Negative energies/Demons?

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Hello,

I use demons for shadow work, to embrace my shadow aspects and not be possessed/controlled by them.

I notice there’s a lot of false light that promotes killing or erasing your shadow through holy light and positive energies, or “destroy negative energies”.

In my experience doing that only creates more shadow possession and shadow bypassing.

Thing is that I use many spiritual tools like Dreamweaver card system and I’d like to know if cards such as “Eviction” or “Aura purification”,

Or even fields like exorcism are holy-light centric in this sense, of erasing and removing shadow.

I do think balance is good and I’ve seen Dreamweaver post a grimoire to create light servitors and dark servitors that work with Goetia demons, so I wouldn’t think he’s against demons or working with them.

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Isn’t using demons (or any other force) to work with the shadow the same thing?

You are mixing psychological concepts with spiritual entities. In Jungian psychology, working with the shadow does not involve summoning or working with real beings such as demons. The “shadow” refers to the unconscious parts of our psyche, such as traits, emotions, and impulses that we suppress or deny. Integrating these parts does not require external entities, but rather self-reflection, honesty, and emotional processing.
If you rely on external forces and take them literally, it may be more difficult to take responsibility for your emotions and behavior, as they are projected onto something external.

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I believe your under the assumption there’s an “in” and “out”.

Lucifer, Lilith, etc are all aspects within the microcosm and macrocosm. So, working with them means working with shadow parts themselves.

Same with angels, believing entities such as St. Michael is an external entity and not just another part of yourself to bond with and work with, will only cause dissociation and create more shadow.

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Before traditional metaphysics tainted the world of view of everyone in the West, people related to deities and entities as venerated parts of themselves.

Monotheism told people that there’s only a bunch of small aspects that are valuable for people to express and the rest of them must be repressed and kept in the shadow.

This is how Abrahamic tradition created tons of massive psychosis and neurosis.

Back when people were pagan, more traits were valuable and released from the shadow, so people had less shadow to process because of it. Because they didn’t see most of their inner traits as “bad” or “negative” or “shameful”.

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Although I agree, up to that point, if demons are real (because some forum member, although extremely knowledgeable propose the idea that they are not real per se… ; anyway, I personally consider them real, not just extension of our minds or other parts of us), I do not know if working with them would be the best approach.

For example, you might change a mass murderer into a Saint, although extremely unlikely, but demons,…, they are in a league of their own.

I’m not an expert though, at the very least in this incarnation I can’t say that I have worked with them, yet, I can see what highly advanced individuals like Captain and many other forum members say/said, regarding the subject (yes, I’m appealing to authority figures, because, let’s be honest, there are individuals who know waaay more than what the masses know), and let’s say that, for most folks, including highly advanced individuals (in terms of knowledge, particularly spiritual knowledge), do not meddle with them (demons, jins, negative ets, other negative entities).

Why (are they and me and well, most people, avoiding them)?

Because they do try to posses, to do bad stuff, to harm, to bring disorder, etc.

The opposite of anything good or virtuous, opposites of Negentropy/Harmony, etc.

So, yeah, you can choose to do whatever you want, but if You play with fire, don’t scream when you get burnt…

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How one should work with such things?

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I like the motto:

If you’re too much in the light you can blind yourself, if you’re too much in the darkness you can lose yourself.

I believe in balance.

Both false darkness and false light can be damaging.

For example, creators that focus full on the light spectrum end up shadow bypassing hard and creating more shadow as a consequence of it.

Abrahamic white magickal tradition is a great example of false light, same as creators like Maitreya Fields imo or any creator that sees demons as inherently “bad” or “evil”.

On the opposite side,

You got weird satanic dudes from o9a trying to push genocide and people to commit crimes.

That’s just the same on the opposite scale.

Any imbalance creates shadow issues, on the shadow side is possession, on the light side is dissociation from your own shadow.

Energies aren’t inherently good or evil.

For example, you can use demons to vampirize an illness from a person, or vampirize their chaotic energy that’s keeping them from being on a healthy state.

Demons are concerned with human spirituality and evolution same as angels.

Fact is that demonic curses only work on people’s egos and they destroy their ego life.

Curses don’t work on people who are authentic and fully aligned with their true self.

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Maybe you are right.

Idk.

Maybe they are misjudged…

Anyway, it’s Your path and you have the right to choose how you manage your life and any external entity.

Also, I have heard that we have to love the elites…

Maybe demons too, why not…

Lol, I do not know.

