Why does Evil and Suffering Exist? When did those appear? Can We/All That it is Get Rid of these?

Spirituality
#21

You tend to personify larger complex systems…

They are no “agents”, not rly more of agents than we all are.

It may not be necessarily a deliberate action to test, evaluate and strengthen. It’s more so one of the ways the nature evolves, and this is done automatically, by nature. We do not evolve because we decided to. We evolve because it’s in the intrinsic nature of us, of the all.

And also, lots of things like that may ultimately just come down to accepting that at the most fundamental level, things just are. They are not here bcs …, they just are.

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#22

Then there is no true free will.

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#23

Define “true free will”.

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#24

Idk, the capacity to decide your actions, future, conditions (but first of all how you react, what state/condition you are in, what you feel, etc.,although I use mostly human examples), what you bring, what you manifest, at this level or perhaps at higher levels (again, just human example, can’t say that I understand how higher beings or systems work, think or if they have free will, perhaps they have free will, but lack individuality, Idk, just speculating).

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#25

And what does actually mean “deciding my own something”? What’s the mechanics of it, how does it function?

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#26

If we go into specifics, we might indeed conclude that we are parts of one system, we are all interconnected and there is no “I”, but on a more illusory, yet down to earth perspective, there is an “I” (in practical terms, an individual, a body with an ego, a mind, one who identifies as such), so the will and the desire or more so the possibility to express that “I”, it is ones own capacity to express hhimself/herself…

It all begins with awareness.
I am aware of my own existence, therefore I am, I have a will, etc.,so “true will” is the capacity to express myself, my Essence, in this body, while doing things only and ONLY automatically, that’s kind of a robotic or collective way - but again, we may question things further: is there truly an I…

Words are an imperfect way to express these concepts…

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#27

Well, u don’t have to question what rly “I” is. Although, everything is deeper inter-connected than an ordinary person may be able to understand, it doesn’t mean that there is no distinction.

Well, yes. It’s the capacity to express yourself, what I was trying to say is that it most probably isn’t some fundamental randomness. There is some functionality behind it. So yeah, in that sense, “Free will” might seem like an illusion. And it is that and isn’t at the same time.

Why do u think u have to be aware in order to be existing?

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#28

Also, this is all speculation and repeating what I learned…

I have no idea about anything.

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#29

Good question.

I guess you can be not aware and still exist.

Awareness Might just be an evolved thing, a complex process.

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#30

Still, what is not aware, can it have a will?

I mean, on the free will part, awareness is a must.

Anyway, I am sleepy and so unaware, lol…