Projet Mérovingien {or History from French viewpoint} {Next: Deutschland} - - History Thread - The Many Manly Men of History, War and Civilizations

[SoulStar33]

@GamiroCFC

Funny enough, Borgia dinasty (They were Spaniards i think) had a plan to defeat and dominate the Comuni and unify the peninsula under their dominion in early 1500s

Who knows how much things would have changed if they have succeeded.
Maybe they would have created a colonial empire too, or even expand their borders in the neighboring regions, although both would have been highly unlikely.

Any colonial ambitions would have been blocked thanks to the Ottoman expansion and domination of Eastern Mediterranean region(s), I mean, the Ottomans crushed the Mamluks, conquered North Africa, conquered the Balkans and beyond and expanded further south in the Arabian peninsula and even further west, Italy wouldn’t have been able to mess with the Sultan, nor with France, who was a Mighty Kingdom, nor with any other big power, But Italy would have had a Great time anyway, as they were EXTREMELY Rich (first banks of Europe) while separated, but united as one, nobody would have messed with them, that’s for sure.

I have in plan to study the Borgias too, and the Medici and Other Dinasties and powers, I want to know much more, since I only have an overall picture of the history of Europe, with very few in depth info.

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Also, since i have mentioned the Ottomans, I need to post this in this thread too:

If the Ottomans haven’t blocked the Europeans to get cheap(er) goods, European powers would still have relied on their supply, and they wouldn’t have had to search for an alternative to the Silk Road(s)/Trade, which was owned by the Ottomans (in the Western areas of the renowned road), and Spain and Portugal wouldn’t have had to search for a new way to India/The East, and they wouldn’t have discovered the New World, nor colonize it.

[Replay]

I fall into the Rome as an idea camp—the main aspects being that there is a civic life, people can better their station through opportunities offered by the state, and that these stations were such that the rulers or governments powers were not absolute.

[SoulStar33]

That’s an interesting thought (which I like and agree with myself), after all, with time, things become less tangible and more intangibles, Ideas, Myths, Ideals, Paradigms, etc.

Rome is quite a unique case, maybe not so unique since it can apply to many things or anything really, but it’s interesting to see such a great range of possibilities, since for historians and fir anyone really, Rome can mean and it means one or many things.

[Replay]

When you try explain why Rome matters—all the technology has been globally distributed and surpassed long ago, so the aqueducts, marvels of ancient engineering that they were are no longer important as means of delivering water, but they are reminders that the legitimacy state is not simply a matter of possessing a monopoly on violence, but depends on delivering the amenities of life that technology provides. The aqueducts have passed into history.

And this is true about most aspects people obsess over. What’s important about the Roman Empire is that it managed to preserve some of the ideas/ideals of the Roman Republic. Where it failed, the names and words associated with that failure are synonyms for a debasement of human spirit—Nero, Caligula, praetorian, bread and circus, etc.

[SoulStar33]

VIKINGS!!

It’s time to get REAL And leave the (un)safe roads of Rome to discuss/for the last of the Barbarians: The Vikings!!!

Beard Wearing, Pagan, Barbarian Scum!!
And they navigated pretty much everywhere, established economic exchanges with anyone and pillaged and conquered Everything In their Sight!!

Before YOLO Was ROLLO!!

[Abcd]

Is there a way to like the tittle specifically??
“Before YOLO was ROLLO”

[SoulStar33]

You just showed the title, the love it deserves.

Now, it can pass away peacefully, knowing it was Loved (it will always remain in our memories) and a new title will arise, to take its rightful place.

[JAAJ]

@SoulStar33

Barbarian Scum!!

That we can fully agree on.

Long live Rome and the Western Civilization!

Spoilers about the Vikings series

It has filled me with so much pleasure and satisfaction seeing all those Vikings being killed off by the Frankish Empire in the Vikings series

I experienced even more satisfation when terrorist Ragnar Lodbrok was thrown into that snake pit to die a small meaningless death, exactly like he deserved for all of his crimes.

[SoulStar33]

Well, they brought some huge changes throughout Europe, from Britannia and Francia, all the way to the lands of the Slavs (They helped establish Russia and Ukraine, or rather their predecessors, Kievan Rus’) and even Italia (Norman Sicily) and Eastern Rome (Grikkland, the Varangian name).

They served as mercenaries, they established trade routes and even helped create or consolidate new states, so they weren’t the end of the world, and they helped things (to) not remain stale.

YET, they were far from the level of civilization that was already established in the Frankish Realm or in most lands they pillaged and terrorized, for that matter (at least the western ones were more civilized) (oops, and Obviously Byzantium was waaay above their level of civilization).

[Abcd]

Good

[Replay]

Viking warriors were fuelled by hallucinogenic herbal tea in a naked frenzy...