I Agree with the middle path, though,…, however, I think this is not what Buddha had in mind when he said to follow the middle path, just saying.

But again, I’m appealing to authority, while you’re pushing the limits of spirituality,
So, yeah, you’re more daring than me,
That’s for sure.

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Releasing your shadow means dealing with tons of trauma too.

Personally I almost lost my mind after crossing Da’ath, the Qlipphotic abyss, because I was forcefully faced with almost an infinite pool of negative emotions that I had been repressing my whole life.

There’s a sephiroth and qlipphoth for a reason. And both work together.

Imo, if you stay on one side you’re crippling yourself.

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I won’t argue with you. I will only remind you that the leader of the forces you revere is called “the Evil One” for a reason.
Whoever said that understood very well that by flirting with these forces, a person will ALWAYS end up losing.

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Nice, I’m with you in your approach, but curious how exactly you do it? Do you follow any particular author’s work?

Your work sounds similar to the work of Tsultrim Allione from Chöd from Tibetan Buddhism. And it is a foolish idea that one call kill one’s shadow, when you stand in light there is absolutely nothing you or anyone can do to your shadow. Your shadow gets killed (merged) once you lose your physical body and become the body of light.

And the fields you mentioned only work against negative low vibrational entities who want you to reject life and hurt yourself and others in the process. So depending on how you are working with demons the fields would work accordingly.

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Hi @Rofocale OP,

This sounds to me similar as shape shifters would do it (or was it shamans?). The idea is to overcome your fear you “become” it, by merging with it. It’s an interesting concept and perhaps you have had experiences like that in the past.

I remember when working with the ascension tag, it would maneuver me into situations where I felt really uncomfortable - it was giving me ample opportunity to face my fears and overcome them, which would then unfold exactly in that way, no surprises there.

But with demons, hmmm, you know, I would definitely say you would already require a certain baseline level of fearlessness to confront them. Without preparation they almost certainly will latch onto you in the form of an entity. You are playing with fire and continue to play while you’ve burnt yourself already. There may be a better way.

I think you are not killing them. Let’s say by raising your vibrations on a daily basis through fields or for example deities , etc, these kind of entities will over time lose interest in you, because there’s simply not much to latch onto. They require quite a specific level of consciousness or vibration to do so, and once you are above that threshold, they cannot do anything with you anymore.

That’s why for example the field alchemical holy light, or angelic intercession, or white light waves, they’ll all be very repellent to those demons. Still that won’t destroy them because they’ll just leave.

What makes you think that and could you share your personal experiences? That way we can get a better overall picture.

Eviction will repel them. If you use it daily, this will harden into fact. And aura purification is to clear yourself if I recall, or was there a fortification feature as well? I’ll have to check as well.

Same here. Exorcism is a ritual and the words you hear in it carry great weight as this was used probably thousands of times or more. So that’s not directly holy light but will have a similar repellent effect.

He will have no need to work with them on his vibrational level. Personally I haven’t worked with those servitors yet but I also wanna check it out.

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You were correct, i found this from the description:

Dark Servitor
It will be able to use a wide range of psychic combat abilities, would be able to create minor energy
realms (for your own uses, energy storage etc) It would be able to protect you from lesser malicious
entities. It would be able to cast spells on your behalf, can cast a wide range of darker magic forms
including the Goetia along with the summoning and control of Demons (goetia type).
There are lots of other abilities that you can discover on your own through your own experimentations.

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The term demon got bastardized and distorted across centuries, mainly by biased Abrahamic white magickal priests such as Agrippa.

Demons before there were categorized as such they were just old pagan gods from different tribes and cultures, such as Amon-Ra, that the Abrahamic tradition saw as bad or evil or negative due to not sharing the same values or personality as their saturnian god Yahweh.

Most of these gods or demons, astrologically represent shadow aspects of planets within the solar system.

They are primordial chaotic energies at the fundaments of the universe, it can also be understood as the Freudian ID.

The Qliphoth is a map to navigate through all these shadow aspects of each planet, although not all demons are part of it.

Beyond the solar system there are trans-qliphothic spheres ruled by other demons like Qemetiel and trans-sephirothic spheres ruled by angels like Mortifel.

Working with demons in this sense means working with shadow aspects of yourself.

Many LHP people who enslave demons or djinns for their usage instead of bonding with them in a balanced way are just dissociating themselves from their shadow and building more karma because of it.

Sure bro, I’ve used many white magickal audios for exorcism, banishing and stuff while working with Qliphas and I noticed that it got me more dissociated from my shadow, scared, paranoic and I started to have nightmares about being chased by it.

