Pancha mukhi Hanuman Homam

Hello Master Maoshan @Maoshan_Wanderer
My apology for tagging you here because I couldn’t send a PM. So, I wanted to ask for your insight.

Long story short, I met a balinese cultural scholar, he is quite reputable as he was entrusted to guide Jaggi Vasudev a.k.a. Sadhguru about balinese culture and its evolution, during his visit to Bali. I was enquiring him the similarities in regard of Tantra aspect within the culture of Bali and that of Tibetan Buddhist.


Tibetan Vajrayāna Buddhist Monk holding Bell and Vajra

I was pointing out that “Tantric aspect of Buddhism become a linking key between syncretism of Buddhism and Hinduism’s Shaiva Tantra within Indonesia, thus result in The Ciwa-Buddha, which currently a denomination of Hinduism concentrated on both the island of Java and Bali.” and then I enquire “So, can it be said that in Bali has utmost similarities with Tibetan Buddhism? or perhaps, influenced by it?”


Balinese Ciwa-Budha High Priest (Buddha) holding Bell and Vajra prior performing ritual

His reply was intriguing

"Bali is not influenced by Tibet.

The tradition centered in Nalanda split into two, with one branch going to Swarnadwipa-Yawadwipa and the other to Tibet.

Mahayana in Sumatra even became one of the foundational roots of Tibetan Vajrayana. Mahayana in Sumatra also developed in parallel in Bali. The Nalanda tradition is very important to revisit as a reference because many of Nalanda’s texts and manuscripts were preserved in Tibet, where they became a foundation."

I have to respect this person is a knowledgeable scholar of Nusantara (Indonesia), at the same time I have to acknowledge that he is neither from Tibet or a practicioner of Vajrayāna.

His reply sounds very intriguing, but without your clarification, I feel resistance to accept the part of “Mahayana within Sumatra being one of foundational roots of Tibetan Vajrayāna”. I feel like there is more nuance to it right?

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Well, Mahayana does form the philosophical basis of Vajrayana and this has been the argument from yore - with various degrees of truth. So perhaps that’s what he meant?

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I see, so there are more nuances to it

That’s what I thought. I can somewhat agree that it is a general information that the Vajrayana have philosophical foundation upon Mahayana.

But, you know this geohistory claim about “the philosophy which developed at Sumatra, Indonesia reach the Tibetan” sounds like too far fetched to me. Let alone become a foundational roots.

I practice Hinduism and I love my country ok, but, I have yet to seen historical evidence that state that Nusantara (Indonesia’s name at the past) have any degree of influences such as being foundation root for Tibetan Buddhism.

South East Asian? Sure, but, to reach Tibet? Nah :sweat_smile:

There is even a Vajrayana practitioner who voices disagreement to scholar’s statement as erroneous.

He further add “Basically, Buddhism that developed in Tibet was indeed influenced by local Tibetan culture. However, whether from the lineage of Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, or Gelug traditions, all of them recognize themselves as lineages or parts of Vajrayana Buddhism (instead of that developed on Sumatra Island)”

I mean the disagreement of mine and the practitioner toward said statement of the scholars sounds valid.

The culture scholar folk didn’t even bother to differentiate Mahayana and Vajrayana, let alone Tantrayana and Dzokchen, lol.

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Happy Hanuman Jayanti !!!

Shri Hanuman Jaya Hanuman Jaya Jaya Hanuman !!!

Play this today for showering blessings :bouquet::partying_face::four_leaf_clover:

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This truly did dissolve something while listening yesterday!!.:pray::partying_face: Arrows :bow_and_arrow:

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Can we eat non-veg while listening to this??

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I believe Hanuman blesses and honors vegetarian diet

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Jai Hanuman
Jai Ram
:relieved:

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