Hate bein’ sober 
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Some wonder why this thread was created, I can give my opinion why.
Few days ago a project was completed, leader set up rules for buying copies, 90% did not have problem with it 10% did and 1 called Sammy in for fairness.
Its when i lost my faith in humanity. Since majority had no problem with it.
Then it was said that no one should have the final say over others even the one who started it all. And that things should be set with votes.
Then to avoid any situation like that it was suggested that there would be some ground rules that would apply same for everyone
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This great initiative by Sammy became a ring for people to fight. Economy at conflict with human dynamics and motives, forming clans, favouring some over others etc. My unpopular opinion as said before to have everything as a field, everyone may not like it but it will be fair to everyone.
Yes, that’s why the rules.
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But the thing is that this specific product is a NFT.
And thats how it is. Its different. You cant ask apples to be pears
Its like forcing a company to not expand and just stay as it has always been.
World is moving in that direction, we gotta hook to the changes, specially when we have a big opportunity to build a great life for us. Tailored things to our needs. Wht? Imagine that.
But i understand your sentiment, we just gotta find a middle point because for sure finding one where everbody is happy would never happen.
Don’t worry everyone is spotted sooner or latter.
Well the idea was that those who spent more time on the project would get more copies. So you should be happy if you have spent time on it.
While if you did not then well how much you actually cared about the nft.
Who said so. I agree that it should be fine
But we didn’t think about it back then. Not cared really. It was an idea born recently, and most had no problem with it.
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Yes, both Captain and Sammy know the issues hence their comments and this thread, but unless some iron rules are in place, someone or other will always end up being unhappy or feel cheated. The community from a great place will become like a full-fledged clans those who are in favour of making huge profits off of NFTs vs some who want to just have them for their priceless benefits or some other group etc.
I really wonder how many people will allow someone with whom they have fought here on this thread over difference of opinions to be included in their next projects without holding a grudge or being resentful secretly.
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I’m not against your presence in different groups. If you remember weeks or months ago I sent you a message. I mentioned if you knew about X incident in advance, we wouldn’t face other consequences. However, this time, maybe your presence even as an impartial member arouses a problem. Sorry that I can’t explain it much further. You will find out yourself.
generally speaking if we have some rules here we can decrease some side effects, but avoiding all side effects are impossible. Always there are individuals in every community that drag down others with themselves. I hope years and years pass and I see this forum and community projects still exist.
Sure, lol but there was no one who wanted more based on their contributions. It was said nicely that if anyone said they deserve more than 1 they should go ahead and say it.
Nah, that idea clearly went the wrong way.
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Folks are giving their DESIRES, not building the NFTs themselves.
There’s a reason we’re paying Sapien to make them.
If you don’t like them, make your own.
What others sell their products for is not, nor ever will be up to anyone but the divine being selling that product.
If folks bitch just boot them.
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Hello again!
after further analysis of what transpires here i would say the predatory nature of human beings is shown the best here. that is it no more no less.
Moral is only to an extend there. Where there is the feeling of power over others every harmony and good intent brakes badly. When a person just scroll trough all the posts after Sammy s you only see predatory and terrirorial behaviour, and alot of darkness. Same darkness that rules our world now. Same reasons for the wars and pain in the world. But advanced…
Everybody or almost everybody here is ready to fight and crush the other. Like animals in a jungle. i cannot believe i see that pattern also here in this particular forum. I am mezmarised of the lack of self reflection, lack of good will, and the need to be over the others just to feel good, all the excuses of it here make me sick.
The feeling that one has more as the fellow human. The animalistic deffence.
Are we all here for that? Was this place a beacon of peace and help, a safeheaven from the harsch world outside? Where is the understanding? It is utterly ugly to see the lack of understanging from some owners of NFTs for the complaints of those who have none.
Many people would like the new best things,but thoese many people have not the money or time or experience to participate…those people will bitch and will moan, until compensated or they will no more be a part of this communitiy, or they will grow over it and make different stuff, combine things etc
But for the most part here reeks of cold-hearted business. I think that is a beautiful test from the creators of those audios/nft/items to draw out every dark spot out of the forum to show, and it is there.
in my reallity i use all sapien stuff out of dear need, humbly grateful for the chance to have all what i have from them.