When I stopped with all that I was more whole again.

Raising vibration for the sake of it without addressing shadow it can lead to moments of peace and serenity but easily disrupted by tons of circumstances that are projected from your own shadow you’re trying to annihilate through white magickal means.

Is like using white magickal chants to kill the spiders that chase you in your dreams instead of letting them devour you or devouring them yourself to be transmuted into a more authentic alchemy in which those aspects are not dissociated anymore.

Many white magickal systems pursue dissociation from shadow. Which makes white mages more scared of their shadow and creates a circular vice.

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I gotta tell you, this is way beyond my level of expertise. Maybe someone else knows better.

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I’m getting little confused, if you want to work with demons for shadow work it is fine as so many do but if you want to do that as well and use Captain’s fields then unless he confirms better avoid it though i personally think as I said above they are only against low vibrational entities which are all around us but not like Goetic demons or some other demons who like helping people.

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I agree with finding a middle ground. This is a dual world and integrating your shadow and light is essential. The way I intergrate with my shadow is through just embracing the parts of me I reject. The parts of the world that are hated and rejected. As hard as it is, it helps create the wholeness/balance I seek.

That said, magickal work with demons and lower vibrational energies is nothing new. It does take more adept magickal practitioners to work with those energies more safely though. Some if not many lower entities often tend to take advantage of such workings and latch themselves to you or influence in a more entropic direction.

Also lead you down to a more ego centric path, full of lust and greed. It’s risky to a degree that I personally don’t see the benefit of working with these entities when that shadow integration work can be done without invoking entities that can fuck me over in the long run. They often want something in return too. Like work with lillith and she will at the very least want some of your energy as tribute like perhaps your sexual energy.

Nothing against all this. It’s just that middle ground and balance can be found without working with such entities. Good number of people create unnecessary problems in their lives by inviting these sorts of beings into their lives. I think that sort of work is best for highly experienced practitioners. Beginners or even intermediate practitioners are opening the door to negative possibilities.

As for using dream’s work for banishing and whatnot… they do not like it lol. They would attack dream quite a bit for others using sapien fields that banish them and whatnot haha. Just very uncomftorable energies for them.

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Of course they wouldn’t like it… :sweat_smile:
They are parasitic in nature, at least those which latch unto hosts.

This.
We are already capable of doing anything we need (above all potentially, since not everyone can create morphic fields when they want, that would take huge amounts of self work, energy mastery, detailed comprehension of concepts, etc., lots of work…), why would one choose a far more tumultuous path, to say the least, is beyond me,…, yet I can’t judge, anyone has the right to choose whatever path they wish.

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Yeah bro I can relate. The first time I summoned Zepar, I made some jokes about him and got forcefully possessed, which almost splitted my mind and got me a psychosis. But I was able to bond with him, embrace the possession and integrate him in a healthy way.

I didn’t know what tf I was doing at the time, and it could had been a very awful experience with dangerous results.

Same thing when I self-initiated through the Shaitanic current, I didn’t know it was for advanced practitioners and those spirits weren’t nice to me as a newbie, they just stripped away my Ego completely and left me with a volcano of emotions completely unrepressed, which was the most scary experience I’ve ever had after an entire life of repressing stuff like most normal people in society do due to social programming and coping.

I almost shitted myself. But it was a good lesson to learn.

Demons aren’t nice to people but they’re definitively part of a valid spiritual path same as any other.

The difference with angels is that they vamp due to being highly chaotic in nature, like black holes. But again, vampirism can be used in a good and healthy ethical way, authentically, you can vamp inauthenticity from people, you can vamp chaotic energy from a parent shouting at his kid, or illnesses, whatever, and bring more peace to the world.

Even little kids are more whole in their demonic and angelic parts than grown repressed adults in coping mechanisms.

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Well, children don’t repress. When they want to cry, they cry. When they feel anything, they let it out. Children are free spirits really.

Everything is vamping off of everything really. People around you are vamping off of you and you off of them. Mostly subconsciously though but there are definitely some do so deliberately.

All interaction is an energy exchange so it i just the natural course of things. All entities just directly know they are inherently vamping so it just appears more deliberate.

But yeh, left hand path is also valid. I just personally find it uncessaeily risky so I don’t dabble lol.

I would also recommend not to fall into vices, as lower beings will drag you down to much lower depths and just drain you endlessly. Happened to Crowley when he got hooked on opium.

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