Jesus wasn't enlightened

Spirituality
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i meant this.

u talk about rahu. rahu is a demon associated to shadow planets in astrology.

namah, lilith, adramelech, baal, belphegor, asmodeus, astaroth, choronzon, shugal, lucifuge rofocale, beelzebub, moloch and satan rule every shadow planet within the solar system.

in other words, “hell”. or wherever souls go when they die and they weren’t able to process these energies.

also ngl most of yoguis i’ve seen are right hand path biased and white magicians. they see darkness as “evil” and avoid it.

i don’t believe ramana maharshi could withstand initiating through trans qliphothic labyrinths and multiversal chaos.

most white magicians aren’t able to cross the qliphothic abyss at all. they rely too much on order and God.

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Yes, it can motivate people, but it doesn’t change certain conditions. I mean, for example, look at my life as of example. I never really look at life in a bad, negative way, yet the struggle is a real thing. Though some suggest saying this and that to perhaps manifest a better outcome. In the end. None of it matter if struggle still presist. And it does. From the perspectives of my own life. But i never given up either. I just dealt with whatever situation am and learn it from it.

I don’t try to change my life and run away from my own responsibility to face whatever seeds I’ve planted, in my past life. not in a way to diminish my experience. Changing to better yourself is a good thing, yes! But putting hope on dark, rainy days that are meant to rain on that particular day… all you need is an umbrella… not a magick wand that remove could to sunshine and hope youre all good. Being realistic is a core to avoid unnecessary disappointments. Awareness matters. Its how in the end. We see ourselves growing. Spiritually.

Sharing positivity is good. It really is. I think the world needs more of it, even today. But struggles are real too. We say good things not because we expect them to change our world. They weren’t meant to do that. We say good things because we can support each other, despite the struggles. And maybe, just maybe, because of that good positivity, the world actually does change for the better. But on an individual level, it’s back to karma playing its role.

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Chaya grahas ( rahu ketu ) are one entity. Yes he is a demon. But not all grahas are demons…the physical grahas such as venus. Jupiter. Saturn. Mars. Mercury. And sun. Are not demonic by nature. Its all depends…though saturn itself considered bhadaka by its own nature. The true essence itself is pretty different than what people think of.

Because it’s the order. If you’re moving away from the light, all you can expect is total darkness. Darkness means the struggle multiplies. You dont have to believe in certain god/deity. Just focus on following the rule itself. Which is the path of light.

Whatever it means in your own terms, do it. Even if your ideology is somehow taboo, it’s pretty common these days.

Just remember not to hurt yourself or others. You know.

It depends on the term “darkness.” The real darkness I’m talking about is the one that kills. Darkness, in terms of depression, is just a suppression of emotions, not being able to express them, and it becomes a loophole of self-hatred. But this type of darkness is not condemned, just the one that intentionally hurts individuals…

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Excuse me, Yes he is, and you can pray to him to give you morphic field results.

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I wonder what alchemy was woven into Karma Crucible NFT and what types of Karma it targets. It seems to address all of them, so either Dream hacked the game or karma is malleable to a certain extent

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I understand but only when others say it is nothing just stay positive keep trying things will change, well it doesn’t work that way. All life is a challenge or some form of evolution moving from lower levels to higher levels. Some have it easy some have it difficult that is by design. If all of us have same challenges with same conditions or powers to begin with what is the fun for the Source or God? But people who have it easy don’t like to hear those words, their ego gets so hurt.

Don’t think of it like a struggle if you think so your ego will find ways to keep you as a victim think of it like a challenge and do your best. To your HS nothing matters except how much you are growing and integrating the learnings as you proceed on your path.

Worst thing we do is compare ourselves to others and crave for others’ approval, just don’t.

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:100::100::100:

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why do u think yoguis isolate.

because the world is qliphothic as fck and they just can’t take it. they shine too bright n get easily spoiled.

if u want to navigate big cities n crowds without isolating urself u can ascend through demonic means

i spend all day vamping the fk out of toxicity everywhere from ppl

i vamp their bs to transmute it into something better.

that is actually better or equivalent to being a boddhisatva

everthing in this world has a shadow.

darkness n chaos are just another layer for order n light.

light creates shadow n viceversa.

u cannot alienate them from each other

if u try it, u will build more karma and create more problems to urself n others

u can see many tantric teachers n newage folks commiting suicide n doing awful shit because of this

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This thread turned into an interesting discussion actually. The thing is though, and people should remember this: the initial statement - the thread title - is still an opinion and no absolute truth. This is unfortunate on the one hand because it forges this clickbait atmosphere which usually leads to clashing opinions. But on the other hand it’s nice because it gives way for the opportunity to be mature enough to navigate through such kind of situation. This shows that people can hold vastly different opinions and still get along with each other :+1::+1: It’s a good way and nice to see. Seems we are all evolving in a nice way.

