has good or bad prarabdha karmas, you just have to let them do their thing. Simply live your life. The moment you reach the end of life, that’s how prarabdha has done its job. It’s completely exhausted.

But when it comes to sanchita karmas, the warehouse of karmas, that will become another prarabdha karma itself in the next life.

You can focus on doing (upaya), which is a form of spiritual practice, such as chanting, etc., this burn sanchita karma.

Now, Kriyamana Karma is the (free will), the karma that you are currently making right now. Even when you interact with anything, it creates that karma and stores it in sanchita.

When someone focuses deliberately on chanting God’s name, they are actively burning the current karma that is being processed and about to be stored in sanchita.

Because the focus ( agami karma ) the pointer is toward burning the stored karmas. ( not prarabdha karmas)

These types of karmas are easily burnt off.

Prarabdha karma cannot be eradicated, but it can be managed through chanting mantras so a person doesn’t end up breaking their soul while facing whatever prarabdha is manifesting in this current life. Whatever prarabdha karmas someone has, even if it means misalignments or some sort of difficulty, one has to endure that. Only the mind (mana) can navigate this process through surrender, but this doesn’t remove or diminish the prarabdha karma. You just handle it with humbleness.

The only way to stop prarabdha simply means to die. The body no longer has jiva, the force of life itself. From there, the atma (soul) will be in the astral realm of the unmanifested state of karmas (sanchita karmas).

If one wants to completely liberate the soul and no longer be tied to samsara (the cycle of rebirth and death), one has to focus on burning the accumulated sanchit by remembering God’s names through chanting or by engaging in any spiritual practice. This could be meditation or even acts of kindness.

Even then. Doing act of kindness itself is also counted as dharma. That will be stored in sanchita. It is hard indeed to leave samsara trap.

But to truly want moksha, a soul needs to focus on letting go of any desires while still doing its thing. However, the primary focus is toward moksha. By doing this, you are creating strong points toward ending its cycle…

When a soul is about to reach ending of its cycle. You actually can see this placement through jyothi. A heavy placement of 12th house is assured. But remember. It can make another trap too. If the (free will) constantly engage in wordly desires/ dramas.

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Even by putting ideas of saying.

( oh man i want to be a singer so bad) this desire is (captured) and stored in sanchit. If youre not deliberately burning this as an example. Then that desire will manifest in next life. That become the ( prarabdha karma)

Same things goes with even hurting people even the slightest thing can create another scenario of reincarnation.

So the focus always to remind yourself to actively burning it. Chanting! Is the key here.

I don’t want to derail the thread but if you excuse me…how would one go about developing true faith? I find it quite difficult. Then, if using the “indian pantheon”, many strict guidelines have to be observed to do any type of sadhana, which makes the acquisition of faith even more difficult.

I finally understood with this statement :smiling_face_with_tear: I’d really like to understand this the way Lord Rama did. I think it’s “easier” when you have their vantage point.

Here’s a thought that popped up that will require some experimentation on your part but sounds very interesting. The Law of Assumption, based on scripture from various traditions, says that if you absolutely convince yourself that you have the knowledge of Lord Rama it will come to you in synchronicities and ways that you might have to look out for. The divine mind within in you just wants to be called upon to show itself. Your beingness is like a divine library - we just forget and think that everything is outside of us or that someone else has power that we don’t. That is not the case.

Let me know if you try this. I am anxious to see how it unfolds in you.

I’m pretty sure that a few NFTs were based on the presence of libraries of divine knowledge.

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All faith is truth in itself. You can talk about Jesus and preach the essence of love itself that is remnants of God. Or you can talk about Buddha and follow his path. Still, the essence is you believe that there is higher divine strength in every belief system.

So it turly does not matter what religion you choose to believe. But believe in your actions. Are you following the dharma?

Anyway.

A simple mantra that effectively burns sanchita karma and also the Kriyaman karma. You can chant ram naam mantra.

Just simply say ( ram) you can chant it everyday for 108 or as much as you like.

No specific religious beliefs needed. All people welcome to chant. The benefits is. You freeing yourself. From this trap of karmic cycles.

