Spiritual Revolution, can the whole system be eradicated or reformed?

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When I will die, I will try to gather as many souls as possible for a Revolution against the current Spiritual Order, against it all, since I find it all corrupted and only used to profit beings, hierarchically, as in the higher and stronger one soul gets more power it has and so forward.

I refuse to believe any man made doctrine and all spiritual paths.

I think it all needs to crash down or get reformed.

Why should a soul have to go through countless reincarnations or to have to submit to any authority, ever?

My idea is simple: you are free or you’re a slave.
And there are many slave masters over this and many realms.

They ALL have to go.

At least that’s my current view, it’s all BS technically done for a hierarchical horrid system where “Good” and “Bad” beings and possibly other parties rule the realms unseen and seen, it’s all a grand show to them, a sick system designed to keep the incarnated fools as slaves.

That has to end.

The whole samsara has to burn and it’s kings to get dethroned, and heavens and hells and all reality, destroyed or totally restructured.

That’s my vision as a soul: NO ONE HAS TO OBEY Anymore!

Disclaimer: it might be just a poor understanding on my part.
Maybe I am wrong.
But maybe I am not.
Technically I still have to grow countless times more to have a finer view of things…

Maybe this is just a soul who despises suffering and exploitation and simply wants it all to end or to be radically changed, for the good of ALL.

Suffering being used as a tool for the so called evolution of a aoul, I find it disgusting, also the need to be judged by any so called authority.

IF ONE TRULY IS EVOLVED, WHY SUFFERING?!
Why the circus of petty lives and countless miserable incarnations, suffering as a fool, for nothing, or well “to Evolve”…

Can’t evolution be done in a more EVOLVED way?

Just asking…

Anyway, one of those rare threads of mine, since I’m not usually creating newer threads nowadays.

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Of course it might all be done with our consent, but is it truly so?!

Higher Self seems sus to be honest lol…

Anything “higher” has me asking questions.

If we’re all ultimately one reality, is this the best the ultimate reality can do?

This BS of a shit show?

This incarnational madness?!

This shit place called Earth?
Possibly used as one of many facilities to indoctrinate, submit and enslave souls?

And call it all “evolution”?

I call it slavery.

I don’t know which alternative would be better, but surely we can do better than this collective creation…

Anyway, enough for today.

I question ALL Spirituality and ANYTHING any human being, spirit, God or devil has as a doctrine…
And countless other beings.

Obeying is the DEFAULT of this world: politics, religion, paying taxes, the whole system is corrupt(ed) and impure, only done and kept to actually favor the higher hierarchy, seen and unseen.
It is a bs word…

And it’s roots are in the unseen, astral and other realms.
There questions need to be asked, obeying need to stop being the default, then we’ll get a higher world in the material, naturally as well…
Anyway, just food for thought.
Out.

But maybe even a revolution, even in heavens or hells, can be hijacked and actually used not for anything good…
Or truly helpful for the whole.

Human body and human soul is conditioned to obey, breaking that spell might take tremendous efforts, thus why I think the true Revolution of the whole system can only be done in the spiritual higher realms…
Since unfortunately it’s a co-creation and as long as many souls are obeying, in all the realms, the shit shows continue…

But I’m sure it can all be changed.
Or destroyed and rearranged into something better.
For all…

Again, my fault is bold thinking, without having the full view of things…
Obscured or limited view = limited solutions or even an error in the thinking or higher thinking process…

Also, I’m not the only one who wants a better world and surely not the first nor the last being who wants to make a better existance for all…
Rather just one soul who’s had enough…

Done
Lol. For real this time.
Thanks for your patience.

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I dont think its something you can change. Thats like trying to rebell against nature and wanting to defy physical death lol.

According to Franz Bardon in Initiation into hermetics, our astral body, just like our physical body, is mortal. That means even if you are aware enough to pass the tests of bardo (I think a tibetan buddhist concept? I think Dream even made a field on that so one can overcome it), which can be considered the reincarnation trap where you are sent straight into another body, after some time the 4 elements that make up your astral body will disperse leaving nothing but your mental body behind which is immortal.

