Discussion on masturbation (Kinky stuff)

There’s two sides to it actually. On the one hand, I pity the males who have been turned into self loathing betas with defeatist attitudes (“I’ll never get a girlfriend, so paying for it online is the closest I can get”). But on the other hand, I also feel for the girls because a lot of them are just trying to make ends meet.

Think I read about this paramedic girl creating an only fans account because her day job wasn’t paying her enough.

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Bro that’s the point. Those girls are doing it intentionally and that is a shame because such girls have alternatives to earn money rather than selling their own body, and they are no different than Drug Dealers Because even a Drug Dealer does all that shit i.e. to target weak people to make money off from them.

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Now that you compare it to drug dealers, I do see your point. People making money at the expense of others is not good.

Although you could argue that there wouldn’t be drug dealers/online girls if people didn’t go there in the first place.

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Yea exactly. It’s both way. All those weak men are out of their mind, spending tons of money just to see a naked woman while those women are taking advantages of the weak men.

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Lmao :smile:

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LMAO.

It could it could. If maybe there are some mirrors around where we see the fat and cellulite fading away :joy:
Or a calories counter showing how much we are losing right there. Thatd be a great motivation :sunglasses:

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Yeah, the variety of porn out there is outrageous. Any kink or type of guy or girl that turns you on is out there.

As for onlyfans, I agree with you all. But it also isn’t always so black and white. Some girls are doing it cause… why not? Show your body and touch yourself and possibly make like 10k this month (others making 50-100k a month)? That’s it? And you don’t have to sex either.

It’s just just a very enticing offer to make easy money. It’s practically effortless. Harmless and virtual prostitution.

People go to the college for 8 years and get jobs that pay way less. So I get why many girls are falling into this ‘opportunity’… and it really is many.

The difference between this and a career is that making $ in onlyfans isn’t guaranteed. It’s a competition like @DR_MANHATTAN said. But the dream is already sold and many girls have bought into it. Showing your body is something anyone can do so they’re taking the risk.

In this world, we all provide services in exchange for $. In this case, these women are providing images/videos of themselves naked for $ . Sexual desire is a need and is amongst the most profitable needs in the world. Ladies are just taking advantage of that lol. I don’t see that changing until humans transcend the primal instincts that have ruled us for so long.

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I don’t think there is such a thing as beta alpha or omega.

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It’s going to be a lazy reply.

So you don’t think some people are more assertive than other ? That there are social hierarchies ?
That some people are generally submissive and other generally dominant ? Natural selection rings a bell ?

It’s part of the dual nature of our existence.
Like all the social stuff, some people exaggerate other deny everything. But ask yourself why there are leadership, authority, alpha male subs and fields.

Ahum…

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I know that, I’m just saying that maybe things are not as black and white as they say, I don’t particularly care if I’m considered beta alpha or whatever, food chain? I’m not even paying attention to this, I’m very well alone and masturbating, and I don’t care if this is beta behavior, these labels only make people feel superior while others feel inferior, that’s what annoys me basically, as if being at home masturbating would make you inferior to a guy who goes out and catches several women, frankly, if alpha means to be successful with women and beta means not to be successful, ok, but there is no sense in associating this with winner and loser in life , a man doesn’t need to be successful with women to be a leader, a leader needs to inspire confidence, understand his subordinates, have a really intimate friendship that understands which points are strong and which are weak, and above all someone courageous and strong, and you don’t have to be successful with the girls to be a guy like that, just that.

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Seems like you have a back story and some deep personal stuff being triggered. It’s just a vague yet useful term, it doesn’t define every inch of someone’s life.

Insecure people like the comfort of labels and arbitrary metrics to judge others and compare themselves. They’ll take any adjectif and make it a race. It’s okay… We won’t reject all words just because some don’t like it

About the loser and winner thing, it’s up to you to decide for yourself, but people are still going to judge you no matter what, so get used to it.

Hmmm… Hmmm…
It’s okay to masturbate, I admit having done it at least once in my life lol and not wanting to have sex is also okay.
But unless you use it as an occult type of meditation, sex with a partner is better. In some way, deep down, in the depth of your mind, you know masturbation is a sign of lack. Competition for partners to procreate was a must and it has guided our evolutions. Not having a partner had many downsides in the tribe and internal life.