Just wanted to add this in quickly^^

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Sanchita Karma. The storage that hasn’t been manifesting in this life. And also part of the Kriyaman Karma. ( free will ) anything that your mind is currently also making. Or processing into making new karma.

Both combined between kriyaman karma and also agami karma. The pointer. These are karmas that easily and allowed to be changed. And easily burnt. Sanchita karma can be burnt with chanting lord names. Doing any sadhana. Or anything that making your ( agami) the pointer focus on dharma.

The current state of karma like i mentioned above ( prarabdha karma) is the now. The one that keep you alive now. Is the one that is permanent. Fixed. Prarabdha karma itself cannot be changed. By any means. It just means to happen and already is happening. The only thing that cut off prarabdha karma is death.

No such things as hacked. The hacked. Means focus on sanchita karmas. ( unmanifested karmas being stored)

Here. Prarabdha cant be changed. Even shiva the great destroyer of universe can’t do anything to Prarabdha karma of a human. It will mess up the order of cosmic law.

What you can do is to surrender. Then by divine grace. If they willing. Can make things less difficult. But still not 100%. This only can be done with pure surrender. Meaning no wanting of anything.

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The reason why human die itself or anything that dies. Is because the prarabdha karma itself is already exhausted. Meaning there is no fuel to burn your energy. That produces the jiva itself. The breath.

Once prarabdha karma is over. It just means you die. In simple term.

If any of your prarabdha karmas is fully burned. You simple die. Gone.

Prarabdha karmas can be mathematical calculated. Through process of astrology. Not western. Jyothi astrology. Or nandi.

I won’t go into detail much though because it can be a trigger and can cause mental anxiety .

But as for example.

If someone asking to be readed out their prarabdha karma. Suppose to check the active mahadasha.

If the upcoming mahadasha says it will be good, trust me, it will. But if it says it’s not, that’s a life-ruining time for an individual who has to go through it. Antardasha itself provides the flavors. So if a difficult mahadasha is active but a certain Antardasha is beneficial, the result can be altered. If one has to go through the most difficult time of their life, but the antardasha lord is giving them ease, it won’t damage as much. Everything is moving, so they will have their expiration dates, good or bad. It has expiration dates. Same thing with this universe. It has its expiration dates. Small pralaya and maha pralaya. And these are the karmas that we cannot run away. Dashas. You can bring tools. Such as mantra.

Mantra itself is like an umbrella during a heavy storm. While you may not get fully wet, it’s still better to have an umbrella than to get completely soaking wet, right? That’s what mantra is for to keep you dry while the weather is rainy. To keep you balanced. During its bad times.

So what happen if good mahadasha is coming? Just enjoy the fruits.

A good mahadasha means. Anything you do it set you in a completely good position. If it gets wet. During certain antardasha. It provides you not only umbrella. But cars. Mansion. Expensive hotels. And such.

Here summerize of what type of karmas that can be burned through sadhana.

(Sanchita karmas) Can be burnt through any spiritual practices
(Agami karma) changeable. Can also be burnt.
( Kriyaman Karma) this is free will. Can and easily burnt too. It can change your sanchita karma.

( prarabdha karma) unchangeable. Already manifesting. In this current life. Nothing can change this. But death. Whatever written in your chart. It is what you will get. Or lose.

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We’re in the golden age of this Kali Yuga. We have at least 5,000 years of this golden era before the actual Ghora Kali arrives. After this golden era is gone, there will be no good things at all. All will be hell, and survival will be by any means, even killing.

No dharma, but the purest form of hell. Because Naraka itself will become so full that the Earth becomes the place of Naraka.

We have a long way before that Ghora Kali. Chanting mantras, even just once every day, can burn as much sanchita karma for many lifetimes. Whatever sadhana you do. Keep doing it. Doesn’t matter if youre a Christian. Muslim. Hindu. Buddha. Jewish. As long as you remember god is with you. Youre walking with the light.

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its not far at all …they are trying to summon her soon, its the beast Taimet and i believe the next president will receive the head wound and incarnate into her…spirits can only take a body when the person is going to die…once shes here its mayhem

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@Gill
5000 years left is a long time for human years lol.

So no need to worry much. (Not the end of the world yet) still long time

Use this golden time to burnt out the sanchit karmas. Cause after the golden era is gone. Its pure hell lol.

During this golden peroid within kali yuga. Dharma still exist. Embodiment of gods still present. Not really an actual destruction.