For many others from the forum sapien/dream is a new luxury. that i dont like, but then again these people dont live where i live.
i contribute to this comunity with the thausends euro for audios last year and with my advice here an there in the forum, and i fight where i live for the dear air that i should breathe. and i do feel left out because of the NFTs, because i do think some of them would make my job (i really do work with the sapien fields) here lighter. but i dont have the chance and do what i can with what i have.
And no matter all odds i will not become a predatory attacking animal as others here. my choice. i will remain me, warm heart and service. but the forum is becoming toxic for my heart.
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Well said, very inspirational. I’ll work on these darker aspects of myself.
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I agree. What’s funny is that some people are salty about the fact that someone has more nfts than they do. I don’t understand how that affects them in any way. I mean if they are making more projects let it be public and private it’s their choice and no one is stopping your from doing it. And some even uses the excuse of “monopolizing” and plays the victim card but in the end everyone wants to improve their life with nfts. It’s true in some cases since some has that greedy mindset on the back but still anyone shouldn’t be bothered as long as it doesn’t affect their own fair share. I mean you don’t lose nft from your own wallet do you? Let’s say even if someone has a million copies of many nfts how does that affect you? If you’re supposed to have 5-10 copies of nts based on your own fair share then I don’t see the problem as long as it doesn’t affect your personal amount. There are people who not only wants more and more but also they are bothered by “how much” other folks has on their account. And if someone misses out any community project or public release they should just let it go and wish good like to those who has them and focous on the next big thing for themselves if they really want something. If someone’s intention is to compete then they should be competitive for good qualities like development of mindset that someone else has or learn from people who he feels like better than himself in different aspects of life other than being competitive for things that is the projection of ego and control.
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imagine your living with people, and there is food in the table and just because you are able to (power & money) you take someone else part. do you still find this fair?
maybe you have to have to experience the negative impact of this concept in your daily life to have some mindfulness about it. as we grow from pain & not with joy.
the market concept is not fair either if you wanna take profit you have to take someone else part. look at the crypto when one withdraw money the market cap looses money the coin falls, other holders loose some coin value.
so this is the concept of making profit, and spirituality doesn’t go with that concept, wether you are spiritual for the greater good or you are bunisness man.
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Taking away someone else’s part is obviously unfair. In fact what I was saying is one shouldn’t be bothered as long as he gets his fair share and shouldn’t be bothered about how much someone else has obtained as an act of jealousy and control. But if someone ends up losing his share let’s say if one was supposed to get 2 copies at first (or whatever amount you were promised at first based on your contract) but later doesn’t get it and someone else takes away 1 from him then it’s definitely wrong as it’s not proper justice. (Just an example here) My statement was mainly directed towards the nfts and group projects.
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Seems like a fair chunk of the criticism is not even about groups or users, sure people clashed but it’s about the concept of limited NFTs, the market and else
Everyone has a different idea of what fair is.
We should make some polls, not that it must lead to a result. Just taking the temperature
By creating this micro-economy (which was supposed to be fun) we invited all the old conflicting views.
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As always what is fair is whatever get them what they want.
Can anyone here say that they are looking for the common good at their disadvantage ?
Even the people who are shocked by the behavior here. They have good/not so good reasons to be 
But in the end what they consider fair is what benefits them, I doubt that’s a coincidence.
I’m not here to cast the first stone. I’m not any better. But Dream (the creator) decided to make NFTs based on his options.
We didn’t start equally, some are from poor countries, some are sicker, some a rich, old. Equality is not the goal.
If you find a perfect solution, please share it.
Otherwise, it’s a benefits in your life and some might say (shitty thing to say maybe) but if you have less, doesn’t it make what you get more important ?
So, let’s go back to legitimate criticisms and trying to « improve ».
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Something happened in one group and I saw different members of that group got it off their chests in public. I’m not sure whether you are from that group or not, but the problem was solved, and those members took their lessons. I wonder why you’re still motioning that. Please let it go. This was an internal problem and had nothing to do with the whole community. This problem could have been solved inside the group and we could have been aware of any new decisions later. However this is a small community-somehow like a village- the news spread so fast and till we haven’t faced the next drama it will stay as a top news! Anyway a strict rule comes out of it. As a dear member of this community if you have something to say related to new rules, we wait to hear that.
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I wasn’t a member of that group and whatsoever and don’t even know what group was that. I was just giving a hypothetical example on that comment without referring any group or person in general but thanks for your concern