The concept of the left-hand path seems weird to me, haha. The entities summoned are likely beings and deities distorted by Christianity, so they probably aren’t entirely evil. However, because much knowledge about working with these entities and their true nature has been lost, I don’t think the left-hand path offers a clear and structured approach that most people can follow. That’s one of the reasons I prefer studying Eastern mysticism more deeply than Western esotericism.
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So @Rofocale are you still asking if certain Sapien fields are counter to your path, or are you trying to entice members with your path?
I know you asked a very specific question. Was it answered?
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Hey sup, I’m just having a friendly conversation, I don’t intend to get anyone anywhere, the question was answered and I appreciate it, thank you.
I’d suggest you to try Rites of Acharaym by VK Jehannum, it has a very clear map through the entire Qliphoth.
Crossing the Qliphothic abyss means getting your ego turned to pieces in the most harsh possible ways, you’ll lose friendships, even romantic partners, it’s a process that strips you away from all and it’s not gentle for anyone.
Qliphothic Self-Initiation – V.K. Jehannum
If you’re not familiar with demonic energies I’d suggest you to first do the Sephiroth, which is angelic oriented, VK also has a map for it which is called Book of Emanations at the end of this grimoire.
The Jehannum Papers Volume 1 - 230605 - 210525 | PDF | Medusa | Religious Belief And Doctrine
This should be added to FAQs for new users.
All low vibrational entities are parasitic because they miss the physical experiences like tasting good food, sex etc. and without a human body they can’t experience those, that is why they prey on weak minds, minds of those who fall into egoic traps of power, revenge and sex.
I don’t think there was ever any structured approach in LHP, the more complicated the system developed by some author the more people fall into the trap while many believe it has no path and you make your own path.
All of the entities around know most humans want only two things power and sex and they promise to give them but take a lot in return.
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I do think the only entities that aren’t concerned with human spiritual evolution are: astral parasites, servitors and egregors,
And those ones are created by humans,
I don’t think entities that pre-existed humans and are part of the primordial chaos like demons fit into that category,
I’ve been attacked by LHP dudes that used a servitor to make people cut themselves if others weren’t worshipping their coven.
That kind of bullshit is only human-made in very low vibrational states of mind.
LHP people in low vibration that want to satisfy goals use servitors because they’re full of shit, they don’t use demons, because demons won’t give you what your ego wants, they will give you what your ego needs to evolve.
Power and sex are also vital parts of the human experience as long as it doesn’t consume you, and must not be repressed or annihilated in any way.
The people who are completely against those, like Catholic priests, are very confused people who are full of shadows that come out in not the nicest ways.
Embracing shadow means also embracing earthly pleasures in a balanced way that does not consume you.
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I have read accounts which are worse, as said most want power and sex and by the definition of those terms almost entire population on this planet is in low vibration. Even people who don’t use LHP methods still want the same but they have better ethics compared to those on LHP, such people do not use deviant methods to bring their ex back or break a relationship or use certain people just for sex - both men and women do this in large numbers, have come across some guys who wanted help with demons to turn a straight guy into gay so that they can enjoy.
Some Buddhists are no better than those on LHP, some gurus they keep their followers under their grip to boost their ego. It is like the Ancient One in Dr. Strange, to the outside world Ancient One is all good but he uses the dark methods.
Tibetan Buddhism has a good collection of deities who can hurt people or give you wealth so much so for Buddha’s compassion.
You seem to have a very strong concepts of good and evil, they are relative. People have been doing rituals with Goetic demons for a long time now for achieving things like job, money, wealth, getting laid etc.
Just think if demons are only interested in the spiritual ascension of humans why would there be so much interest among occult circles and lodges, hollywood celebs and elites doing all kinds of things? Some people may talk fluff and make up things but so many people can’t collectively make such shit up.
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i’m not interested in morals, but ethics. Ethics are relative and rely on context, as I said, vampirism isn’t good or bad, but how you use it has to do with context and ethics.
One could vampirize a pregnant woman because she has more Chi available for healing oneself, Imo that’s bullshit.
Now, if you’re vampirizing the astral parasites from a pregnant women and eating all that’s preventing her from having a good pregnancy that’s a more ethical stand for it, and you’re helping her and you’re also healing yourself.
People enslaving demons and djinns for their egoic purposes instead of bonding with them for integration are building more karma.
Those people then need to vampirize more energy from people to keep bypassing their karma and it becomes a vicious cycle.
Many people not involved in demons and the occult do the same shit, they just bypass their karma by stealing other people’s energies through narcissistic means.
Like inauthentic chad bully-like dudes preying on the weak to boost their ego and harvest groups of insecure people to bypass on their karma.
Btw, those things are also valid spiritual practices.
Thinking there’s “spirituality” and “non-spirituality” it may be an new age or white magickal RHP ideological dogma.
Getting a job, money, wealth, getting laid are also things that are part of life and we learn through these things too.