[Dr_Manhattan]

@JAAJ

Idk, I was rooting for the Vikings all the way myself

Though I gotta say, Hollywood must really hate French people deep down. Like they get in the writer’s room and they go “ugh, those effing people. Let’s make them really weak, degenerate, cowardly, what else ? Damn, I hate those frenchies” lol

At least the English kings were Machiavellian and doing Realpolitik you know.

They go get an Israeli or Swedish actor, make some over the top accent and it gets kinky, falls into mommy issues. They are always just sneaky, frail, can barely stand up straight with shifty eyes.

From the weak, creepy sadomasochist in the boys who likes being humiliated by girls to Napoleon who people have decided was a small insecure mental wreak who apparently declared war on all of Europe for some reason or that Frankish king in Vikings. Every single time.

Thank god, we’re not the “villainous Germans” but damn.

Anyway, rooting for the Vikings on this one man haha

If the Franks and Germanic people had kept it real, they wouldn’t have been invaded. Instead of waking up once in a while deciding enough is enough, time to be badasses.

Instead of robes and harps, they should have kept the carnyx

The ancient Celtic Carnyx.

You sometimes talk about weak men, they didn’t have that problem, but then they went soft.

The Romans went soft
Then the Franks and Germanic went soft
Then the Vikings went soft
Now, look at Europe

[JAAJ]

@Dr_Manhattan

Napoleon

Btw, I watched the new Napoleon movie.
It was the boring mess you predicted it would be.
A bunch of unconnected scenes, for 3 hours, with 80ies level CGI
Nothing about that movie was good, not even the trailer lol.
In the movie Napoleon gets cucked by an older woman and accepts being cucked and remains a weak crybaby for her. Not sure whether this is historically accurate? In the movie he was portrayed as this stereotype of “Alpha at work, little submissive bitch at home”.
Which means you are probably right, Hollywood hates French.
That is of course except when some entitled spoiled American chick “goes to Paris and meets the love of her life” clichee, then Hollywood wants to sell a “rom com”

[Dr_Manhattan]

@JAAJ

The Germans are evils the French are the cowards, degenerate perverts.

The dates were wrong, the chronology was wrong, they crafted this story out of thin air.

On the French movie review sites, guys went full historians complaining about all the inaccuracies it goes on for pages. It’s not like there was no stories, no letters, no official documents but they just don’t care.

Some events are even presented backward.

They had to make it about Josephine, they had to play this story of the corrupt king. They have the generic tropes ready to go; only need to put in the names of whomever they pretend to present.

They go to movie tropes library and they just change the names and other variables. The same old politically correct cliches

All of history is connected, so if your propaganda needs certain lies, you can’t be upfront about other events upstream cause then people are gonna notice patterns. Can’t let that happen. Why are these people fighting ?

Don’t know. Don’t care. Don’t ask. It’s all a cynical power conflict with no real ideological basis. They all want the same thing.

They’re at a point, they know if they get too honest and too balanced in their point of views, they will promote bad ideas against their interests.

So it has to be a meaningless story about greed with no real consequence besides casualties:

All these wars created their own new successive world orders. So, you can’t mess with that without undermining the current system:

Laws, political institutions, international organizations have been setup based on the results of these wars. Control of the story matters. If you disagree with the reasons for the war, then you probably disagree with the solutions that are still in place today.

So, the other guys were evil, they killed babies, end of story.

[Freedom]

@Dr_Manhattan

The Germans are evils the French are the cowards, degenerate perverts.

Seems the social engineering hasn’t changed much.

[SoulStar33]

@Dr_Manhattan

If the Franks and Germanic people had kept it real, they wouldn’t have been invaded

Absolutely. Although their lands would have still gotten the occasional raids and pillaging.

@JAAJ

Hollywood hates French.

I Agree. Hollywood despises the French. I wonder why. It’s just absurd.

[Dr_Manhattan]

@SoulStar33

I wonder why.

Same reason they hate Germany, same reason they hate Russia.

[SoulStar33]

Gothic being the language of Iberia in the 600s?

No, it was just the language of the local Germanic elites (fresh conquerors).
A western Latin dialect or rather multiple ones, those were the languages of the people (from which Castillan Spanish and Portuguese evolved).

Also, Slavic being the main language of Dacia (today’s territory of România), I dont think so, but there are historians and linguists who argue about this, who consider that latinisation spread from the south of the Danube into today’s Romania, and that there was no Latin speaking majority or maybe even minority in Dacia.

I personally think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Edit: or, at least for the Gothic part, maybe it meant that only in that small spot it was spoken (?)

[Drift]

@SoulStar33

Edit: or, at least for the Gothic part, maybe it meant that only in that small spot it was spoken (?)

I think so. The color in the rest is the West Romance one.

[SoulStar33]

If you have any favorite artifact(s) or one(s) you like, feel free to share.

Although I’m not really truly fascinated by any artifact, I find them interesting.

Here are some crowns from Europe:

Which one you like?

Some Background on the Romanian Crown: