I am going to be ending this thread soon. I heard enough and will be coming to conclusions. It just seems we really can’t have discussions here, where people aren’t always on the same page. It’s like that everywhere online. Unless you’re in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you, things go smoothly. Well, I blame myself anyways. I had the intention to bring more clarity into all of this and give everyone a chance to voice their thoughts and concerns but it just seemed to make things worse.
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@anon34550888 Raj and I seem to both lack ability to understand u. I suggest u to think a bit about what u are trying to pinpoint, and then write it so u target the issue precisely.
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After few days, everyone will move on.
Maybe it is better to wait, if there is a need to talk about rules.
This thread has deviated Far from its intended purpose.
The three of you need to let it go
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Wish I can be as cool headed and diplomatic as you:joy:
lot to learn from you.
Everyone will I hope. I just want us to move past this. And yes, it deviated from its intended purpose. Hence why I intend to end it today.
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Thanks for the praise bro, just dont pick up on my poor taste for having gamer nickname on forum and u will be good 
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Cut the cord ( thread) saviour
Oh you have no idea what I have in my mind for your toast speech.
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Yes, cheer up for each other. I’m really sorry for both of you. This is the last time that I come to this forum where every now and then people like you let themselves to bring inconvenience to the whole community.
Common marjan. Make peace. Camaraderie was out of our acquaintance. Nothing to do with you.
We are all good. Let’s respect sammy.
This is one place I see positivity. I wish to keep it the same from my part.
You will love this place soon.
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Didn’t I just say to let it go… Raj and shadow are friends. I think you misinterpreted there. I didn’t agree with them bringing a personal issue to the public either but I’m not about to hold on to that. It happened and now it’s time to move on. Not throw shade
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I think i did it though
Fine. I honestly don’t hold it against anyone. It is what it is. Time to move forward. I’m working on piecing all this together but it will take me some time. Yesterday should have been the day but the war had me in a down state for the day. Back to feeling normal.
Random thought but will randomly add, I do plan to do something about streamlining the process of getting NFTs approved and ready to go for dream. I know that has been difficult for some groups as well.
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One concern I have is this point. This could also make it where someone who ‘contributed’ more will get more NFTs and dominate the market with sales and trade. That seems off to me.
True. After reading everything I read, I don’t think that certain people should be entitled to be able to buy more of an NFT than others. Contribution can be rather subjective. But again, it’s up to the group as a whole to decide.
Also, should each community project be listed? In the past, there have been private groups created where no one knew about the project before it was released.
I will be making an official thread that gets pinned in the community section that shows all the projects going on right now. The public ones and quite possibly… the private ones. Next to the group name and very short description, can be a message saying CLOSED or ‘open for new members, contact this person to join.’ It just all looks disjointed and some of the threads for groups are closed and not even taking more people in.
I’ve suggested the idea of raffles as well in a group I’m leading, taking inspiration from @SammyG and his webinars.
A small number of copies will be reserved for the community. Those who pick the right answers will be given the time and can wait for us to finish, then they will be sent the link. Looking for additional opinions or suggestions on this.
Raffle idea is a fair idea. I’ll leave that up to the groups to decide. Won’t be a rule but it’s a nice idea I believe.
I see where your coming from with this brother I truly do but when the wonderful 13th skull gets sold for around 20k or other NFTs get sold for a high price everyone is quiet.
People were not quiet about the skull NFT. If anything, that made the most noise for me lol. Had to deal with quite a bit when it initially released.
So just because some people want to sell their NFTs cheaply doesn’t mean I have to ! I see a worth that others may not see, but if the whole group agrees to certain rules and then suddenly they start doing the opposite what does that say about a person ?
What this does is make someone else’s NFT look cheaper. I can’t change it but it’s another thing I don’t like about these random prices. It creates a competitive landscape in a way and this shouldn’t be that. What makes one group’s NFT way more valuable than another groups? That’s such a subjective claim that no one can really make any objective claims about. I just hope people don’t see it that way.
Value really is subjective. But as is in the NFT market. The description of a field and its attributes will feel subjectively different to every single person. What feels like 8k to one person due to their desires or wants or value of the art itself will be different to someone else. At the end of the day… as another user said here, it is art. So it’s different than selling consumer goods. So in that I agree.
The thing that’s not fair at all is when the people don’t respect the NFT (gods above all and the work of the group) and sell it super low.
Monkeyowl made a good point that selling super low doesn’t make sense if you sell it for a higher price than you paid for it. Anything higher than that is technically not super low.
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And the knowledge shared here that contributes to the creation of NFT is not something that people are creating on their own, it is the work of so many authors and researchers, if there is no internet from where the knowledge would come? Just because someone spends some time pasting content from somewhere else should not give the person the right to be the gate keeper and prevent others from getting the benefits.
