The thing about 'Entities' & Curses

Because you are addressing several different layers but smushing it into one cake (i think lol)

We- as in humans- are not as grandeur like imagined
It is a subtle truth but a truth that hurts the Ego (ego as in the annon reading this; the mind, the “I”) considerably at first.
But like how we accept how we must breathe in oxygen in order to sustain life, similarly thats the same thing; it just is. If the only truth is Source, but Source is not this annon (as in the mind, the intellect) how can these high/self relevance notions hold true-
Now however man , at the same time, holds within him Source; therefore, we are also source.

So thats confusing isnt it you might say
On one hand they are saying no self importance then on another, are asserting
We are Source
but source has no attachments you see
Self importance implies “i” the ego
The source is devoid of any such things.

It is hard to conceptualize at first for the lay man because this beauty thats held within him is veiled in a a heavy mist; like clouds- but thats where the game for life comes in; its removing those clouds- when you do- i think what we are trying to explain would make more sense

So then by default you inevitably love yourself; because Source is nothing but an endless waterfall of love; so you practice love because that - its very essence is love - so then you too, and naturally resonate and remain at such a level. humble another very important trait too. Humble is when a human understand it is important to lower is self-importance, his “ego” but that is not to say that is equivalent to the notion that they feel or are unworthy; because they are worthy, of course they are, they have a sanctuary held within them!
But that sanctuary’s blessings have allowed them to understand all “this”.
Theres a saying medicine served bitter is medicine served best; because it forces you to confront the parts to yourself that need not just healing; but transforming.
And when we transform, meaning rise higher in vibration and with understanding these “conceptual realization”
whats being said on this thread sounds much less cryptic than some may at first percieve
:)
You have to be of this world as much as you are not of this world

But again not trying to impose this upon anyone; please forgive me if it appears that I am :)

Or maybe ive read this entire convo wrong idk
If so nvm me :no_good_woman:t3:

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the way you put that is very beautiful

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I’ll share my take on it.

I love myself because I am myself. I don’t need a reason to love me. Love feels awesome and leads to more positive experiences. So why not love myself?

Finding myself important tends to be a way for my ego to put me above others. I don’t believe I’m above anyone. I try my best to see everyone as equal (not perfect at this).

And no I’m not 100% selfless, I certainly do things for myself and I live for myself so of course I consider myself first. But I’ve become selfless enough to put others before me if need be. To be selfless is to be believe we’re all one so why classify some people as more important than others?

That’s just me though. Of course, my logical brain will tell me that beyonce is more important than the average woman because she influences millions of women at a time. But my right brain tells me beyonce is all those women and all those women are beyonce too. They’re both the same water that flows through everything.

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Thank you for the input

:slightly_smiling_face:

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Exactly. We automatically label phenomena as negative or positive without even noticing. Negative can be so subjective… just the fact some people find pleasure in pain goes to show that.

But regardless of that, the whole point is to not even classify negative as positive either. The point is to not react and be able to choose how you feel about something. We don’t notice it but we rarely ever get to choose how we feel about something. Our mind already has everything labeled negative and positive, to the point that we are always automatically triggered by the world and our thoughts.

And the reason why focusing on your negative thoughts is important is because you are rejecting energy that is a part of you. Rememebr, energy cannot be created or destroyed… only transmuted. When you try to push it away with positivity or clear it off, the root cause of the energy if it hasn’t been dealt with… will return. The energy is a part of you. It’s in your memories. It’s biological at that point.

The whole point as wellbeing said, is to reintegrate that energy back into your flow. It is a blockage within. Like water that turned into rock (due to being repressed and pushed back) and that rock is now blocking the rest of your energy flow in some way. To disintegrate thar rock is to acknowledge it, accept it and reintegrate it through love, embrace, appreciation or simple observarion really. In essence, it all comes down to ‘accepting what you reject.’ That is the basis of it. It sounds complicated but it’s not.

It’s just difficult because our subconscious/ego make it very difficult to accept the things that we already built thought patterns/beliefs of rejection against. We naturly get push back. But acknowledge the pushback.

Acknowledge that it makes you uncomftorable. Acknowledge your fear. Don’t fight ans say it’s your ego making you fearful or your subconscious. Doing this continues to feed the separation between you and all the energy within. Be accountable for your energy and your feelings and slowly you may regain control over them.

Now of course, that doesn’t mean the pain is good for you. Negative can be classified as anything destructive. If something feels destructive

It is probably not best to classify a home invader neutrally. But

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Do you think you could give an example of how this can be done, in our daily lives?

Let’s say we have a negative thought that we don’t like, we don’t want to focus on it because we don’t want to experience/manifest it but we don’t want to push it away either-

What does accepting it look like in practice

What do you say to yourself?

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hey i bump you! @SammyG i wanted some audios.

on the topic…i think it is per nature that we fear this what is unseen and what we cannot grasp. there can be a good point to start… accepting that there are invisible hidden energies that influence.

i for me had very heavy blockadges to accept the influence of so called dark magic and rituals.

interestingly enough with accepting enteties i had no probs, but with magic: big ones… i was too proud perhaps and waited too long before i used the Audio for it.

Great question Jen. I see wellbeing typing so I’m sure he’ll have a great answer as well. I plan to talk about this in greater detail soon enough but I’ll give a few pointers.

For one, mindfulness is key. If you don’t notice yourself reacting, this information is almost pointless. You end up remembering after the fact and never notice while you are reacting. Meditating daily is essential. It’s the only way your brain creates a pattern of consciously being awsre of the present… even if nothing is happening.

The issue with meditation is that often, the secons we try to silence our minds, we become aware of our anxiety. We get the urge to ge ton the phone. There is a discomfort that is present. And that discomfort is what we all try to escape through being on the phone, thinking of random things, ext… when you feel that uncomfotrable feeling… confront it.

Feel it. Acknowledge you feel it. That it comes from you. Why do you feel it? Really answer that for yourself in your mind. Accept that you feel it
Don’t fight it. Acknowledge it. By acknowledge, I mean take responsibility for feeling it. By doing so, you are reasserting yourself as the thinker. Now let me give an example.

Let’s say you are extremely insecure of your jawline. There is a party coming up that you already said yes to. You want to go but at the same time… you don’t want to go. Thinking about the party makes you anxious so you keep distracting yourself with other things. So… you decide to meditate.

You feel this discomfort heavily. You decise to confront it and accept the discomfort. Welcome it. And think to yourself, why am i feeling this way. You probably already know why but you start thinking of how you get uncomftorable around groups of people. And then you accept the feeling that comes with that. You acknowledge that you have social anxiety. You accept that you have it. Then you ask yourself why do you get uncomftorable, then your jaw insecurity comes up. You reject your jaw. A part of your physicality. This rejection represses your personality and whole beingness from being free with itself. But you don’t fight the rejection. You acknowledge that you don’t like your jaw and think its ugly. You acknowlwdge your feelings about it. You own these thoughts. They don’t own you.

And then, as you are at the root. You aren’t fighting with your thoughts or insecurities. You can choose now. There is no duality. There just is at this point. Choose to accept your jaw as it is. Accpept it may not look as amazing as it could but that it is your jaw. You are it. It’s a part of you and you embrace it just cause.

And often, your subconscious will continue giving your rationalizations of why your jaw is atill ugly and can’t be accepted. Especially when you see sexy jaws lol. But as those thoghts flow, they won’t bother you if acknowledge yourself thinking them and you accepting you are thinking. And at the same time, accepting the u comftorable feeling. Becauae that is the essence of it.

How you feel about yourself in that regard is the discomfort and when you accept that discomfort. When you consciously allow it, it dissipates and isn’t a repressive force pushing on you anymore. Your subconscious/ego shuts up about iit finally.

Easier said than done obviously. I would recommend listening to Ego dissolution, then trauma release or stress release or even forgiveness. Whatever field that can help bring whatever you want to work on to the surface. Focus on what is making you uncomfyorable. Feel that discomfort. Confront your feelings. You are in control of your mind. You are all of your mind. Your body. Your spirit. The faster you believe this, the faster you attain that control that you already innately have.

Then listen to higher self, any of our higher vibe fields or even love gratitude appreciation (classic right there). And while listening, accept rhe discomfort. Accept that ‘negative’ energy until you just percieve it as ‘is’. Not negative, not positive. Just is. To allow it to flow back into your whole energy flow. You can consciously love the energy after accepting it to more quickly reintegrate.

When life happens, it is hard to gain control over our emotions in the way that I’m saying. But that part takes time. It takes gaining mindfulness and building resilience. I meditate every morning during a cold shower. Cold shower to prep me to be accepting of discomfort and I just accept whatever that cold feeling gives me. And always, it just doesn’t become cold/negative anymore. It just becomes water. It’s really the same with day to day life.

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I tried to explain it as best I could but I know it still might not click. Hard to put it into words but if you have questions. Ask away.

As it will help me find better ways of explaining it.

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Thank you for that. You explained it well.

You’re saying even if we don’t accept the “thing” right now whatever it may be, we can accept the part of ourselves who won’t accept it.

(And I didn’t miss the fact that mindfulness and meditation is everything, but the above stuck out for me as well)

Do I have that right?

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should i wait or should i go to bed…

Did you use the glory tag for this thread? :grin:

Incredible streak of posts man. I think you should write a blog. Maybe something on the Enlightened States website even, like a personal blog attached to your profile. Would be very cool.

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Yes! That’s a great way of rephrasing it :slight_smile:

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Lol haha nah. I just felt compelled to write these things cause of personal experiences. I also found a way to describe things I hadn’t quite been able to put into words yet.

But I don’t think what I am saying is new at all either.

There have been others that have said the same in different ways as well. I just never quite understood those things as clearly as I have recently.

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Won’t be able to do that pop up webinar thingy :confused: Oh well, it’s for the best. This way I can plan it better so more people can go when I get back.

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This is such a great post, thank you.

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we live in this world… it is very real. (where these things are very solid)
Anyone saved this post? I missed it.

I mean negative emotions caused by events that my body and mind deemed traumatic, and they linger in the background from time to time.

So when you say this are you meaning that instead of fearing or ignoring it, to see the relationship a different way? What if you simply don’t see another way to see the thing other than negative? Like the event/thing was just not good, and seeing it another way makes it almost like your justifying what happened by giving it your approval?
It’s like that thing traumatized you to where part of yourself kinda logged out, for a lack of better words, and trying to retrieve this part of yourself which is inherently pure, but was tainted by the negativity, it’s like trying to get something out of a tight hole.

By this I basically meant that what you focus on grows, which is what originally brought me to the idea that focusing on your negatives and shadow side may just manifest more of that?

I think in law of assumption this can be called your self concept which is the story you have created, like the character that you experience life through.

For me it feels like someone forcing you to see these terrible things, almost like your strapped to a chair and it’s like you’re being tortured because your reliving the experience that traumatized you.

Which removes then energetic “charge” that would be necessary to manifest the negative situation? Kinda like putting out a fire?

What if this something that happened to you, feels so wrong and unjustifiable? What if it just simply isn’t ok? How do you go about healing it? Through forgiveness? One thing that I think about is that you wouldn’t ever go through something you can’t overcome

And this can all be done through simple silent observation? When you do healing practices, is that observation?
I can observe many things, like the negative feelings when they come up, I sometimes ask myself what if questions, like “what if it isn’t really that bad”, or “what if this is turning out just how I wanted?” Does this still count as observation, or is this a healthy way to change your relationship with the thing?

but I just feel the compulsion or conviction to do something to change this negative thing, I feel restless until I oppose it, and that works, but it feels like it’s only a matter of time until I have to fight again. I feel like I have to fight.
^^^ I wrote this at first, then I thought to myself “that sounds like a victims mindset” I know that I’m more than capable to do exactly what is needed. I’ll keep that there just for some extra information though.

Would it be like: a thought or emotion comes up, and you simple stay as the observing presence until that feeling naturally dissipates, and over again until it’s gone?

Can I then do the mental work (visualization, affirmations etc) to change the event and experience it’s polar opposite which is the desirable version? When I think about doing that, I get a feeling of forgiveness and compassion towards the event/thing. Is this good?

I’m sorry but could you please remind me of this? I sadly forgot, sorry about that.

What could possibly be useful about constantly dwelling on these things that you obviously don’t like?

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You described for me (thank you) “negative emotions” (I understood that). But you didn’t describe what you meant by “dealing with.”

I’m going to recommend that you get into a habit of replacing the ideas of “positive” and “negative” with the ideas of “wanted (by me)” and “unwanted (by me),” which is what most people are meaning when they talk about “positive” and “negative.” This sort of replacement will help you with what you’re asking about (and I’ll mention some ways it’ll help in a moment).

That’s fine, and understandable even, because you haven’t yet practiced yourself into ways of seeing that differently. But that doesn’t mean you don’t have the ability to do it. It just means you haven’t yet practiced yourself into this new way.

It’s like when you were learning how to walk. Just because you had always crawled before, that didn’t mean you didn’t have the ability to walk. You had feet and legs and the muscles and systems to control them. You just had to practice yourself into using all that you already had so that you were able to walk…which you did!

There is always a different way of seeing everything, whether you’ve discovered that different way for yourself or not. And the mere existence of the countless numbers of psychologists, psychiatrists, analysts, counselors, shrinks, therapists, social workers, coaches and whathaveyou that exist right now throughout our planet have to be some evidence of the truth behind that bold-faced assertion of mine. Now, I’m not saying that you have to use any of those professionals (although sometimes it can be of great benefit to have a guide on your journey). Whether you go it alone or you have some help (just like you might have used the help of holding onto furniture or a more stable adult when you were learning to walk), always keep in mind that, with everything in life, there’s always a different way of seeing everything. And you must believe this in some parts of your life or you wouldn’t be here on a forum such as this where we see things very differently than the great majority of the world.

IME, I’ve seen two biggest stumbling block (to carry on with my “learning to walk example” :slightly_smiling_face: ) that trips people up when they are first practicing their skills. The first is that they look at their “thing” as a single unit, when it’s really a combination of subunits or of aspects. (I’m going to switch analogies on you here! hehe) It’s like a big whacking steak. No matter how beautifully it’s cooked and how much you might like steak, if you look at it as one single unit and try to cram it all in your mouth at once, you’re going to have a harder time of enjoying than when you cut it down into smaller, manageable, bite-sized pieces that you can comfortably and enjoyably work through that big whacking steak.

The second stumbling block (and this is far more common, and sort of similar to the first) is that people try to reach too far. They want to try and go from “this thing is AWFUL!!!” to “this thing is good,” all in a single step. (Yep, we’re back to the “baby walking” analogy again! :slightly_smiling_face: ) But that’s not how any of us move about our planets. We don’t live in Star Trek. There are no transporters. We can’t “beam” from where we are (“AWFUL!!!”) to where we want to be (“good”).

When we want to get anywhere in this world, we make progressive shifts from where we are towards we want to be. We learned this even before we learned how to walk. And as we were learning how to walk, we learned the value of starting off with small shifts (perhaps of the weight from one side to the other or a shift of our foot a quarter-inch in front of us, etc.) towards where we wanted to go and, in time, we found that we can do bigger and bigger shifts for ourselves. The morale from this stumbling block: don’t try to reach alllllll the way over to making that old thing “good.” Start by aiming for finding ways to look at it so that it was, truly, “a little less negative.” Sometimes, we have to talk ourselves in off of a ledge before we can start to–effectively–leave the building, you see?

So far, this all has been hypothetical (which I don’t like because I find it to be unhelpful), so let’s put some of this into practice. For example (and this is NOT a criticism, simply an illustration):

Although this is a common way of talking in the languages that I know, this here is a big whacking “steak.” Just because this is a common way of talking and that all the people around us may talk like this doesn’t it make it helpful to us.

If this were my “steak ,” the first thing I’d want to do is to start cutting it down to size. Now, just like with an actual steak irl, there are many, many different ways and strategies we could use to cut down our mental “steaks.” (And that discussion is beyond the scope of a forum post or even the scope of this forum.) Play with it, and I’m emphasizing that attitude of play there. Start off with an attitude of a treasure hunt, because there is treasure to be found there–in a very real sense–for you and by you!

I understand what you’re meaning here. And a lot of people would join you in this idea.

But you (and, again, I say this with NO criticism) are posting that in a thread where we’ve been discussing (and let me break this down, so you can follow along):

  • “entities” & curses,
  • how those “entities” might be human constructs or creations,
  • how those curses might be placed even without the curser’s conscious awareness,
  • how our own traumas (and–to me, more importantly–how our replay and active habits of vibration from those traumas) make us more susceptible to these “entities” & curses

on a forum where we elsewhere discuss:

  • the chemical consequences of our energetic vibration on our physical bodies and
  • the role of our “lower” vibration plays in many diseases and
  • the contribution that our individual vibration plays in this world and the galaxies beyond.

When you look at your statement in that context, don’t you want to say, “Huh?” Doesn’t your logic make you want to start questioning your notion of giving it approval? Because that’s something you’re adding to this discussion. We’ve been talking about healing YOURSELF, for YOURSELF. “Approval” isn’t a factor here. In fact, your “approval” probably wasn’t a factor at that time. IOW, it’s likely that your “thing” happened in spite of your lack of approval.

So (and all of that–and what follows–is me giving you an example of seeing something in a different way), what you’re sort of saying to us is “I’m using my notion of ‘approval’ as my reason to give myself ‘vibrational poison’.” Now, you have the total freedom, sovereignty and power to choose to do that. You do. This is like taking poison yourself and hoping that something or someone else will die. Poison doesn’t work like that.