The influence of kali yuga present all throughout the peroids. But during this golden gap. Its just happen on certain things. Like certain places. Like club. Where smoke is present. Alcohol and elicit stuff these are rahu dominant places. Must avoid. For the sake of your being.

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idk why all these rhp traditions insist on avoiding hell

sex, death, chaos are organic and natural parts of life.

by trying to strip them away and pushing agendas against them, it creates mass psychosis or insane cultural wars as we’re living now.

djinns, demons, infernal kings must be embraced and that will bring more balance to ppl in general.

avoiding them only creates more shadow and makes you more weak spiritually.

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Because Naraka is a really scary place… you really think it’s just a hot place where you boil and die? Theres no dying once a soul is in there.

I mean, think about where the intense feeling of fire is right now on this earth. Naraka, which is way below and the deepest, lowest place. There’s no mercy once a soul has to go through there. Why do you want to be there? Jesus Christ! You may not believe this huh? Theyre real as your karmas.

The concept of Naraka is an actual place of cleansing through deep mental agony. The suffering itself cannot be avoided, and there is no end to it for a certain duration of time.

The time in Naraka is different from time here. A day in Naraka can be one day of Brahma, or a million years in human years.

This is what they call soul cleansing. Even if you’re a good person, but still have some karmic connections to burn off those negative karmas, you have to spend a few minutes in Naraka. Karma is mathematically calculated, which it is. Whether it’s good or bad, it’s never erased. It’s stored accordingly… you have to go through it. But the experience might be different once awareness is there.

And the level of the pain/experience.

(mean to make souls aware and to cleanse those lingering negative karmas. Usually just few minutes in there)

But don’t worry. A soul that truly went there is a soul that has done filthy things, like killing, rape, and such. Those are heavy karmas. Even using occult science to harm people can result in this. It’s not permanent, by the way. Once the soul is cleansed, it will be reborn as a lower part of the reincarnation, perhaps as insects and such. Then it will go through many lifetimes of unfavorable life in human form.

Now the question is Why? Just why do you want to put yourself through so much suffering? Isn’t being born as a human enough suffering already? We pray, by the way, to be born as humans again in the next life. It’s truly a privilege to have this form as a human. So, let’s use our knowledge to avoid unnecessary negative karma, not to create bad karma and descend to a lower realm…

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i’ve been through purgatory, Helheim, Jinnestan, Qliphoth and trans-qliphothic veils/labyrinths/voids and now i’m venturing through towers of apotheosis

very intense energies, but they must be approached with high responsibility and resilience in mind.

i tried to engage with an islamic hell initiation while being a total newbie and my ego got obliterated by spirits. i felt like walking on clouds without anything to hold on to and it was scary as fuck

it gave me a way much mature spiritual take on life

you can enter these realms without being dead for the sake of spiritual balance and energy processing

dead ppl go to these places to process energies they weren’t able to process during their life time for balance purposes. the universe is about balance yk.

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I understand your perspective very well, and it’s clear that you’re speaking from a solid Vedic–Jyotiṣa framework. I genuinely appreciate the time and detail you put into explaining the distinctions between sañcita, kriyamāṇa / āgāmī, and prārabdha karma, and how you related them to daśās and devotional practice. Within that paradigm, it is a coherent and internally consistent view, and I respect it.

In my case, my path and lineage are Tantric (Siddha Yoga), and the cosmology from which I understand karma is somewhat different. In Tantra especially within non-dual Śaiva traditions karma is not seen solely as a rigid law governing consciousness, but rather as something that operates within contraction, not over Consciousness itself. Because of this, practices such as śaktipāt and the sādhana that follows are understood not only to purify sañcita karma or regulate kriyamāṇa karma, but to radically reconfigure one’s relationship with karma as a whole, including what, from a strictly Vedic perspective, is considered unchangeable.

From this Tantric standpoint, it is also taught that many classical Vedic practices lose their efficacy in Kali Yuga, not because they lack truth, but because they were designed for different conditions of consciousness. Tantra arises precisely as the appropriate upāya for this era.

This is clearly expressed in traditional Tantric texts, for example in the Kularṇava Tantra:

kalau tu nāsti vedācāro nāsti nāsti vicāraṇā
tantramārgeṇa ye yānti te yānti paramāṁ gatim

Meaning:
“In the age of Kali, Vedic observance is no longer effective;
those who walk the Tantric path attain the supreme state.”

This does not invalidate Vedic knowledge or devotion which I continue to honor and practice in my own way but rather points to a shift in emphasis: from the external regulation of karma to the direct transformation of the consciousness that sustains it.

