And too many horny people producing.
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The worst that has ever happened to me was that I had to explain to the restaurant manager that I chose to not give any tip because I excercised my right to choose whether I want to participate in âthe voluntary recommendation of tippingâ. Since the US is âa free countryâ, I can have the right to choose, right?
Rights stand above expectations.
And then speaking about respect:
If it is âa recommendationâ and not required by law, but then I am kinda guilt-forced into doing it anyways, then this shows how these restaurants treat and respect their guests in the first place. This is beyond national traditions. A guest cannot feel respected if he/she is guilt-tripped into doing something that is not required by law.
These restaurant owners neither respect their staff (underpaid waiters), nor their guests (thinking their guest are so stupid that they will pay for a waiterâs income through using the forces of guilt and shame).
This audacity of many of these restaurant owners is absolutely respectless towards their staff AND their guests.
This whole âtipping traditionâ is just a cover-up story that restaurant owners use and spread in order to squeeze the most out of their staff and their customers.
Yeah, but @anon25490707 âs point is that they know about it, they adapted to it and it works for them in their country. They compensate in other ways. In their land.
It may sound like an attack on their culture and country
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You mean they âadaptedâ to collectively, as a whole country, living a lie.
A lie where everyone acts as if the restaurant owners are not trying to squeeze the most out of their staff and their customers.
This is how I see the whole mechanism with an outsiderâs point of view.
We all have our lies. Every society.
On the other hand, Americans get paid way more for the same jobs for the majority of jobs.
Their healthcare system is better at medicine, most of them have healthcare insurance. Better food, a lot of better tech, bigger cars.
Most of them donât need ALDI, except for the lowest and poorest but even if they are millions thatâs nothing percentage wise on 300 million. They have a population similar to Europe.
Americans like to show off their success through tips and expensive items. They work more hours per week so when they chill, they donât want to count the cents.
Instead of paying a service fee, it feels like they are being generous and have the freedom to choose how much. Restaurants are a social thing, they tip in front of their peers.
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Why yes, thatâs it exactly. Well, not exactly. Thereâs a baseline level of presumed tipping that enters the state and federal law calculations. So the formula is Minimum Wage - Presumed Tipping = Equals the minimum wage employer is required to pay.
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Thanks for the explanation.
To me this means that the restaurant owners lobby and the government are together ripping off the restaurant staff and the restaurant customers.
This âPresumed Tippingâ thing is probably a unique rule extra made for that industry?
It is basically the government saying âwe believe you donât need to have the right for a minimum wage because we simply assume you will get tipped by customers who believe the collective story of the âtipping traditionââ.
This is what is wrong with the suggested tip.âtâs un-American. The rule is that you tip 20%. You must pay, but you canât be told to pay by the recipient. But you are a great hero for having done so. Take that away, thereâs not point in tipping. Itâs not about wages, itâs about showing off in a system where you must show off. Otherwise, you are an outcast and the wait staff are the victims. Itâs a crazy way to do things, but it sort of works.
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Lol, I am the most frequent poster in this threadâŚ
âŚlooks like I have still unprocessed trauma from my many visits in the US and visiting US restaurants and being guilt-tripped and shame-tripped⌠
There is an easy solution btw for never being triggered by a topic like this ever again: Just be so rich that it does not bother you.
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Yeah, Americans have been very nice and patient
There is another solution, if you donât like it, donât visit
I donât like tipping but itâs turning into the europeans trashing the US thread. Which wasnât the intention, the USA is an awesome country worth visiting multiple times.
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So it is basically a forced flexing thing?
And also showing everyone that you are complying with the collective narrative of âbeing the American heroâ.
All I can say is that stories like these are great ways to market and sell ideas to people. In this case, the idea on âhow to behave Americanâ.
We have local examples of this in Europe, Iâll talk for France only on this one.
Itâs just more apparent in the US, maybe itâs the media and movies etc.
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Iâm sorry Iâm like stirring the pot now but people actually judge each other very harshly here if they donât tip and they donât have a good reason people like clutch their pearls
Lol
If someone doesnât tip at a restaurant youâre used to hearing stories like we waited three hours and no one came to the table or the waiter called me a douchebag etc
Something horrific had to have happened basically
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Tipping also exists at various beauty salons, hotels, garbage men (itâs more a bribe to take an extra can/bag), etc., but it can very by job. Hotel maids are undertipped, but the government sort of knows that, so the wage is probably higher (I think). I try to remember to tip them. Itâs an exception to the normal rule, because you donât meet the maids. They will probably do the a good job if you donât tip (they would be fired, otherwise) but in that case, the tipping isnât so related to performance, and the social display aspect is minimal.
If I would be a restaurant business owner, I would do my best to make sure that horror stories like these never emerge in my restaurants. I feel like this would otherwise repell a lot of customers and create a lot of negative online reviews.
In place where âthe customer is kingâ, a business should never allow for potential situations and escalations where customers would feel bad.
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Oh yeah definitely thatâs another factor now the reviews
So interesting the varied stories
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Every society has a bizarre social contract to keep it all together. This is part of ours. It canât really be judged in isolation
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Itâs so funny talking about it because youâre like it totally doesnât make sense at all but itâs still just the way we swim in the water
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Btw, on the mid astral planes, there are also waiters and people doing this job.
They do not do it because there is any need for money, but because they want to learn something about âbeing of service for othersâ without necessarily incarnating into the harsh unpleasant experience of the physical.
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