So does it seem to you that this Jing is providing its support, even as the subject of this topic?
sibjectively speaking yes. can only say for myself.
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thanks for sharing!
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I suggest try the Freedom course instead. As itās said to be more effective version of SEE system.
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Thank you man, i think thats the one am doing that right now. The alchemy of gris its called. 
everybody know damn well quitting porn donāt do any of that alone.
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I didnāt watch porn nor masturbated from 16 to 18. Definitely didnāt give me āchadā genetics xD
P.S: Iām not defending porn.
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you donāt become a chad you become a normal human or to put it better you become your normal self. Then if you go do workouts I guess you will be more manly looking.
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Oh lord. If you think he is too against porn, wait until you witness my future rampage on porn. It is literally, the worldās most dangerous and urgent crisis as of current. And Iāve only ever heard women not understanding this (not meaning to be sexist, just an observation).
There is a reason why IDF (Israeli defense forces) used porn as a psychological warfare weapon in the battle of Ramallah back in 2004 I believe it was (google it). It is that powerful and extremely dangerous to society.
Porn is more urgent, and dangerous than any Ukraine war, any climate crisis, or anything going on in the world now, to say the least. I wish I could make you understand, I am fairly certain of that you wonāt, and instead think Iām crazy or delusional (most likely going to show in your reply, but Iād happily be proven wrong there)
It is literally my lifeās mission to start a non-profit org. to get men out of porn addiction. I have researched and experimented with this subject for 7 years now.
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Ultimately this post if from a year or more ago, It would be unrealistic to say I have not shifted my perspective not even slightly, because, of course I have.
But my main point and observation has not changed.
I hear you, if this is the case then the reasoning behind is men being more subject to fall into the ādesperationā of porn, which in turn creates deeper problems for them in their adult/more conscious life
Which has been my point from the time of the post, the presence of deeper issues towards sexual matters and their reflection in āoverly blamingā porn without taking personal contributions into account.
Then another issue being less inclusivity of other peopleās experiences and how porn may have affected them differently. Back then, there was another thread on porn that had many people sharing different experiences with porn on their lives!
I do not like a āblack/whiteā approach to life in general, to observe something as the ultimate villain shifts our minds from taking responsibility, and from the main villain, our own actions.
(which is not a villain and is just what we knew best at the time. Grace with the Self is also important)
Thatās awesome man! Itās much better that you had the experience yourself, of course I donāt wish you were ever harmed from it, But it is always the greatest help we can offer when we had been through it ourselves! I hope bumping into your future organization is a turning point to anyone who comes across it!
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Extremely positively surprised and obvious proven wrong in my original statement.
I wish you the best as well.
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Also - just to add. Iāve quit a dozen of addictions, benzo, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, amphetamines and you name it. Some of them I were addicted to for 15+ years.
Let me tell you that NONE of them came close to being as hard of an addiction to quit as porn. All of those above were complete jokes in terms of how hard it was to quit porn. And porn is something that is free, and so easily accessible to young males who has no idea how much it will harm them.
I believe there are a lot of biological reasons as to why itās harder for women in general to understand the severity of this addiction. First we have the fact that men has about 13-15 times more testosterone on average than women , which is the main sex hormone. Then, we have the biologically ingrained feeling of āconqueringā and success, which results in your own value being raised, which results in more women wanting you, because women seek high value men in general. Biology as we know it would not exist otherwise. Porn is a shortcut to that ārewardā , in their conscious mind, because itās so much easier, itās like a cheat code to feeling good and successful for a short moment, scrolling through endless of naked women, more naked women than men 100 years ago would see in a life time, i can view in 10 minutes on my screen.
My subconscious does not know the difference between pixels and reality. That is the severity of this, and the danger. So while i think Iām enjoying myself, rewarding myself, i will pay the price afterwards in shame and low self esteem and having no idea why (because it felt so good, why would i feel bad afterwards?)
No successful man in the entire world watches porn on a regular basis, I will bet my life on that. You can be successful and then start watching porn and watch your success dwindle away though, several celebrities had that happen to them before they fixed it (50 cent used to be a porn addict, one of many examples)
Porn creates weak men, no woman is interested in a weak man. They dull the senses, and creativity, and even effeminate men.
There is a reason as to why this āCuckoldā fetish has become so popular since pornography was introduced - this was something that barely existed before porn. Men are literally conditioning themselves to become weak cuckolds and teaching their brain patterns of that it is more enjoyable to watch and be passive and weak, than to be active, strong, assertive and inspirational, and actually have sex because he can turn the woman on. Much of this was already explained by JAAJ - he understands exactly how it works.
