Is it safe to take MDMA while listening to audios?

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Yeah but MDMA is hardly a hard drug. You can’t just place it in the same category as heroin or crack, even if it’s cut with something else. Which stops being the original substance anyways.

It doesn’t matter what I tell you, you will never know the truth unless you try them yourself.

Someone just above mentioned Bufo Alvarius. Read trip reports on 5-MeO-DMT. What ego? You psychologically die on the trip. It’s the closest thing there is to death. It’s possible to become one with the universe, to meet God/Source. If that’s not expanding your mind, what is?

You got it backwards, ordinary human consciousness is the one driven by the ego and survival, anything that you know right now or that you consider to be true will be shattered in a psychedelic breakthrough.

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Mdma is an hard drug. Overdose with Mdma is frequent, ptsd also too. And most of drugs users are poly-users, which means they take many drugs in a party.

I know my job, i know people on the streets, i know all those “truth seekers” of the streets. The Platon, Cinderella and Diogene of Sinope of the streets. Also, for my self, i did drugs too when i was a teenager.

This the Theorical part.
“The use of drugs, for modern man, is above all a means of escaping from this hell, this “negative psychic or existential situation, whether covert or patent.” He hopes to regain a kind of “normality” in a world dominated by the asceticism of Technology, which tolerates no deviation from Time. For him, “drug use is less the cause than the symptom of a profound alteration, a state of crisis, a neurosis.” The use of drugs by modern man can therefore never lead him to a “higher dimension of reality” that would open him beyond the Self, due to his psychic disposition and pre-existing alienation to drug consumption, but only to appearances and simulacra.”

Paolo Ferrara, Lorenzo Raganzini - Raving In Paris [HEX001] (youtube.com)
"Look out how we’re sooo cool. We do drugs. We are so enlighted and spiritual beings OMG thanks mum and dad we visited Bangkok and its so cool to chill out in a rooftop bar, taking mdma in buddha’s temple. "

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By that logic ibuprofen and acetaminophen are also hard drugs :stuck_out_tongue:, so what?

And what does the last part have to do with MDMA? That’s on the person.

Ah yes, because if your job will show you anything is definitely gonna be the side of good drug use. The people that actually respect the chemicals and don’t use them the wrong way.

did you do drugs with the intentions to better yourself? To introspect? To go inside your mind and find all the filthy stuff in there? To come out a better person? See the world through new lens?

You don’t even know what MDMA does, man. So I’m not even gonna believe that you know what psychedelics do.

Theoretical, Lol

Honestly, there is a lot wrong in that text that I’m not even gonna waste my time. That person outright assumes, overlooks, oversimplifies, neglects, and misunderstands many things.

Where did you get that from?

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I believe I have asked enough questions to help clear up misunderstandings but none have been answered.

I agree, I don’t see this going anywhere.

Take care

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Yes i’m not going to answer cause obviously we dont share the same insights and essence. So this is going to nowhere.
Take care you too

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While not a “hard drug”, one of the listed potential side effects of Ibuprofen is death.
That’s why here in Germany it is a medicine that you only get with a prescription from a doctor and you cannot simply buy it (like e.g. you can do in the US).
Those chemicals are not harmless at all and should only be taken when real medical emergencies occur.

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Ibuprofen is still over-the-counter in Germany. Paracetamol is extremely dangerous if overdone and pretty irreversible, but it’s also OTC, while ibuprofen is arguably safer. Not a reason to fear any of them.

Prescription is only needed for higher dosed formulation, but one can simply stock on smaller tablets given a couple of weeks.

This comparison is way too far-fetched anyway.

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I think almost the exact same way about MDMA and psychedelics

There are dangers, and I hope I haven’t said that there aren’t

Why is that?

I get that they are not psychoactive. I was just following and responding to the argument.

I just don’t consider MDMA a hard drug. What even is a hard drug anyways?

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Yet I just said in the post right after that one, that I don’t recommend anyone here do it and that it’s best to reach transcendental states by sober means. And to always test your drugs. Despite what any of us say here, adults will do what they want to do. So it’s best to give the best advice I can regardless of what I think someone should or shouldn’t do.

And yes, I spoke of my anecdotal experience. And yours is completely negative since you are a cop and you will experience the worst that any of these drugs has to offer. It a reality you witness all too often so your perception of it is accurate.

