Transhumanism

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#1

Transhumanism is defined as such: The belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology.

Or, according to Wikipedia: Transhumanism is a philosophical and intellectual movement which advocates for the enhancement of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies that can greatly enhance longevity and cognition. It also predicts the inevitability of such technologies in the future.

This is quite the broad umbrella, don’t you think? When we think of Transhumanism, our mind jumps straight to cyborgs and nanobots, microchips, augmentation and so on. But what about medication? It’s technically a technology, that alters your body. Would that be transhumanism?

Are fields, for example, also in the realm of transhumanism, considering we use technology when we utilize them? Is anything we use to alter ourselves in some way, transhumanist? I mean science is the study of all there is - it’s not limited to a particular category.

Now, we can obviously limit transhumanism to much more drastic changes, but I suppose it doesn’t matter after a certain point, any change in consciousness that is external with the motivation to improve oneself, might as well be considered transhumanism based on the google provided definition.

I have been giving this a lot of thought lately. I was always very much against transhumanism, I don’t know - something about the idea of uploading your brain onto a computer, or bringing machine/animal/insect consciousness into your body just sounds creepy, wrong and terrifying. But we work with minerals and crystals all the time. Which is a technology, I don’t know - I think this is such a deep subject we can deep dive for hours trying to figure it out.

I have heard people say - there is a natural progression of human consciousness, and then there is artificial. Is one inherently harmful, the other not? Can both be good, can both be bad? Or is one truly to be avoided rather than considered?

I suppose we built a society, that unlike past societies, leans more heavily towards transhumanism than natural evolution, whatever that may be at this point. I believe everything is interconnected, so this will impact our planet, and it probably already is impacting our planet, as every human being can start a chain reaction in human consciousness.

I suppose my question is - should we remedy this? Integrate it? Ignore it? Let it be? Does it bother YOU personally? Why or why not?

Thank you for reading.

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#2

I am 100% for transhumanism

(the same way I’m all for internet and computers not for everything it’s used for, I’m also against forcing people to use computers and the internet)

But if I was not, what would I do, bomb research centers ?

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#5

It’s energy work
Not man made technology
So I think
It wouldnt fall under transhumanism
However
It could if one totally transcends themselves to their highest version they could then perhaps manipulate their genes thereby evolving the nomad into something new- could that be transhumanism ?
Maybe, but not through science
Just through energy means.
Science tries to explain the workings of the universe
Whereas Energy, just is.
And transhumanism states its through the means of science & technology :woman_shrugging:t2:
Im not a fan of transhumanism if it’s only sought under the constrains of the current definition
However
If and when it is done through energy manipulation and all that kinds of stuff
I’m all for it. (And as long as the higher ups approve that is)

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#6

Sorry to inform you that it’s a little bit too late. All medications modify people’s life too much. The moment penicillin came out, we’ve already entered artificial stage of human life.

There is no good demarcation line between “okayish” and “this has gone too far.”

Most of the time it’s a nostolgia that has to tradition to support it.

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#7

Uploading your consciousness into a machine sounds terrifying. I think the human body is perfect, I doubt you can replace things like the chakra system with a machine. I really don’t think you can compare energy work to implanting technology into your body or something like that

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#8

To me its all about how we use things.
There is always a plus & minus attached to things.
I heard some say that we humans are nothing but algoritms, That is scary to me.
Its scary to give away ones existance to a computer program .
But if they can use digitalscience to heal certain physical conditions like diabetes typ 1, that would be amaizing.
I agree with Elon M when he says it can go to far, and in the wrong hands, it can devestating for humanity.

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#9

Obviously many people would reject to merge with a computer but how does it look if it gives you “immortality”, superhuman speed and strenght, ability to fly and so on…

#10

“the most beautiful self-deception you forget for a little Power”

Imo using Fields is already some sort of transhumanism. We are able to go on (insert selfharming behaviour) and can regenerate at a relativ fast rate with the help of Energy work. Our bodys and Consciousness isn´t that fixed.