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ahhh let me walk you through the other side then :)
But before, I actually get the idea of something that is incredibly severe that feels finally understood by someone, a group of people, having shared similar experiences, and āknowā how the effects were, and still are.
Youāre a hero for starting a new life without all these substances btw! Thatās a lot of consistency and Iām sure it is paying off!
congratulations for such a long streak! :)
Now, a few things here:
ā this concept of āonly a certain group understands me/thisā truly doesnāt help in the long run. I always see the first step in forgiving yourself, letting go of all the guilt and shame, is to feel that you are understood.
when we donāt feel we are seen, it means there is still a part of us that wishes to experience thisā¦ it means that even us are not āunderstandingā ā¦ as bad as we want it, is as bad we could think people donātā¦
But if we look around, we find how many are looking back at us, in acceptance, in understanding, having thought the same themselves too, but only to find a lot more people actually āget itā¦ā
there are many variations also to how we understand other people experiences, no two people will ever experience the same thing in the same way, but we all can see through each other, we all can see what our experience mean to usā¦ we all can observe, even if differentlyā¦ it does not change the fact of the spectrum of understanding, and ultimately understanding, itself.
for me, I have this ability of seeing things in their good, in their bad, in their gray areasā¦ I will see your experience while also acknowledging that some had it differentlyā¦ I will see the pain but also understand how it is inflicted ā¦ I will see through the reasons but also understand that it is fully of oneās doing and at the same time, not.
And so many people can see things this way, or in any different way that allows them to see the full picture. Truth is, sometimes it is also harder when we are still in the waters! when we are the one affected. but a reminder from the people around or shifting to see someone else wearing our shoes is a step among many, back and then forward :)
we are more seen by people than we realize.
About porn,
not only it is free and accessible to everyone, but it also acts on the reflection of self. the part where you āwishā you were in the same place as the actors, the part that stimulates your presence over there, doing all the moves that you see on the screen. they feel real, they feel as if they are in your touch, but they arenātā¦ but one goes back to it, again and again, the images, the visualsā¦ the āsensoryā experience. this, dangerous part of porn.
and do you know what the dangerous experience of porn is like to us ladies?
Luckily, sex hormones are present in females and males, so the hormonal part is widely effective in all humans. But, you know what else is special about womenās hormones? Our cycle.
The hormonal cycle of the female is not a straight line of morning pump and moderate drop throughout the day. It is not a pump that is activated on demand on a trip to the gym.
It is a cyclical functioning of a full reproductive system that when unbalanced, quite literally ātakes overā the bodily functions and their āTasksā that should be performed normally.
Imagine a porn addict, female, who has her brain connected to porn for Basic hormonal functions, like a monthly period.
(the release of the eggs being controlled by addiction??)
or a porn addict, female, who has her hormonal progesterone unregulated by higher estrogen being taped to porn?
or another, who has lower estrogen but higher progesterone because thatās where all the porn spice is?
To us, it is not only testosterone , but a blend of the 3 hormones (and a few more!) that work to regulate our whole hormonal cycle and reproduction. Now when a full body function is āRegulated by pornā ā¦ How messed up do you think a whole cycle can be?
Now moving to the social aspect, men have hard wiring towards conquering, yes. observing the self-worth only on how far a man is desired by woman. Itās a pressure, Itās unbearable to endure from such a young age, that without his women he is nothing, and the more, the merrierā¦ How can any man truly love a woman if that is what he has been conditioned to all his life?
See, a meeting point between genders has not really existed on a more ācollectiveā levelā¦ Because while men are pressured into being the knight of the day,
women are also pressured to be the āModelā of the night.
Porn reflects the satisfied woman to you, (who isnāt satisfied at all), the moves that made her do this and thatā¦
Porn reflects the unrealistic, ideal, non existent woman to us, who is pressuring herself 10 folds to be in what the screens showā¦ It reflects the fantasy, the woman who you must become, this is how you should moan, and this is how you should look, this is how you should be treated, and this is how you should do itā¦
It messes us up equally.
Just in a different direction.
And not just that, we walk out of it to the real world constantly getting bombarded by the same thingā¦ Everywhere. On TV ads, Magazine covers, Oh noā¦ In paving your way through!
Tie your hair up in a professional work place, you let your hair down, you are now their snacc and you are not taken serious.