I’ve witnessed bad effects of drugs too. I grew up in the highest crime district of NYC and have seen all too many crackheads/heroin addicts on a daily basis. Most of these people are not doing psychedelics… And there’s a big difference with many of the people who have dabbled with psychs… and its that a great amount of them are fully well functioning people. You are not going to see this side because your job is to deal with the worst cases to do with any of these drugs.

Seriously, lots of successful and many even spiritually evolved people that you wouldn’t even guess, have dabbled. And it’s not that they’re dependent or use it all the time, it’s just an experience that once in a few years often leads to expansive perspectives and sometimes even guides some people down a more positive path.

You say there is nothing mind expansive about them or that they increase your ego.

As @Bored said, these psychs often give ego death which is a very mind expanding experience in itself. That tends to be the end goal of meditation and the experience of it is life changing to many. The experience also helps helps build the neural pathways of ego death through having that experience imprinted in the memory. So basically, you create a map to a state of mind by having experienced it. So that’s not as useless as you say.

All that said, we have our different perspectives on the subject. I am sure I won’t convince you and that’s fine. You experience the other side of these drugs and you percieving them in this way is valid as well.

I am with you on that people shouldn’t seek these substances to transcend. Especially if you aren’t doing to well mentally.

The issue with psychs is without proper guidance like a therapist or a very trustworthy friend who is experienced and if you are not in a calm controllable setting; you increase your chances of having a bad trip. Bad trips feel like living nightmares. Heck, A bad trip can even be dangerous. And that’s not to say that bad trips haven’t been helpful to some people as often they force to people to realize certain things they’re running away from. But bad trips are best avoided because the risk for things to go permanently bad is certainly there.

As I said, these aren’t things to be taken lightly. That’s just my 2 cents on things.

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Hi Sammy,

I was thinking about comparing psychedelics with alcohol.

Both are not considered to be “hard drugs” but we all know what they do in the hands of 99% of the people who consume those.

I think that what @Louis is witnessing is not just a tiny part of the users who abuse those substances, but are actually the majority of the users.

The people who are adult and advanced enough to use those substances once every 5 years for spiritual advancement are a minority.

I don’t know the exact numbers of course and this is just an assumption of mine and I am basing this assumption on the fact that most people cannot even handle the substance of alcohol alone and drink it way too often and for the wrong reasons.

Instead of drinking max 1-2 times per year for mental relaxation, it becomes a slippery slope for people and they start using it at any possible situation as a stress releaser.

“Drinking to relax in a social environment”?
That’s an escape from oneself while having to become vulnarably with others a.k.a. open up to others and socialize.

“Drinking because the day way so stressful”?
A dopamine escape, probably worse than porn addiction.

I understand that alcohol is mostly used as an escape from reality, while psychedelics are mostly used to expand reality, but in the hands of 99% of people, these substances are misused for whatever they are doing because these people are not adult and spiritual enough to understand their own WHYs behind them using these substances.

If a person is not able to realize WHY they are using the substance in the first place, and I mean the real why, not the story of their own ego, then the chance that this substance is going to be abused is extremely high.

Since most people are not adult and spiritual enough to use even alcohol properly, I fear that psychedelics, which have a far greater impact than alcohol, will do more harm for most people than good.

Anyways, while astral projection may not be a solution that is practical for most people, neither are these substances, because most people cannot handle them in the first place. After all, classic meditation maybe the best solution for most people. It is something teachers can even do at school with kids.

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Exactly, specially this :

I mean, I can understand the historical use of psychedelics by Berserkers in Germany, or in Norway/Sweden, or in France/Ireland/UK in Druidism or similar practices, and honestly, I would be very honored if I could join such a ceremony.

Even in South America with a native tribe like Carlos Castaneda did, or in Siberia with a real Shaman, I can understand the use of psychedelics. And I profoundly respect them (not the tourist traps, by the way).

But honestly, today, most people cannot even keep a job, cannot even do their laundry; they’ve never done anything in their life and speak about “ego death”? Jesus…

Psychedelics are the McDonald’s of spirituality.

But like it was said, everybody do what they want.

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This made be laugh, but unfortunately it is so true.

