Ceasing to exist

I think I’d feel relieved. No weight of eternal consequences. I’m happy with the current set up and yet… it would be like hearing school is permanently cancelled right now while right in the middle of stressing over writing a final essay.

Which is a weird analogy. Because I’m not stressed. But if anything justified stress I think that would be it. If stress could actually improve performance or results. Which I basically don’t think it does.

But that would be something worthy of stress if anything was. Eternal consequences. Whether good or bad or in between. Anything that lasts forever would have to be of ultimate importance if anything at all had importance.

So, long answer short, I think I’d feel relief. I imagine I’d feel some degree of depression mixed with maybe existential crisis. But I only imagine that because I figure that would be the normal human response. On a more personal level specific to me, once again; relief.

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“Mortalist propaganda” is good phrase.

This thought experiment has been tried. Usually, it’s a presumption/burden of proof issue. Get rid of the the afterlife beliefs and people will lose the various fears. In the West, the ideas secularism, atheism-lite, humanism, socialism, etc are on the rise as are diagnoses of anxiety.

The belief in the afterlife was never the source of fear and dread. It’s the feeling of incompleteness and isolation that’s more prevalent in modern society. Fix that and the fear will go away. People will still believe in the afterlife, the same way they believe in angels or that their dogs understand them.

Actually, dogs make the argument well. What if you learned your dog was just a biological machine—no soul, no deep connection? I suspect nothing would change because the relationship with your dog isn’t based on anything as unreal as knowledge or beliefs; you’re human and he/she is dog—there’s nothing more to it.

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Lol, I seen a thing where they got 2 sets of people and they told bias facts to them, one group told them how stress can improve levels of focus and the speed of ur brain and things like that and the other group was told how stress affect them negatively and the way the two groups performed on stressful tasks where parallel to the group they were in

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I don’t see the point in reincarnation or anything if my ego ceases to exist.

I mean, what is the point of anything beyond death if the whole structure lf who you are vanishes? It would be the same as if you were unborn. Nothing differentiates you from any other entity.

Ego is what gives us a sense of separation and being different from other things.

If that is gone we are gone too.

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That is interesting. I do feel like some stress can be helpful for a very short term task like getting out of an unsafe situation while driving if it helps you to focus. But even then it’s the kind of stress that is focused on momentary physical realty rather than on existential and relational issues.

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Spoiler: it does not

Also there are different types of “ego”.
While the ego that is based on the physical limbic brain and that is responsible for physical survival may vanish with the death of the physical body, the ego that makes up your individuality and personality does not.

Also, also, as I tried to explain to you for many times in the past, none of these types of ego or personality and individuality is the actual you. You are consciousness and everything else is a tool for it. Most people on the planet identify with their role on purpose per game design and because your Higher Self wanted to experience it this way.

As immortal eternal consciousness you are free to use any and all possible types of filters, roles, personality setups, individuality setups, egos etc. through which you want to experience reality.

If you don’t believe me, read Dreamweaver’s post:

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I mean, the whole idea of you or me is consequential of a set of differences created through an infant’s capacity to divide, fragment and identify in units stuff that is not divided, fragmented or identical to itself beyond the infant’s perception. Because there is no differentiated reality beyond abstractions created through the serial mind.

How can that set of series precede its own created reality?

I think it is more believable that the set of series can continue to function beyond death (because who knows in which dimension it functions). But not before it was created.

Before creation, it cannot logically exist or function.

You are still stuck in the illusion of time. There is not such thing really as “before” or “after”.

Also, reality cannot be grasped by logical thinking alone, since most of this logic is hardwired into the physical human brain. Conceptual realization and psychic perception is the only way to grasp higher concepts. Until then, it will all just be the usual human psychological circle jerking.

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Yes, I didn’t want to go there but I meant ex-nihilo.

Out-of-nothing. Or created.

Evolutionism and creationism are indeed orthogonal.

You guys are not speaking the same language, talking it out is not gonna work

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I hope you do win the Olympia bruh… :sweat_smile: share the message with your adoring public… I mean yourself haha

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I think the bridge between @JAAJ and @anon8601412 is that the everyday reality for most people on this level of “consciousness” is a differentiated reality where time moves forward for the duration of a life, similar to one positive cycle of a sine wave; it begins at birth and ends with death, but consciousness moves forward. I think JaaJ’s point is that this experience is that there’s enough evidence that the something of “us” predates this life and that an objection based on linguistics or time’s arrow to that pre-existence is in error. The argument goes further, however. If time is the ‘x’ axis, then our higher self/real self or whatever we choose to call it stands outside of time in the same our pencil does the lines on a graph paper. We mark the line for our own reasons. We enter time in similar fashion. Heidegger seems to be saying that, as far as I can tell, we are creatures of time.

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Oh yeah man i will haha I’ll try my best at least, it will be a fun journey!

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I would be very at peace with that. I mean as far as my memory goes, I don’t remember anything before being born here so it’d be like that :sweat_smile: And that’s perfectly fine. However I feel about it now, whoever is here that cares for me just wouldn’t matter. I’ll just be nothing. But now that’s the conundrom for me.

I’ve become nothingness in some experiences (or at least felt I did) and came to realize that nothingness is the vaccum through which everything comes to exist. Everything comes from nothing. Nothing <> everything.

So in ego death, you get this experience. You experience the death of your ego and what comes after is you experiencing your consciousness as this thing that encompasses everything. You are everything wrapped in nothingness. I wish I could explain it better but it’s just the sort of thing you got to experience for yourself. (Probably will when you die :stuck_out_tongue: )

But maybe you won’t. Maybe it really just is… a blank. And that is completely okay with me too cause as anxious as I might be about it now, I’m not gonna feel any way about it when I don’t exist.

