In as pure a way as possible, explain to me what makes you think an advanced civilization existed at any point in pre-history.
you can reference speculative media like books, tv shows etc. Or, you can reference any archeological / historical artefacts and sources
lol what makes u think history existed
Based on compelling archeological evidence, mythological records, and “alternative” scientific theories, few of the examples are megalithic structures such as Gobekli Tepe which shows complex astronomical alignments (can do your own research as to how baffling it is).
The theory of plasma-discharge events reflected in petroglyphs worldwide which aligns with mythological accounts of “sky gods” and cosmic battle. OOPARTs (Out of Place Artifacts) and so on…
Now the question may be:
Is there any chance of any of these findings be hidden or altered by the “forces that be” because it could shatter the very world/reality of the current long established systems? Which people have only know as far as they can remember? Which some seem to have problems with and yet don’t know how to bypass?
And what are the reasons for this cover ups?
My answer would be yes. That is the case and it has mostly been that way. From the burning of the library of Alexandria, supression of Galileo Galilei by Roman Catholic Church, Soviet Union’s supression of Lysenkoism, Nikola Tesla’s inventions etc.
The reasons for this cover ups and persecutions revolves around everything from academic and institutional controls, social economic impacts (if the public finds out that they can power car by water or run engineriing using aether, imagine the loss of many industries involved).
It could disrupt the very foundation of cultural and religious bodies. What have we as society been lied to believe since the moment we were birthed?
So you see, their patrern is we offer guidance and knowledge, seek us for it, and we create more problem for you people and we come with better solutions… To arise better problems for you all. And the cycles has been going like that.
Such is the materialistic society without spiritual awareness. They reduce everything to what can be comprehended by their limited physicalities only. When the universe is vast with limitless possibilites beyond their reductionist view. And to understand what’s around us, we need to understand what it is within us, what it means to be human. As within so without.
How do literature or tv shows count for “compelling evidence” though?
nothing new under the sun
Everything that can happen will happen, given time, and everything that can happen has already happened and will happen again. Wheels within wheels within wheels.
First is our construction of an impossible circumstance. No one is first, nothing can be first, not even the number 1 is first. It’s an impossibility for anything in this world to appear as one before it is three. Anything before three is an abstraction.
For civilisation to occur right now would imply that it has to occur at least two times otherwise, and this multiplies out for each instances of a “civilisation.” It has to come three times to have form, and each instance has to have bookends of itself in order to maintain itself. If there is no pre-civilisation civilisation and no post-civilisation civilisation, how can there be a now-civilisation? If there is no pre-you now and no post-you now, how can you be here, now? All these three make up one thing, appearing here as three but are really one.
For there to be no pre-history civ is a logical impossibility, regardless of physical evidence, of which there is plenty for doubt of us being first. If there is no before, and no after, there can be no “now,” and if that were the case this wouldn’t even be discussed because the concept of a civ would have no actualisation to be discussed.
Feel free to disagree.
its all subjective to the person. i just want to know opinions
history can just be thought of as the earliest archeological evidence of a civilisation.
Oki, the formulation just seemed confusing to me because you talk about evidence/certainty and opinions/subjectivity/speculation simultaneously.
i see your point, i changed it
I understand i think. So you are saying for there to be our civilisation, there first needs to be prior civlisations to inform the later ones. it is strange the way mainstream archeology would have us believe their was no form of civilization for 280,000 years of homo-sapiens, only for a civilization to emerge in the last 10000 years
this aligns with some of my own thoughts, thanks for sharing
Every one of our stories starts somewhere in the middle.
Conditions form in what we think of the past/future as a necessity to support what happens now. The closer something is to now, the more condensed and certain it becomes, but further out in all directions somethings are, the less defined but are still there.
We have no idea how old our species is or how many times we’ve done this.
Any history greater than 200ish years is suspect, possibly fabricated (but heavily manipulated and biased, obviously); 500ish years is very suspect and definitely fabricated, and beyond that is mythology. Rough estimates.
Rome exists because we believe it to exist, because the current Rome needs it for its own existence and for it to exist in the future. Something born must have a cause, but the cause can happen in response to the effect. Naturally, a future position occurs as a consequence. The cause is secondary, it happens to support what is now, to have narrative structure, for us to make sense of it in the world, and the world responds by creating the conditions to reflect our beliefs.
Are large deviations from current consensus possible without actions from an outside force?
“We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.”
“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past,”
Like any established pattern, it has more legitimacy the longer it has sustained itself, to eventually become invisible background noise, status quo, not even perceptible to be questioned. The earlier civs don’t need to have necessarily happened “first” for us to experience this one now, but they are created in response to the present conditions, and from our perspective, came prior to this one. There is something there, but what it exactly looks like, when and how it happened will depend on us now to fill in the colors, but by necessity, because we are here now, “civilisationing,” the outline of our shadow will always form on the ground behind us as we walk towards the horizon ahead. It’s there, but we make sense of it as we come to make sense of ourselves and seemingly the pieces change and rearrange and bend out, around, and backwards to contain what we’re projecting into it.
The world must do all it can to hold things together because that is its job. If there is no reason to believe in its illusion, if there is no logic or consensus to its story, if something just happens and then something just happens, over and over, with no seeming cause-effect relationship, the narrative structure of the world falls apart and the world dissolves because the collective belief in the world weakens to a point where it can’t be sustained. The world dies when we stop believing in it, but when we continue to create more and more fantastical, true beliefs that become common sense, the world will respond by creating the necessary narrative structures to support what has been thrusted into it. If we have civilisation now, we must have civilisation then, which means we will have civilisation in the future. If all memory, thought, belief of civilisation suddenly vanishes, the world will rush in to fill the space with something else. I’m not sure I know what that is.