The item part, could be a bit much. But interfering in general, like when you use Be the Healer audio without them knowing. I don’t see how that’s different from helping someone physically. If someone is passed out drunk, is it ok to make sure they don’t choke on their own vomit in their sleep without getting their permission first.
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Really? 
That’s the counterargument you’re going with?
I think you know the difference between these two situations.
Like I said, it’s a cosmic “law”.
Arguing with me doesn’t change it…
Just letting you know how it works out if you break it.
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@_OM I must admit that your post on the “law of non interference” has got me really worried.
I secretly had two fields embedded onto a jewellery item that my son wears daily, I did the same for my mom and had two fields embedded onto her favourite pendant that she loves to wear.
My intentions were pure and loving, all I wanted to do as a mom was help my son and as a daughter support my elderly mom.
I am now starting to regret my decision 
Not sure which option to choose right now, tell them now and risk their anger and see them reject wearing their favourite item or wait until they find out and hope the fields assisted them in the meantime. Option B sound better but being tangled in their karma is something I would like to avoid. As much as I love both of them I have enough problems sorting out my own karma I definitely don’t want to take on theirs as well.
Damn what did I just do! 
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this is exactly the reason why i now do my best to understand the other party and putting all my cards on the table when it comes to communication.
your intentions were definitely pure, but we don’t know exactly how what we do and give affect them unless we’re in their bodies and mind.
if you were to be honest and come forward, they will then have the option to keep it or stop using it depending on their relationship with you. if you don’t tell them, then they still don’t know and may not realize how it is affecting them.
now that you know, maybe meditate on it and see what insights you could get from within.
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Counterargument? I didn’t really view this as an argument. More like a sharing of views. But ok, argument.
I don’t see the difference. The same laws of when it’s ok and not ok to interfere with someone for their own good in the physical realm, are the ones I believe apply in the non-physical realm.
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Well if you son is under (let’s say 18 but if he’s old enough to act like an adult then you should consider him one under these guidelines) then you are “entrusted” with doing what’s best for him even if he doesn’t know any better. So you’d be good there…again with the above caveat.
Yeah… not really thinking clearly on this one…
These two concepts don’t really go together in most cases, right?
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Yeah you are right they don’t go together.
I guess the only way forward would be to admit to them what I have done and hope they are accepting of my gifts to them.
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or you could stick with the plan, keep it a secret, the same way you intended to. It’s normal to have doubt after launching the mission, the important thing is to trust the “you” that made the decision. What do you have to win ? What do you have to lose ? Wait to see the results.
Just sharing my thougtht…
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Really? Still? ok.
I don’t usually play “hypotheticals” because the circumstances are made up and generally “ever changing” in a “sharing a views.”
You don’t see the difference between saving someone who is choking (and again, “hypothetically” wants to live…cause if they want to die and you save them then it should be obvious you are interfering with their free will) and secretly placing fields on items and giving them away as “merely jewelry”?
Is this the same Atreides as all the other posts? I’m like 70% serious in asking…
And again, it’s not MY cosmic law.
You’ve never been in a situation where you’ve forced your will upon someone and later on they resented it for you?
Can’t even imagine that, huh?
Well then you’ll just have to take my word for it.
Especially as you get “higher” energetically and can convince others who trust you more easily.
Maybe, you were a child once. (i don’t know…i’m having hard time not seeing how you can’t even IMAGINE this scenario right now)
Ever have your parents or an adult tell you something that you later found out was untrue?
Ever feel any resentment about that?
Can you IMAGINE it even if you haven’t?
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I think OM’s point is about what their higher self wants, not what their ego wants.
Everyone wants to be happy , afterall.
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Holy 
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@everyone, not just @Philip_Weiss
This is some seriously messed up thinking…
Like leading to psychopathic thinking…
Let’s go down the slippery slope and then come back upwards.
That one girl.
I know she likes me.
She’s just shy, and has had a stupid corrupted religious upbringing that makes her hesitant about sex…
If I just slip her some roofies, and then she sees how great sex is, then she’ll be happier… right?
That’s extreme, but that’s pretty much how psychopath’s justify their actions… as “for the good” of the other person…without their consent. Period.
If I start slipping steroids into my friends food and drinks, that’s ok too right?
I mean they will be getting stronger and they will thank me in the end?
(This is literally a bad sitcom TV plot that has been done in some shows)
You wanna skate the fine line…
Tell them it’s “blessed jewelry” … or whatever.
You don’t need to tell them it’s made my some anonymous guy that you’ve never met named Sapien Med who does this weird “morphic fields”.
Unless they start asking…
But you should give them some heads up about it being “blessed” or “magical” or whatever word you want to use.
You’d want the same done for you.
Basic Golden Rule. Outside of the “karma” that is completely outside of my control.
Take your beefs up with the Universe and “the rules” or whatever.
Don’t believe me?
Just go ahead and do it and ignore what I said… but keep it mind and then let’s revisit this topic in a few years.
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That’s like saying you don’t believe in gravity…cause literally that’s what “karma” is… an ancient concept for the law of cause and effect.
Just a more overreaching cause and effect that you dont always see immediately.
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Yeah, no, don’t compate Karma and Gravity please
I believe that actions have consequences, we should all strive to be better person and put positivity into the environment and community, because of mechanical laws. Where actions, not intent matter the most. The idea of some energetic court of law… I don’t believe in.
If I think that if I’m helping you out of love and you do get help, even if you didn’t know, it’s still all good.
The energy is good, the intent is good, the results is good.
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Why not? That’s what true Karma is… the laws of cause and effect.
Just because people have misinterpreted the concept throughout the ages doesn’t change it’s true conceptual meaning.
Something one does or doesn’t do today will have consequences…sometimes small, sometimes life changing.
That’s not a “weird out there” concept.
It’s basic scientific theory.
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Dude we are literally talking about actions in this “debate”… not intent
Is everyone high today or is it just me?
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An undiscovered secret = the truth as far as results go in the example mentioned above.
Why the fuck would it be bad ?
You have a problem with the secret, she is helping him. You’re like the concept of secret and love don’t go hand in hand. Why not ?
I´m thinking that oftentimes there can be some purging or some other initially “bad” effects. If they don´t know where this is coming from, they don´t have the option to take a break for instance.
And I also think that just the discovery and experience of this energy work is meant to expand our minds and souls and if we are not aware of this happening to us we somehow loose something very precious.
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I agree with that, now it might not be ethical, but if somebody does it and succeed in improving somebody life I don’t mind.
@_OM I give you an example, my mom’s a drunk (she is), when I used to hide her bottle and trick her so that she stay sober to drive or go to work. She didn’t know, but it was for her good; If I let her do what she wanted, people who’d say I’m a coward, I let her get drunk and drive. If I told her she’d beat me and find a way to drink again. But I’m wrong, I’m messed up.
You want extreme cases, like roofie, here is one
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Alright, you are talking in circles right now and i guess try to justify how it’s ok to do pretty much anything as long as it makes them happier or wealthier or whatever YOU think is best for them.
Again, maybe not just psychopathic… maybe also egomanical.
I’ll exit the thread for a bit and leave you all with this Oscar worthy acting clip.
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Final details, suppose that disabled, alcoolic person, is your single parent. Your other parent is dead. If he/she dies you’re an orphan. Does that change anything ? Nobody gives a damn, let her kill herself and let’s go to the social services ?
And I’m the psycho lol
I don’t give a fuck what my children wants, I wouldn’t let them smoke primo crystal meth all day.
That’s one of the reasons the world is so messed up.
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