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Comparing alcohol to psychedelics is the funniest thing

I really hope Sammy replies to this :grinning:

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Well, as mentioned above, most people cannot even do their own laundry or manage their alcohol consumption. Psychedelics is more advanced stuff than laundry and alcohol. That’s my point, most people should not be using psychedelics unless they are inside a medical laboratory or actual educated and sovereign adults.

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If someone is unable to do their laundry or control their alcohol consumption then they have a serious problem.

Psychedelics can help in that regard, they aren’t just used for spiritual purposes.

Micro dosing, low dosing, and even high and heroic doses have therapeutic benefits.

Furthermore, it’s impossible to develop a physical addiction, and in rare cases a psychological one to psychedelics. They actually help with addiction, LSD have helped people become vegan-vegetarian, shrooms have helped people stop their cigarette and alcohol addiction, DMT and 5-MeO-DMT have helped people overcome their heroin addiction.

Alcohol does not do any of this. Alcohol would be better compared to benzodiazepines, which are both equally damaging both psychologically and physically. They just instill in you a false sense of self, for a few hours. Then you come back even worse.

But like sammy said, it’s not just pretty colors, rainbows, and bliss.

Bad trips happen. And they can seriously traumatize someone. But even then, bad trips can teach a lot. Just like life, bad shit happens and everybody has the ability to respond to situations and circumstances however they choose. Just like a nightmare from a dream, bad trips are trying to let you know something isn’t right in your life or mind.

There are many resources, books, courses, and tips online on how to properly use psychedelics for personal and spiritual growth.

Psychonauts do not just promote psychedelics. They encourage people to live better when sober too. Most psychonauts already meditate, already practice self-love, already do spiritual work.

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I can see the benefits of it, but Im still against it because of its addictive potential
To be clear, Im aware of their benefits because I did them. Thats also the reason I know the risks

That being said, we don’t have intense euphory fields, or narocitc high fields, as Dream decided to not make them (and I respect that)
Neurotransmitters fields for example are not meant to make you high, but to reduce withdrawals and improve your mood.

So there is no field “alternative/replacement” for those

Thats why I thought it could be a good idea to have some sort of high/drug fields, because knowing Dream it would have much less negative effects on us than actual drugs, while being very close to identical in beneficial effects.
And we wouldn’t be ingesting toxic chemicals.

But if decision was made to not create anything like that, its most likely for the best.

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Some of the comparisons here feel very, very odd and feel like they are coming from a place of just not knowing what these psychs are like. People are rarely if ever taking psychs like shrooms or cid for fun. And those that do… don’t do it everyday. It’s just not addictive since your tolerance builds up immediately and it becomes more a of a nuisance if you try to take heavy doses constantly.

People get these experiences whether they believe in ego death or not. And that’s why it’s transformative for a lot of normal people. It results in them experiencing a completely new way of percieving the world and from that alone, break out of whatever pattern they are stuck on.

If psychedelics were the Mcdonalds of spirituality, it would absolutely no benefits at all yet it is continually cited on a yearly basis, study after study, as having permanently beneficial effects on many people. Alcohol does not have any beneficial effects on people at all. In fact, psychedelics were used to treat alcoholism and very much successfully did so. So I personally think that this way of looking at it is rather extreme.

But I will respect your views. It is what it is.

This again, I think comes from a place of not knowing what these psychs are like at all. You won’t really get close to the effect by just listening to these neuro transmitter fields than the real thing. As @anon39494900 said, those fields are meant to help with withdrawals/depression and not exactly grant you bliss or transcendental experiences.

Anyways, peace be with you guys. I will have to agree to disagree here.

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I respect your point of view and hoping people will be responsible with this, that’s my main concern.

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I’m 100% with you on this as well

@Forumuser Issue would be is that if you get these ‘highs’ from fields, they would still stimulate your neurotransmitters… which could easily be abused. Overusing it would overstimulate your brain and potentially drain you. We have people listening to the same field for hours or even having it on all night. There would definitely be people who overuse fields like this lol. So yeah, best not to even go there haha.

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I think You are right. Kind of a shame though because having field like this would be amazing :stuck_out_tongue:
You made me thinking thugh, if Im aware the Blessing of St Bicep field stimulates androgenic receptors without hormone release.
So what if similiar idea was applied, but for neurotransmitters/feeling good receptors without neurotransmitters being released, to avoid depletion?
If a bit of protection was to be applied to receptors too, we would avoid desentization.
We would eat the cake and have the cake

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