Thinking that the only way to have an spiritual experience is to sit under the tree for weeks meditating I think it’s bullshit.
Sometimes a demon may give you what you want because that’s exactly what you’re afraid of.
For example, most people craft an entire ego and identity around not having what they want, so they can keep longing for it for ever.
Many people are like that, so those people get ruined once they get what they wanted, because all the identities around not having it have to go, and they have to face total chaos.
Imagine a very insecure person that wants to be a famous rock star, deep down that person builded an entire identity around wanting to be a rockstar and not being one, idealizing other rockstars and shit, but one day this person gets to be that, his world becomes absolute chaos because his ego has to die to be transmuted into something else new that represents a complete dissolution of his previous set of identifications.
Only those with morals are ethical while others just follow ethics in order not to get caught or lose face.
If you want everyone to behave good and righteous it will never happen.
How are you sure about such people and what is in store for them? Such people always have bad endings.
You seem to lose your peace of mind over the immoral and unethical actions of others over which you have no control, either you become so powerful that you can straighten all those douchebags or accept that is how the world is designed there are always selfish, greedy and unscrupulous people who will do anything for money, power and sex.
Idk bro I’m not interested in fighting the “good cause”, I created examples of how people that use lhp or rhp aren’t inherently good or bad, because people were doing bad shit regardless of being lhp or not.
And yeah, people will have to deal with their karma one way of another.
Many RHP folks will have to deal with the karma of their own guilt, shame, rigid moralistic stance and its shadow,
Meanwhile many LHP will have to deal with the karma of their indulgences.
In both cases, inauthenticity leads to karma and people can use lhp or rhp to become more authentic (or not).
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I follow the same path.
I attended Dream’s seminar, and some people there thought I was involved with black magic or demonic practices. At that time, I wasn’t.
A few months later, I got into it.
Now I feel that I have moved beyond many things. VK’s mantras and rituals are very powerful for those who can handle their energies. Also S Connolly or Theodore Rose.
But as he said, this path is not for everyone.
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yea man, this only assists you on recovering all the personal power that was stripped away from the false light magickal tradition.
they way i talk, move, fuck, relate to people changed drastically since i started this path, i’ve been recovering a lot of pieces that were taken from me, which made me much more whole as a consequence
Just out of curiosity - why would one choose a demonic path?
i can’t speak for other people but only me
at first i was hessitant because i was heavily indoctrinated within mainstream abrahamic culture.
then i realized demons were there to unlock the most animalistic and bestial aspects of myself that were hidden or misplaced.
these savage aspects are fundamental and what makes us whole
abrahamic tradition neglected and rejected these animalistic aspects as evil or negative.
perpetuating more shadow into ppl
ur also easily possessed or targetted if u don’t work through these aspects of urself
i am currently in a place where i don’t get crap from 99% of ppl unless it is an skilled black magician
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Not into working with demons, but I found this to be true for embracing the primal, “dark” and taboo parts of oneself in general. It becomes infinitely harder for others to attack or “get a hold” of you, whether physically or remotely.
It started with rejection. A feeling of never being welcome anywhere, of always being in the wrong place.
I never felt close to angels; I despised Yahweh.
Then I began to question everything.
Why is this good and that evil? Is there even such a thing as good or evil?
What do we truly know about God, angels, or demons?
So instead of fields, I turned to magick. And with magick, to demons.
What if demons can teach you things?
People say that demons are dangerous forces. That they only want to harm you. That they are deceptive, seductive beings meant to lead you into an infernal spiral of insanity and suffering.
For me, they are like gargoyles : guardians and guides, if you are brave enough. And they are much more than guardians and guides.
They are forces for your evolution. They are balance between light and darkness.
They are frightening, terrifying, dangerous… but this is where most people stop. For warriors, they are forces beyond understanding.
Demons are not responsible for evil. People are.
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ye, most of black magick attacks and curses are shadow manipulation.
if u have your shadow open, you also have strong boundaries and u cannot be easily manipulated or cursed.
that’s religious dogma used to manipulate ppl into being passive sheep slaves.
people attuned to their high demonic self cannot be controlled or manipulated, therefore institutions like church lose power to easily dominate them.
paradoxically, not being attuned to these energies makes you more weird and paraphilic. exactly what they blame demons for. and the church is full of weirdos.
demons attack you when you haven’t integrated them, because they’re a projection of your inner state of mind that’s alienated from itself and end up attacking itself.
demonic forces were around for ever, even before yahweh was considered the main God for jewish people. before yahweh, these gods were around and people were much more whole because of that.
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I like this citation from Asenath Mason, explaining the qliphoth:
"I don’t view the Qliphothic rulers as “evil” demons - these are old gods that originally had no sinister associations and embodied the many forces that the universe is composed of. If you choose to see them as evil archdemons, you’ll most likely see them this way, but it’s only an outer form, and in their core they’re primal beings that you can work with to get to the very root of all creation and all destruction. "