It’s a funny thing though right? So hard to imagine not existing. Everytime you sleep, you wake up. But not ever waking up… you can’t even imagine it. It’s like so as long as the universe exists, you can’t conceptualize not being a part of it to some degree :smiley:

But anyways, both scenarios are fine with me.

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Here’s an interesting bit of Lacan talking about the soul, the physical body and the unconscious.

Or you just learn to astral project consciously.
I say consciously because our astral bodies already do leave our physical bodies every time we sleep, we are just unconscious about it with our human incarnational part of the consciousness.

Anyways, what you will experience in the astral afterlife is pretty much almost the same as what you experience when making an astral projection:

You will still have your individuality and personality, you will still have your subconscious belief system and your made experiences. Since none of this stuff has been physical in the first place and also was additionally uploaded into the Higher Self real-time when you made all of these experiences.

The only difference between an astral projection and the final transition into the afterlife will be that with the final transition you will be free from the impulses of the physical body, your Higher Self will show you a life review and most likely a ton of family and friends from the past incarnation and from other incarnatations will show up to meet and greet you.

Since time does not exist on the higher astral planes, for them it will be as if you just left for a few moments while they will understand that you are just coming back from a 100 year long physical body experience.

All of this stuff is written in the hundreds of books on Near Death Experiences and Astral Travel Reports. But most people just choose to not read and stick to their assumptions :man_shrugging:
This is the real power of the ego, making people choosing to not want to know this stuff right here and right now. The information has been out there for 50 years now.

But in the end, as Sammy said:

People can verify all of this by doing their own experience with astral projection. I understand that it requires dedication and discipline to achieve that, but it is totally worth it for the internal growth and experience of liberation that one acquires through this.

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I’d say it is odd that this information comes from the same culture that reproduces it.

Now with internet and globalization it is worse.

How do you differentiate between an “authentic experience” and a “biased experience” from someone that was already exposed to these ideas in the first place?

It is like people tripping on dmt sharing the same experiences they heard from other people tripping on dmt.

There are scholars that believe that Christ was exposed to Hinduism or Buddhism.

And even if it happened, how can you be sure that the experience they had was right in the moment they were dead (before coming back to life) and not in the moment when they were still alive?

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I’ve said it several times in all of my posts about life after death and astral projection:
You don’t have to rely on the experiences of others.
And then think about whether their experiences are valid or not.
You can start making your own experiences and then evaluate everything from there.

For many people, who are extremely rational thinkers, this would even be the better approach, otherwise they are stuck and circleing around in their logical thinking pattern.

Personal astral projection experience is key.
Once you’ve made that experience, you will experience the physical world and your awareness in it like being in a black-and-white cartoon dream sequence.

So…
Forget all the theory.
Forget reading about it.
Forget thinkig about it.
Forget trying to grasp it with the logic of the human brain.
Just make the experience yourself.

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And one more time:

Techniques:

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Unfortunately I don’t remember his/her name, but I heard this story of a scientist (a neurologist?) that did research on NDEs all their life.

Identified a brain part they pointed to as cause of NDEs, and of them being what/how they are.

As luck would have it, they had a NDE and were being monitored. Their brain basically failed on that part, convincing them NDEs visions are real.

If you focus long enough and with “purpose”, you will manifest an answer.

I’d rather not xD

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While NDE scientist are doing a great job at acknowledgeging that there is “a phenomenon” and are trying to study it, most of them are still not open-minded enough to actually practically try having an out of body experience themselves.
This is like scientists studying food without having ever cooked themselves.
Like scientists studying sex, without ever sleeping with someone.
Like scientists studying magick, without ever actually doing rituals etc.

In my opinion most neuroscientists know a lot about the physical brain, but they fail to explain most phenomena associated with it, because they are blind to the bigger picture of consciousness, the astral realms etc.
These scientists are literally expert idiots / geeks / nerds.

The map is not the territory.

And with that, as so often materialist scientist confuse cause and effect.

The physical brain does not create experiences by itself but is merely a device of signal translation.
It translates “consciousness signals” from the consciousness that is you, down into the physical so that your consciousness can have the impression of operating a physical body in a physical world and by this making “a physical experience”.

The brain is nothing more than a radio device.
Everytime the radio device catches a certain program, certain electric circuits inside it show electric signals and these signals are what the scientists are measuring.
They are observing the physical symptoms, not the causes of consciousness.

Same thing with scientists who “measure” out of body experiences.
They are only measuring some superficial signals that occur as a side effect of the brain trying to translate the signals down into the physical.

For example people who are born physically blind, when the same people make an out of body experience, they can suddenly see everything.
Their physical brains never learned to process visual information through their physical eyes and their physical brains never developed the respective neuronal connections for processing visual input, and yet, they are suddenly able to see everything and in all the colors.
This is just one of many examples where many NDE researchers have a blind spot with, because it does not fit into their materialist world view.

This is simply because everything on the astral plane is more real and feels more real than here in the physical.
That’s why I always tell people that they have to make the experience themselves.
If people would make a fully conscious out of body experience it would be the most realistic experience for them and they would never doubt the reality of it ever again.
One day of vacation on an astral beach and most people would leave their physical incarnation immediately prematurely, lol.

The ego is doing its best to do everything to come up with a rationalization of the why, the what, the how etc. instead of actually people trying to achieve an out of body experience yourself.
With that analogy, people will do great mental acrobatics in order to discuss how pizza tastes without ever having the courage to actually eating one.

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