Always felt repelled to merge with a machine. That gives other parties way to much power.
The urge to alter my physical, mental, emotional is still there. Meds, Fields, Sex,Meditation,Breathing, sensory overload,deprivation, training… There are literally so many ways to alter our body(s) and consciousness.

on a short note

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#11

a middle ground between both sides of beliefs maybe.

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#12

Depends how you look at it. I am talking exclusively about the google given definition.

#13

But aren’t we utilizing science and technology to create fields? I used to think it wasn’t under the transhumanism umbrella either, but maybe it is? I mean consciousness dictates your genes. If you’re evolving way more rapidly than you normally would with fields - maybe it is transhumanism? Is that good or bad, I am not sure. But yes, it is DIFFERENT from implanting a microchip into your brain, no doubt.

I am sure the reincarnation process would look very different for someone who uses fields, vs decided to botch their consciousness and shove it into a computer.

#14

May I add my thoughts.
I am sure if somebody stumbles upon fields and uses them for some time then it is likely to be something this soul wants to use in this lifetime to evolve. Enough people are afraid or ignorant to fields, selfempowerment in general. Same goes for a forum like this.

You won´t miss the right decision/path (at least in the long run :smiley: )

#15

No definitely not, as bombing anything is childish, destructive, and wouldn’t solve anything. (In my opinion at least).

There will always be transhumanists. I was just curious as to what people thought on the subject. There’s a lot of people who are NOT on the same page as you, and believe it inherently carries a lot of dangers to human evolution.
What makes you so confident in transhumanism, vs natural evolution? By natural evolution, I mean humans unlocking their own spiritual potential without the influence of an external artificial source. Vs cosmic rays, or the sun, or divinity itself?

(Keep in mind, I do not have a particular opinion on this right now, I am just asking questions as best as I can from a non-biased vantage point. I know this is a very polarized subject).

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#16

Hopefully that’s the case! I do agree, to an extent. I think we make the best possible decision we can from our current level of awareness, once our awareness changes, so do our decisions and priorities. Otherwise cocaine would have never been sold as cough medicine, people wouldn’t have done a lot of pointless medical procedures in the middle ages, or believed that the plague was caused by the wind blowing in the wrong way.

#17

This is exactly the issue most people who are against transhumanism see, and while I am trying to be unbiased when having this conversation, I’d lie if I said I don’t find aspects of the idea to be repulsive. Humans are definitely not algorithms. Anyone who says that, must be a little “borg” themselves already, and lacks discernment.

#18

I am aware that it has been in wide use for a while now. But should it be? What are your personal thoughts? Do you think we should have approached healing from a different perspective, or this more materialistic path was just destined for us? Or is it hard to say considering you grew up in a world where this was already the case?

#19

U can listen to the " scientist" in WEF…he scares the shit out of me!! That to me is a very dangerous direction. And an insult to the creation of humans!

#20

If you find that to be disturbing, I read an article not so long ago about a little boy “prodigy” who has the intention to augment humans, merge them with machines, he wants to replace every part of his body with a mechanical element. I mean, who incarnated in that boys body? Not exactly a healthy desire for a 9 year old.

Sorry, he is 11 now, not that it makes a huge difference. You can read about him here.

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#21

It’s an example. Artificial things that extends human life or enhace performace has been in use for many years.

Athletes dope themselves for better performances. Aged people put joint prosthesis inside their knees to regain mobility.

We moved from using antibiotics to these more radical medical treatments. What is the next step? If we feel okay having artificial prosthesis, then why feel disturbed at cyborg? Perhaps having a smartphone itself is already changing our biology.

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#22

Why, do you bomb everything you’re against, or…?

I’m not really for transhumanism. I don’t know if it will be avoidable in the future though.
Basically, if there is a technology that enhances life, I think that’s good, like hip replacement surgery or whatever enhances people’s lives in old age.

But when it comes to just Life extension of an already deteriorated condition for the sake of it 🤷
It depends on the conditions and technologies.
I don’t want anything nano in me either lol

Also, I don’t think death is a bad thing, and I don’t think consciousness gets “lost” at death. So I don’t really see the reason why i would want to “upload” or preserve mine in the current state (or any state really).

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