Everyone pays the price, zanderos. Society, as a whole, pays the price. Men never learn how to actually read a womanās body, Women do not know how to have conscious sex, Men open up their lives thinking they had these women he saw on the screen, and growing entitled to womenās bodies. When in fact, it is really how much he thinks he ācanātā have one, because of porn.
Yes, porn addiction is for no successful individual, and I reckon the āsuccessā finally being reflected in multiple women in and out is also another real-life experience of porn.
It is.
a recreation. Just in real life. More and more unconscious sex. More and more āfake rewardsāā¦ More and more empty places filled for a passing moment.
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Indeed - I will however not agree on that porn is remotely as dangerous or bad for women as it is for men, it is not a competition though, women have a ton of other dangers, being raped, abused and what not, and there are a ton of help centers for that in the world luckily, and hopefully that is something that will keep growing.
Now, how many help centers are there for porn addicted men, how widely known are these dangers? Not at all, and is often dismissed by society (just as the fact that men in general commits more suicide than women, is also not a big deal or something actively fought for). There are almost no, zero help centers for men and there is a shame and taboo-feeling related to that.
I understand there are cycles, I understand the woman body very well, Iāve had my fair share of sexual experiences with them, iāve even had an app funny enough, that kept track on one of my dates cycles, when she was ovulating etc, so I knew when she wanted it rough, and when she wanted more of a caretaking/cuddle time or āmaking loveā so to speak, and she kept telling me how well i read her needs, haha. I might be perceptive, but Iāll give the app most of that cred.
Either way, the bodyshaming in general is not related to porn only, that has nothing to do with the subconscious parts of lowering the self esteem to the extreme and placing oneself at the absolute bottom of the hierarchy by watching porn, the body idealism and everything is in all platforms, youtube, television, commercials. Iām not going to bother with that, sorry.
This is about porn alone for me, itās my only interest, and my only aim. And it will be mainly aimed to help boys, and help them become men rather than boys/manbabies. Girls/women with porn addictions will absolutely be welcomed too, i will not exclude anyone. Itās just I will build and tailor it to a hundred percent for males.
Thatās that. I donāt care if iām stepping on toes either, iām very, very dedicated and firmly set on this, as well as I am on my beliefs about this. They will not budge a millimeter towards any other direction than the current one. One may have opinions on that itās bad, unhealthy, immature. I donāt care really, this is my mission and my end goal. Peoples opinion on this is not something I take in to consideration in to the slightest, maybe i do in other things, where iām more open but in this regard I will stay extreme. Extreme is an understatement by the way.
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i had same observations about women point of view on all this
your feedback here is precious to me as gold @Desiree !
i adore your bravery and your clear thoughts and words on the subject.
i for one have one more provocative fact.
most women i know or knew have had a blockadge in their sex center.
this has caused alot of pain in me for i feel it in them.
this block has the words: i am not allowed to experience the joy of it.
and what you describe with the social pressure of porn on women prooves just how this modern society will block women down there to use their desires in another matter. to channel their sexual energy for capitalistic even goalsā¦so the shopping frienzy goes on.
how come it is normal and accepted and publicied: a woman enjoys shokolate more then sex.
why? how come? and how our cruel society accepts this?
you know? i imagine in the āācivilised worldāā there is a spiritual clitoral āācircumsisionāāā¦without body damage but all so cruel. and as you may also observe with same effect.
thanks for hearing me out and a deep gratitute for your post!
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I honestly wish porn never existed. I wish porn is so illegal to where if anyone makes porn or watches gets arrested or has to pay a fine.
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The thing is that porn has always existed with humanity.
Just look at those ancient greek urns, ancient roman wall paintings, ancient indian statues etc.
It is the consequence of our current homo sapiens genetic setup.
Making something against the law that your limbic brain is hardwired to seek, will only lead to more perverted outlets of that repressed energy.
Repression of sexual outlets with human laws will only lead to even more shame, crime, rape and perverts.
The solution is to convert unhealthy outlets of the sexual energy into healthy and constructive outlets. But that energy is here to stay.
Most likely, we as a human species can only fully progress away from porn by collective genetic limbic brain changes and subconscious reprogramming.
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Me canāt read
me know Porn bad 
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So, how do we defeat this monster? How do we get back to what we were before they poisoned us? Are there specific fields that could help or some kind of methods/books that helped you overcome this addiction? I personally found EasyPeasy a very good free source.