Leaving Tips for Servers - Thoughts?

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#61

Since when does require remembering a few numbers (the dish ID’s) and even writing them down into the paper notebook, any brains? Even kids can remember how many toys they have.

Funny, you mention this.
The ONLY place in the world where I have seen this job existing was the United States.
The first time when I experienced it at a Walmart, I literally had a brain fuck asking myself why there is an extra dude there putting my groceries into a bag!?!?!
As if I cannot do it myself?
It was beyond my comprehension why a supermarket would hire someone to do this.
Same with the people at the entrance who are just there to greet you.

And these are just 2 reasons why German supermarket chains like ALDI and LIDL grow at a fast pace in the US and Walmart, Target etc. cannot compete with the prices of ALDI and LIDL.

Americans are good at marketing, but Germans are efficient AF.

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#62

Ngl, LIDL and ALDI suck a bit, I feel bad shopping there.
It’s like a warehouse.

There are Costcos and other American stores in the Paris area, love them. It’s expensive, but awesome. I like the little extras, makes it more fun.

But ALDI and LIDL are much more popular and efficient

Germany has a special situation in the job market and has been in that situation for years, different mindsets.

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#63

Many restaurants require their workers to not write stuff down. So then it becomes even more subjective, maybe certain restaurants should pay their servers more.

:skull_and_crossbones: :rofl:

Life is getting easier and easier man… It’s not good at some point. Feels like soon if someone doesn’t have electronics they won’t be able to talk to someone 2 miles down. Even if it’s a close friend or family member.

#64

The job market pays related to the subjective value that a job provides.

This then tells me that, irrespective of what skills and waiter job needs, that the market is not seeing that much of a value in what the waiter is doing.

If the perceived value that a waiter provides to the market would be higher, then waiters would earn more than minimum wage, wouldn’t they?

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#65

In this case the market is the people tipping them. So it works exactly like you said-

If the waiter does a good job people tip
More

If they don’t they tip less

That’s the market for them

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#66

Nice, I use Sams club which is pretty much the same as Costcos. You pay like 100 usd a year for a membership, but in the long run it’s worth it. Saving money on gas, buying in bulk, etc. Great places.

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#67

Costco is wasteful and the size of the portions are obscene. It goes against all the value of moderation, environment friendly stuff we usually have in France.

It’s like fat and sugary, against the dietary recommendations they usually enforce.

Love it.

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#68

I had a similar experience in a Hong Kong hotel.
There were extra people working there whose only job was to open the main entrance door for the incoming guests.
I guess this was cheaper than installing an automatic door?
I don’t know… :man_shrugging:
It felt like many countries are trying to create jobs for the sake of keeping people employed so that the statistics looks nice.

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#69

LOOOOL. Bro I’m crying.

#70

Nah, this is in places with lots of homeless and crowded places.

I like that. It’s rational.

The more Europe turns into a ghetto, the more we’ll need that. They know tourists have money so hobo come to beg hard, they may even enter.

They are not here to open the door for you, they are there to open the door only for you and not for the rest.

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#71

In this case, since I subjectively do not derive any perceived value from what a waiter is doing, I am not responsible to give tips.
And with this, I should not be guilt-tripped into doing so.
Because if I am guilt-tripped into it, then this means that I am being forced to see value and act as if I perceive value in something where I do not so, a.k.a. putting myself into a cognitive dissonance.

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#72

:skull_and_crossbones: :skull:

#73

I guess? But if you’re in the USA you’ll catch flak for it that’s all I’m saying. It’s the culture here and just like others are expected to follow certain customs out of respect for the country they’re in, this is like that.

But if you’re the one doing the work it’s not expected that you’re tipping here. If someone is serving you like physically bringing the food to your table, you are

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#74

This is a valid point.

In Germany every citizen is entitled to a government paid flat (incl. heating, electricity and water) and minimum social money to feed themselves.
So there are no involuntary homeless people in Germany.

So to solve the problem, a government does not need to invent bullshit jobs like opening doors, but all it takes is a healthy and humane social security system.

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#75

In the US, these days you pre-tip for a bid service in hoping the barista/waiter won’t spit on your food or provides mediocre service. :grin:

God Bless America.

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#76

Look there’s weird things like that. If you’re buying a house, the sellers pay both the seller and buyers agent in the end.

In a restaurant, the customer pays for the food and the service to have that delivered to them

In Europe the restaurant pays for the service and the customer just pays for the food

But tipping is not extra, here. You are literally paying for that person doing their job is just depends to what extent you’re doing it

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#77

Same in France but what about all the non-citizen, crazies and drug addicts ?

For now it’s manageable but once the gov go broke and immigration ramps up. Or when you can’t build projects fast enough.

We don’t have door openers in France either but I’ve noticed it’s a thing in many places they all share the same story.

PS: I’m not saying immigrants are worth less. I’m saying many countries have no growth, high unemployment, a social net that’s in deficit since the 80’s or even 70s. There are not enough jobs and soon enough robots will replace more of them.

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#78

It happens with uncontrolled mass-immigration.

But that’s a topic nobody wants to speak about, europe is a time bomb.

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#79

Yeah, I started the disclaimers to not get attacked.
@Freedom

If you’ve seen the change over the years, it’s scary.

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#80

Indeed.

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