Next time you read beta, think subordinate and alpha: leader (apparently you don’t have a problem with those terms). That’s all. Now there are many advantages to being a leader including ressources and sexual partners. That’s what most people want and try to get, that’s also how they compare themselves and it turns into a competition. Competitions have winner and losers. You can ignore it, but this primitive wiring is not going away anytime soon.

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Alpha beta etc are very badly defined…

The expression is taken over from the animal kingdom but there is no EQUIVALENT social hierarchy in human society. In our society, a person belongs to several groups and takes on different roles - in some they are the leader/boss (equivalent to alpha in animal kingdom), in some they are not.

Alpha/beta is badly defined by most people who use it , to mean something like the person who is more assertive/confident is alpha and the person who is not generally is beta. There is no total understanding of the definition of these concepts in humans. these are limiting categories and there isn’t much point in assigning them.

E.g. @LordeShadow wrote “If alpha means to be successful with women and beta means not”. This is again a different interpretation to what I wrote and a common way people use this term online.
And if you have a previously considered “beta” who wins 200million on the lottery, can get all the women and becomes aggressive and assertive and overconfident due to the money + the coke habit he is developing, while everyone is quick to follow and please him in order to get some of that :money_mouth_face:, does that mean he is now alpha?? (Rhetorical question :)

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Go figure…

For the rest, I knew someone would come and drop that BS about the animal kingdom for some reasons. :pensive:

Dude read again my posts and try to understand. I can’t help you.

Edit: PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE !!!
(That should do it :joy:)

I think for me Alpha is the person who is a natural born leader and doesn’t surrender to society expectations. For example: Elon Musk,Bill gates,Steve Jobs these are real Alphas because they go against the society expectations to build their own empire. I have a friend from India who cracked the world toughest examination (IIT) and USA gave him an offer for a job which can pay him Million Dollar salary,he got this offer in his last year of College, but he rejected the offer to build his own company. His parents were angry at him for rejecting a golden offer but he said he wants to run his own company rather than working on somebody else’s company.

It seems that one should also be mindful at the moment of orgasm. See it like a big energy burst from you and the emotions/mindset you have at the moment is what you put out into the world. Don’t know if the comparison is right or the effects as vast but love gravitation came to my mind right now but instead of love you put out possibly not so wholesome energies out there. That’ll attract entities with such vibrations and these will try their best to keep you in that mental state.

So in my opionion it’s more important to do it from a loving point of state with the mind that it was your choice. Not the “addiction” (for the case that you have one). I agree with the once in a while is alright if one wants to but the how is also important. If you make it so that you truly love yourself while masturbating I think it could even help in attracting good things into your life.

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You forgot one, which is bigger than all the ones you mentioned, it’s called Donald.
Anyway speaking of labels, because they are also this, the Alpha Male are above all the brave ones who also give themselves to others and go against an entire system like the current President of you Americans. From my perspective some of those mentioned have little of Alpha Male, because they try to exploit a system only for their own personal purposes and to carry out globalist agendas to try to reduce the fundamental rights of every person.
However the best and most recent product to transform into this version of AM is called Knight / Warrior Mindset

I largely agree with your argument, however I find the picture you chose to back up your point very odd. Part of your argument is that although people may find it difficult to put into words what “alpha” or “beta” are, and there may be some disagreement on particulars, generally people get the idea of what is meant, even if they have not had either heavily described. It’s a pattern people intuitively pick up on.

But, the picture you chose seems to me to lay out a dichotomy that most would not recognize as what is typically thought of as differences between “alpha” and “beta”. They get a few of the points right, but many of them seem to suggest a bias on the part of the author (or image creator).

It seems to me like whoever made that image is trying to redefine the terms so that they can define the “good guys” and “bad guys”, not unlike how there are people out there trying to delineate “healthy masculinity” from “toxic masculinity”.

“You’re only a ‘real man’ if you do X.” “You’re only a ‘real alpha’ if you do X.” It’s all a marketing ploy by an individual (or organization) that wants to be the arbiter of role models and societal values. It is different from reflecting observed patterns as you later describe.

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I think the pattern you observe from daily interactions of people changes over time because of (as you said) media and marketing. So maybe it’s all a circular cycle, so debating from the point of view that is being marketed or the view of most people in daily interactions right now, doesnt make too much difference as they are similar enough to continue discussion with most people understaning.

I cut corners in the picture gathering step :man_shrugging:, sue me :joy:. That wouldn’t have been the case if I had more budget for secretaries and paralegals.

Also 7th entry on the bottom left sounds less catchy

:joy: :joy: :joy:

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