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You sound like you have a Stockholm Syndrome for this planet, protecting the thing that zero cares about you and your beloved mammal pets?!?!? :smiley:

Your argument would maybe make sense a little bit if it would only apply to humans – but, you ignored completely the part about the mammals. Yes, those very same beloved mammals and pets you also always want to protect and help.

Again:
On Gaia, pretty much all mammals do get the very same treatment as humans do, with pretty much the same child mortatily rates.

Because then, per your argument, all mammals would be considered a disease for Gaia too.

And that would actually confirm what I wrote, i.e. that she does not want any of us (humans AND mammals) to be here in the first place at all!

It seems that Gaia sustains physical life (negentropy) at the very bare minimum that is required for having physical life in the first place.

That’s doing the effing bare minimum and has absolutely nothing to do with love and care (negentropic behavior)!

That’s like having children and constantly keeping them one day away from starvation.

That’s not motherly love.
That’s psychopathic abuse.

That’s someone who gets off on the collective stress that it causes!
Someone completely sick and disturbed.

And what do you mean by ā€œpreventā€?

Humans have been on this planet for a few Millions years now and of all of those years only in the last 250 years we had something like a technological revolution.

So it is not Gaia ā€œpreventing humans from making a mistakeā€, but the complete opposite:

Humanity was abused by Gaia for several Millions of years and now finally decided to take it into their own hands by developing technology that will prevent seeing mothers seeing every 2nd of her children die prematurely.

Humanity finally having enough of being abused and finally taking survival into their own hands is not a mistake – it is finally finding the self-esteem and dignity to say that ā€œI deseve to liveā€ and that ā€œI refuse to be abused like thatā€.

What humanity is doing now, is finally distancing itself from a Million-year long abuser and going into their own self-esteem and their own will to live and be treated well.

Per this argument, neither do any mammals give anything back? Or do they?

But mammals have existed for on Earth for 200+ Million years. The planet still does not care.

Here again, mammals have been in ā€œher gorgeous houseā€ for 200+ Millions of years. They did not appear out of nothing and started exploiting the planet.

I find it shocking how some people are trying to protect the planet above their own fellow human beings and above their own race. Not saying that this is you, but if you look a folks who are often part of those green politcal parties and organisations, they would happily see humanity die and sacrifice themselves for ā€œmother natureā€ to simply continue with her shit show as she was always doing throghout the eons.

PS:
Why do you think is it called ā€œSapien Medicineā€?
Why do you think it is that most fields are actually physical healing fields for all types of issues?
It is because someone finally cared for all the suffering that humanity has been through and is still going through and decided to help where help has been the most needed in the first place.

If you just look at Smallpox alone, 1 Billion people died a painful death because of it. You can look up the pictures if you dare. That’s a type of death I don’t even wish to my worst enemies.

Or Malaria, a tiny parasite, that continues to kill 500k people per year even today, of which 2/3rd are small children!

If Gaia is a living entity, she is more vile and disturbed than the most evil dictators in history – at least when I look at the data.
This planet is doing the absolutely bare minimum in order to sustain physical life and noone who does the bare minimum deserves any praise, any applause or any thanking.

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i only read the first phrase from your triggered response.

i was being sarcastic teasing you. loosen up bro is not that serious.

im sorry i pissed on your cornflakes, i wont do it again.

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Apologies, my phone acted up before I could finish writing a coherent post. I can come back later if you wish though.

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The data is valid.

The question is: what can Gaia do?

Kill the mosquitoes?

In order for us to not get hurt, suffer terribly or die?
Well, it would certainly be good for us…

What if she is not allowed, like a no interference policy?

Is she on her own or rather part of a higher consciousness or subordinate to it, like the solar system and the Sun?

Interestingly, our beloved Sun can also give us lots of harm, like giving cancer and other issues…

Still, maybe they all can intervene and for whatever reasons choose not to, or they are mostly living on a different frequency so to speak, like they have their own cycles, and it would be too tiresome or bothersome to intervene in our lives or lifestyle.

That’s a possibility.

They are just different than us or living by other rules or Morphic fields, being more interested in the macro aspects, offering the possibility for life to exist and to evolve, but being neutral towards us all.

From their point of view, they are doing their job, wether at a minimum level, judging from our point of view, or not.

The question is: do we care about the microbes or other micro-lifeforms living within us or on our bodies (on our skin, Hair)?

Maybe that’s her perspective.
Or a similar one.

Like, whatever, fu… ers come, fu… ers go, it’s not a tragedy, and I’m letting them Evolve too.

They might know or should know that we’re immortal too, thus from their pov thry might he like, well, I’m not gonna wipe your asses or offer you anything beyond the absolute bare minimum, you do your things, just don’t bother me…

From their point of view, those celestial bodies, they know that all comes in cycles, so whatever happens, happens.

They continue their evolution and us, well, ours.

We interact with each other, but each one with our own paths, maybe, Idk…

So, yeah, you’re clearly not wrong in your assessment, since these celestial bodies might not care for us, well, perhaps at all…

Still, that doesn’t make them evil.
They don’t owe us anything.

After all, we can pack our bags and move away from here, Gaia clearly won’t mourn for us lol…

I think it’s all how you want to look at things, thus, you’re right, but Gaia is not wrong either, she just doesn’t care about our reincarnations, about our tragedies, pleas for help, prayers or anything.