And at that time, knowing what you knew at that time then, this was the smartest, wisest decision that you could make for yourself back then. Good for you! And that was a helpful decision for you back then.

Since then, though, time has moved on and as time has moved on, you’ve learned more things. You know more now, so you are now able to make different choices for yourself now. You can choose to do something other than kinda log out, if that’s what you want. (Your call.)

What do you want? Do you want to leave this part abandoned, alone or separate? Do you want the rest of “you” to be fragmented or “broken,” if you will? (In quotes, because I don’t believe anyone is ever broken.) What do you want? Again, your call. YOU get to choose.

That’s wonderfully poetic but are you seeing the contradiction there? How nothing can be “pure” and “tainted” at the same time?

This brings to me to another helpful tip. I’ve found it’s really helpful to do the type of shifting that I’ve been talking about in writing (ideally, handwriting, but in writing nonetheless). Writing fixes our fleeting, poetic ideas onto paper or screen, much like a lepidopterist fixes their specimens onto cardboard so that they can examine the specimens.

I understand. The important thing (to me) is that you CAN get something out of a tight hole, if that’s what you want.

I understand. I think the truth is much broader than that popular meme.

I understand that that’s your current way of looking at this method. But, in reality, no one’s strapping you to anything. And I’m not saying this to try and get you to do something you don’t want to do. I’m saying this in the context of your question about “seeing this thing in ways other than negative.” No one’s strapping you to anything. There mayn’t even be a chair involved. And if you were to do it, it would be your CHOICE.

You’re free to look at this however you want and to tell whatever story you want. However you look at this or whatever story you tell about this will affect your experiences and your results, both of those I’d call your “manifestations.” Here too, you get to choose. Your call.

I’m going to suggest that, on some level, you’re already reliving that experience, if only that part that you logged off/split off. You see, when you split that part of you off, the rest of you went on to live the part of your life which followed, but you probably didn’t bring along that part that you split off. In all likelihood, that part of you doesn’t even know that that old experience has ended.

And even referencing it–if only by the general title of “that event”–directs your mind to it, activating it, taking another (teeny) dose of that poison.

What’s worse? Reliving it in a controlled manner (with or without qualified support) for a finite period of time with the intention of lessening and lessening the dose of poison so that you’ll be finally be free of it? Or a lifetime (or more, if you believe in karma) of microdosing (or more) on your poison? Your call, your CHOICE. No one can make that decision for you.

Exactly. (And doesn’t the fact that you came up with the metaphor of a fire suggest to you what this experience is doing to you?)

Then you have more shifting–and relief–available to you.

And you brought this question up at the perfect time. There’s relief to be felt as you’re doing the healing shifts (regardless of which methodology you choose) we’ve been talking about, just like there’s relief when you put out a fire.

I love this! Because, in a few brief words, you’ve demonstrated for yourself the two stumbling blocks that I was talking about.

Here, “just not ok” is another big whacking steak. You’ve got a whole bunch of ideas of why you are labeling this in this way and you believe you will have certain benefits from this label of yours. These ideas and beliefs might be the first “cuts” you’re making into your big whacking steak. You might then want to cut those pieces into even smaller pieces and so on, until you have your smaller, more manageable, bite-sized pieces you can soothe shift and heal.

And trying to move from “just not okay” to “forgiveness” is, to me, that trying to “beam” oneself from Point A to Point B in a world that’s not Star Trek. No wonder it seems so unfathomable, right?

There are tons of healing practices. And it’s my opinion that the reason why there are so many healing practices is that some are better-suited for certain aspects of the human experiences whilst others are better-suited for other aspects.

But if you have something that’s that troubling to you, that isn’t being addressed by the fields we have, doesn’t it make sense to find a trained professional to be your guide and support you on your journey? After all, you wouldn’t try to give yourself home brain surgery whilst learning brain surgery by watching YouTube clips, would you?

And here’s the thing that almost all of us do: we learn a new technique–maybe it’s from a brief description such a forum post like this or we read a book or we go to a 7-day “intensive” workshop. And then we try our new technique with our baby legs (Yep, I went back there again) on The Biggest Hairiest Most Troubling ISSUE of our lives. That’s like throwing algebra problems at first graders. That doesn’t help to build a history of success.

You’re asking me questions about “just simply observe.” That was a suggestion made to you by another forum friend. I’m not a personal fan of that method. As you can tell, my preferred method is more interactive than “just simply observe.” And I’ve taken this thread farther off-topic than I would like. So, I’ll let the fans of that method answer your questions more expertly than I.

Check your PMs. (And I’m saddened, too.)

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