With your mental body alone you only have two choices, reincarnation or moving up to the mental plane (You need to be somewhat advanced to even have a choice between the two as well). Most humans would not want to dwell on the mental plane because its so bizarre.

Your astral body also carries your emotions, feelings and general personality. So once that body disperses into nothingness its pretty much a wrap.

The only way to “rebell” against this natural order of things is by picking one of the many spiritual/magical paths and systems that can lead to you not reincarnating anymore.

A revolution where you change the system is not possible.

Anyway thats just what I think and gathered in terms of info.

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Thanks for the info provided. :pray:

Maybe my thinking is in err, I do not know.

But what IF it can be done?!

Updating Life itself or reality itself?

Or it can only be done up to a point, but the more you go to the core of things, less change can be brought or not change at alll…?

Anyway, me not reincarnating anymore would already be a good step, at least for me personally.

For me the 3 great points I dislike: hierarchy/obeying, suffering and the tremendous limits we have, at least those 3 are currently on my mind.

But then desire, love, what our humans society usually calls love, these are also powerful catalysts for me too…

By wishing to experience love, I might be dragged into the whole shit show again…

Hopefully not.

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I think the biggest win that you can have against the “masters” is to create your little corner of paradise in this physical reality despite them, condaning them to irrelevancy at least for your current life iteration.

There is no spoon

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Thank You for the wonderful advice. :pray:

Indeed, it does sound like a path worth forging.

Also, in no way would I want to be an element of chaos, just for the sake of it, nor for myself nor for others, and if ever I would actually try something crazy, would be only if I would know What I am doing lol…

Enjoying life, despite it’s issues, has been my philosophy for years, so indeed, it can be done.

While I despise suffering, honestly I also love life, lol, the paradox…

Creating a better life for me after all is technically enough.
I do believe in the suzerainty of all the souls and of all life…
If other souls would desire reincarnation, that’s their prerogative after all.

As for me, reincarnating…
Honestly, rationally, I don’t want to.
On my other levels, i do.
Crazy stuff…

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I’ll be honest. I think your intentions and efforts are better used elsewhere towards your spiritual path

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It’s probably so.
Thank You for the advice. :pray:

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I also dislike Earth’s society,the rulers of this planet, the “Elites” their arrogance & ignorance, and lack of empathy, how they manipulate, brainwash, using fear control ppl, against others’ free will, and force them to obey. I also hate hierarchy, Bureaucratic, toxic authorities

I like justice, karma,free will ,love and empathy
But I don’t dislike this world, the source, higher spiritual beings, and my higher selves.
And I believe my higher self would never force me to reincarnate on the physical plane

My past self also thought life was a jail, but now it’s more like an experience to me, even a game. Earth is more like a place that helps me grow into a stronger, kinder person. Life is not all about suffering

tbh i still can’t forgive a few ppl who mistreated me and can’t forget the bad experience and the trauma I’ve been through, dislike this awful planet with a harsh environment for humans to survive
But I won’t hate this world bc of that

I hate the worm inside the dirt, but I don’t hate the flower bc of that

Disclaimer: i’m not judging your opinion btw , this is just my own opinion & point of view

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Thank You for being a Wonderful Being and for seeing the beauty, and not the dirt of this world.

My opinions are flickering, extremely volatile things…

Lol, if I would die today I wouldn’t care about any revolution in the spiritual realm… :sweat_smile:

So, yeah, my words, my opinions?

HIGHLY volatile lol…

Still, I sometimes think like that.

Its like I have a high volume of “me”, countless versions which I can tap into, and not necessarily in a schizo way, those versions are literally me, no dissociation, just extreme flexibility in my way of being…

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That’s a fine way to look at things.

Sometimes I do see life like a game.

LESS so nowadays, since my life was so harsh…

But I used to view it like a game or almost a virtual experience… sometimes.