My sādhana still includes mantra, discipline, and surrender, and I hold deep respect for all traditions that lead toward dharma. I’m sharing this simply to clarify the standpoint from which I view tools like Karma Crucible: not so much as a “hack,” but as work on layers of karma that, from a Tantric ontology, are more malleable than the classical Vedic framework usually allows.

Thank you again for the clarity and depth of your contribution. I believe these differences in perspective enrich the discussion when held in mutual respect.

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You know. Okay here the thing. Im also a medium who also see things. Ive done so much reading with these entities or people that are dying. I see people who also about to die and the process of them that i look at them myself. In jyothi perspective. These being called yamadutas. The guardians of death that taking those souls who really did bad stuff. I see them coming to those who really are core evil…its scary. In Abrahamic point of view. These called the angels of death.

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Not really. We are still in the golden age. The truth itself still persists. What this refers to is the lack of discipline regarding the upayas. It does bring a lot of difficulty when it comes to focusing on these matters as the world becomes so noisy and lacks truth, because of the Rahu nature.

While I do agree that the Kali Yuga requires more direct and potent methods, this usually leans more towards tantric rituals than a Jyothi standpoint. Astrology is, in fact, used to determine the condition of certain tantric rituals. Without these, they can fail, especially during certain times of the day.

This where jyothi rescue comes. When doubt creeping in. You read the instructions. Thats what jyothi astrology is. You learning from the light core based. That guiding you while the world is dimming.

But in this context. Jyothi doesn’t diminish by any means. What diminish is the lack of truth in individual heart. Jyothi itself is light. If light is completely out. So does the game of the spirituality itself.

Again to clear this up. We stil in the gap of truth. Where the anchor of satya is pretty much dominant. But the aspect of kali yuga is in the background doing its thing to confuses the mind of those who are seeking for truth.

Its just the noise rahu is creating through the influence of confusion.

I would suggest people in here learn jyothi astrology in general honestly…its good for your spirituality and also any kind of tantric rituals.

and provide concrete actions to do your upayas.

view Jyothi not as a limitation, but as the very ‘light’ that tells us where to look and when to act. Without that lens, even the most potent Tantric ‘hack’ is just a shot in the dark. The goal isn’t to bypass the law of the Grahas, but to use their light to fulfill our Dharma without being blinded by the noise of this era.

Jyothi guides you based on the ( agami karma) pointer of your focus.
It means towards the upaya, the work related to spirituality… or whatever tantric you use.

While also respecting the law of prarabdha karma itself.

while I recognize the power of Shaktipat

​The Law of Harvest In the Vedic view, prarabdha is compared to an arrow already shot from the bow. While sadhana (and certainly Tantric upaya) can change the target

Within the context of ( agami karma)
or provide a ‘shield’ to the archer, the momentum of the arrow (the physical manifestation of past actions) must eventually find its mark in the material plane. Even doing any tantric cant stop the arrow from moving.

Even the Great Siddhas often manifest physical ailments or specific life circumstances. From a Vedic lens, this isn’t a failure of their realization, but the systematic exhaustion of the physical container. prarabdha. The consciousness is liberated, but the biological ‘debt’ is paid.

Okay as an example though. Just as maybe that karma cruible is working on the prarabdha karma itself. To burnt your prarabdha karma. How come are you still in here? What keep you alive if the karma is no longer exist? Where the jiva come from?

If the karma is no longer exist. Which the prarabdha is exhausted completely. Your atma simply has to move away. It doesnt matter though how healthy a person is. If the prarabdha karma is fully exhausted you just die…

This is where the sanchit karma. That i mentioned. It target that. And also the kiryaman karma where you actually making new karmas.

No one in this earth by any chance to remove prarabdha and still alive… if its exhausted completely means we die.

Why i mentioned about astrology in this karma discussion.

Because astrology is the door that let you and calculate your accumulated prarabdha karma. This is not a hard or impossible thing to do. Its part of the jyothi itself which is the light that provides you the lens to prepare you. And what type of upaya you need to work when certain time requires more effort. Jyothi is so important to use for any tantric rituals. Btw. Without any of these it fails. Knowing the basic of Jyothi will know how to tackle certain energy or any circumstances in life. Then you do the upaya. Without the light of jyothi. One can fall to delusion of truth…you can’t seperate these two.

Its like a doctor perfoming surgery in dark room. This can mess up the surgery :sweat_smile:

Jyothi simply means the light…while tantric let you perform the surgery. Without lightning it’s a dangerous way to do…

That is why. Jyothi astrology represents any tools you need. And what tools that you cant use. Because it simply means. Youre not meant for it yet.