Also, technically we need her more than she needs us, at least for now.

Again, nothing is permanent, so maybe one day we’ll respectfully leave, or blow up the planet as a last f u for Everything we went trough…
Jk.

On the other hand, judging from the Astrological points of view, maybe the celestial bodies do care about us, or well, interact with us, but through a natural and also more abstract energetic kind of way, each body having their own influence on us and each other.

Perhaps evolution or caring for us, at all, just isn’t their resume or their path or way of being, or perhaps they do care, by allowing us to evolve, using their resources, physical, Energetical, spiritual, etc.

Idk, this is all just speculation.

Clearly my mom or most people mothers or father or family or well, true friends, care more, in a personal way about them, than any of those celestial bodies, including Gaia/Terra/Earth.

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Good questions.

That comes with the question of ā€œDo we consider biological life as actually being part of Gaia, or not?ā€

What if Gaia is only the rock and the water, but all the plants and animals are ā€œdeseasesā€ that infested the rock?

Where do we draw the line between ā€œGaiaā€ and the beings that live and suffer on her?

As per data, most issues that mammals and humans face, come from diseases caused by microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, fungi and tiny parasites).
What can Gaia do here?
Maybe she can switch frequencies and adjust her own morphic fields to make those microorganisms less aggressive and less lethal?
Maybe she can adjust her own morphic fields to make sure plants grow faster and provide more food for everyone?

If Gaia cannot control basic weather conditions and her own morphic fields, then what can she do in the first place? How is she then different from a basic rock floating in space?

That’s what I thought as well. It seems that Gaia does not care whether you are bacterium or a highly evolved mammal – you are being treated and disposed off in the same way.

Which would imply that Gaia does not give a fuck whether you as an advanced human consciousness will suffer from it more than the bacteria suffers when it gets destroyed.

Which would proof that Gaia has zero additional empathy for any of the more advanced life forms!

Everyone is treated by her in the same harsh and ruthless manner.

It is not about whether one is immortal or not, but about all the suffering that consciousness has to go through.
Beings like mammals and humans with an advanced nervous system suffer exponentially more than lesser developed organisms.
It is highly traumatizing for the consciousness that goes through these experiences of being a human or a mammal.
But the planet doesn’t seem to care about all this suffering and trauma.
Which is the opposite of a ā€œloving motherā€ would do.

Sometimes I wonder what evolution those celestial bodies are actually going through in the first place?

They mostly float through space and absorb information?
And the information from the beings that live on them?
This is currently beyond my understanding.

It seems that celestial bodies mostly accumulate the experiences of others, than making their own.

Or they are mostly making experiences that do not requires a body in the first place, hence why they can just be spheric objects…?

I guess you are right.

And since Gaia seesus as either ā€œdiseasesā€ or ā€œon the same level as bacteriaā€, I don’t think we owe her anything either too.

And therefore have all the right ā€œto exploitā€ her if it serves the ending of our own suffering.

I will not praise someone who does not care about me in the slightest. I will not call her ā€œmother natureā€, but call her ā€œharsh experiences toolā€.

Neither will she mourn for most of the developed animal life.

I mean for the first 4 Billion years or so, there was no biological life on Earth at all and Gaia was literally just rock and water from a physical point of view.

That is exactly my main point.
Since she does not care, we should stop praising her as ā€œmother natureā€ or similar.

As per data, she is nothing but a ruthless platform for making hardcore negative experiences that can serve for personal growth.
A platform is nothing but a tool.
A tool to be used by those who reach the level of being able to wield this tool.

I don’t know about this.

Souls can grow on the astral planes without the need to incarnate into hardcore physical experiences. Those experiences accelerate the process, but they are not needed.

On the other hand, Gaia does not seem to give any fuck how advanced the mammal and human consciousness is that comes here, she just does her own thing without any mercy or considerations. It seems that she is not actually learning anything from the consciousness of those more advanced beings.

My personal verdict:
Gaia is not a caring mother.
Just a ruthless careless platform, a tool to be used.

I am open to other perspectives, but so far looking at the data and using common sense, these are my conclusions.

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what does your higher self tell you about gaia?

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Gaia = the ultimate abusive mother to teach us integration of the motherwound and/or feminine part of the higher self?

I think it really depends on your level of spiritual development. The npcs IĀ“ve met seem to ā€œsuffer betterā€ (for lack of a better word)/donĀ“t experience it as such an existential issue, as they, on a subconscious level know life only as that, lacking the refference point of say conscious astral exploration/experience/advanced alien societys. They donĀ“t feel like they are really being mistreated/deprived of anything, they donĀ“t take it personal.
In the words of my father ā€œWe never could bother with all this spiritual stuff, we had to work to feed us/our familyā€.

If you donĀ“t know paradise, you donĀ“t have a point of refference for the ā€œfall from graceā€.

So, in the end, that all may just be about your ability to handle strain, pain and your experience as a physical human being.

Yes the environment is hostile, but isn“t that the point?

Where can you train free will better than in an environment that does everything to kill and keep you in survival mode?

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you anthropomorphise gaia too much

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You are actually right on this.
I anthropomorphised Gaia too much.
I even anthropomorphised humans too much.
Was searching for reflections of empathy where there is none yet.

Anyways, I was able to come clean with the Gaia topic by using ChatGPT and gaining several new perspectives. I might share it later here.

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