Remember not for prarabdha karma.

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I know how it feels when one has to go through the hardest kind of prarabdha karma.

I had it the worst 10 years of moon dasha lol.

I was a normal, functioning kid before entering it. Then the moon dasha came and messed up everything. Mentally, I wasn’t even there throughout the phase. I remember saying this to myself: “If this isn’t going to be fixed soon. I might just end it”

But guess what. I survived it. And i know i burned all that karmic baggage. So in my next life i wont be dealing with it and it sure will not. Whatever we deal in this life whether its good or bad. The ultimate truth is your experience. Are you being humble when life treats you hardly? Are you staying grounded and forgiving when good things are coming? Everything has its own expiration dates!

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You can start with the religion you were born into, study the lives of saints from your religion as they were once human with the same vices like rest of us have some even worse, knowing their journeys gives you ideas on how you can develop your own faith.

You would be surprised to know some people have books failing literally into their hands or just in front of them in a book store, look for such signs. Doing things with little faith because certain deity from another pantheon helped someone you know is not the best way unless you are drawn to that deity for a long time experiencing signs similar to the above.

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OT (and my apologies for it)

@Imogen could I PM you? I already tried but it said you’re not accepting any messages at the moment. This is me pushing my luck just this once.

Yea you can. Im not sure how it says that. My dm is always open

But here if you cant reach out to me. I have telegram account

@Imogenyuh

Thanks a lot @Kalacakra @Imogen @Rosechalice

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I read that Jesus Christ is actually rich jest us. Kinda like how Simpsons put shit in front of our face before some events happen

:joy::woman_facepalming:t2: Jesus!

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it’s just something I read. Like alucard you turn it around and it says dracula.

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hahaha you can come up with the weirdest things i swear

What do you think about humans reaching a divine level in this incarnation? Do you believe that with the new Dream releases we will be able to reach states similar to those of deities? Or must we first leave this samsaric wheel?

Some examples would be Acquire levels of consciousness where reality can be molded at will, an energy system of a divine degree, understanding the purpose in the cosmic order at a surgical level, and inhabiting higher planes of existence

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It depends on the karmic baggage. The more dharmas someone hold the higher chances you attained deva status. Human can be devas. But wont necessarily reborn in this realm of human life. More of stavik state.

Not necessarily permanent. We can’t have that permanent status of a deva as human. So whatever karmic left if your karma is good. Then youll spend millions of years as deva. In heavenly realm. The realm is atill in samsara cycle though. Its still considered a trap.

The thing is, no one can attain a permanent avatar here, though we can be reborn as devas. But the avatar of that image can still be exhausted. And when the karma is over, well, you go back again to a lower cycle Earth.

The process of making permanent status as devas, such as the 9 grahas, for example, makes them permanent. They drank the amrita. This process was done millions of years ago. Cant be remake. No one can’t. The process of making amarita is extremely dangerous. It involves processing of turning the ocean and mountain crushing and blazing hot fire. Which involves asuras.

But our soul is what is infinite. What I meant by permanent is the avatar as you, born with certain traits that will keep on forever. Even if external factors try to kill it, you’ll be born again with the same image as before, and there is no end to it.

Even when the universe go in state of small pralaya or maha pralaya. Those grahas. Who drank the atmarita will be born as those again.

Its like a seed of apple. You plant the apple you store the apple seed and you decide to plant it again for next summer. Those gap of time where you dont plants it yet is a dissolution of universe. Until you start to plant again. The universe begins.

It sounds interesting, but what is the role of other deities, other worldviews/pantheons? Zeus, Odin, Apollo, Thor. I would like to hear what Dream has to say about this.

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These are just different naming. In Europe people call god of time chronos. Its saturn. In India they call it shani dev. So does the every different deities. Shukra for venus. Ect ect.

But the essence is the same. Its just how tradition views it.

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He orchestrated these events as a Cosmic Drama in order to, through story, symbolize inner psycho-spiritual truths.

Judas represents our inner Judas that betrays the Higher Self/Inner Christ daily. All the characters of the Bible represent inner archetypes.

He was indeed enlightened.

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