And to keep things simple, NFTs should be for very exclusive things like a specific God/Goddess, some specific skill instead of having more and more things as NFT. If everything is NFT then more and more people get discouraged in the long run.
Yeah, I don’t believe every new thing should be an NFT. Dream has been far more busy than usual recently and his internet has made uploading videos and whatnot almost unviable. This is but a temporary slowdown.
The forums secret community would make the trustworthiness of the badges nearly impossible.
It’s easy to get a multi vouch when you have a crowd cheering for you.
A couple of you have made some really good points about this and… you’re right. It probably wouldn’t be fair. I don’t think people even recognize when they are being biased and I see it here an everywhere all the time. It’s almost unavoidable. If you like someone, you let them get away with quite a lot. Not saying everyone but this is the norm. Heck, I’ve done it too.
why NFTs are limited? Why only available for short time.? Why not like other protected fields that we can buy at anytime
when limited, price always goes up in market. Even matchmaker was traded at high price just because it was stopped.
I assumed that dream gets a commission for every resale. So higher the price, higher the commission. It is for the same reason I thought people trade NFT for higher price .
Guess my assumption is wrong, realise it after reading most comments on exorbitant price.
hype around ambrosia had to do a lot with “limited sale”. Why wasn’t it made Available like other fields?
Once again, I respect the process of sale( NFT, LIMITED EDITION etc) I just wanted to know the reason behind choosing the process of sale.
A few people answered but this is the nature of NFTs. Scarcity. When you go to a store, there are a limited amount of each product. NFTs allow for digital items to also come in limited amounts and so you end up with one of the few of those items that were being sold. If the NFTs were infinite, nobody could sell or trade them since they are infinitely available. It grants more special value to each digital item, as you personally own it for yourself. It’s like buying a gold necklace. It’s tangible… you can wear it, sell it or even trade it.
The extraordinarily high NFT prices makes it very unlikely to be sold but more possible to be traded.
So that’s actually good then, because it encourages trading!
True. Goes back to how subjective pricing is though. Someone may have an NFT that is being sold at a lower price than another NFT, and then that may affect the trade with someone else. I would hope not at least. Value is so subjective here. Really is.
No, such things are never obvious at all.
First, there is the need for transparency and being a team player in a group.
If someone intends to give out a purchase link to several other forum members, then it for sure should be first discussed within the project group so that all members are okay and aligned with that.
Second, the whole group should have a vote whether extra copies should be given out to people outside of the group who never contributed anything to the project! If individual members in a group keep the rest of the group in the dark, then this is not team play in my opinion.
Of course, this is something that is left to a group.
Creates this battle of wow, since this was priced higher then people will think our nft isn’t valuable…
This is as I thought of it at first and it might influence others to then just start pricing their NFTs higher as well, since that might affect trading… As I said, I would hope not. Value is subjective. You see this with NFTs outside this market. Monkey avatars worth a $1,000,000 that I personally don’t think is worth that much. But to some people it is. So the balance is that in a sense… you as a consumer determine whether something is as valuable as it seems. We all have different goals and desires and some NFTs are more connected to those than others are.
Unlike what Dream offers on YT, patreon, gumroad or teespring, NFTs from group projects are more like art works. Those fields (including public NFTs) on YT, patreon, gumroad or teespring are more like consumer goods. Consumer goods cater to masses and offers general utilities, while art works cater to some very specific, niche needs of a small bunch of people. Of course they have very different pricing and sales channel. ****
Connects to my point above. The nature of NFTs are very different than consumer goods and are more like artwork. Beautifully said and sums this up quite nicely.
I think it’s because there is this misunderstanding about making a similar NFT.
I agree we shouldn’t make the same, but people take it too far.
Then it’s like “these guys made it faster to cut me, so I can’t make it. I’ll never have it because only one man can make it”.
They can find new ways to make the fields they want for the original price. It’s easy.
It just takes a tiny bit of innovative thinking. Limits can be a good thing, makes us improve the concept
(if we allow sameness, then people will just make nfts similar to other nfts they cant afford or get… might have to mention in a thread all the ones in progress and are closed. Gotta know whats available)
Exactly. I think we can get variations of similar fields. Technically, we have this in our youtube channels or even gumroads where we sell or upload fields that are similar to other fields or have different combinations of them for a unique purpose. I think similar NFTs to others is fine to do. So as long as it’s unique enough to stand enough on its own. So if you miss out on an NFT, you can make a group and create a unique variation…. So as long, as it isn’t directly copying and can stand out on its own.
I feel very little incentive to continue with public projects at this point. I’m contributing almost fully formed concepts from the get. Its unfair for others to contribute so little and then buy multiple copies and resell for $1,000s. In addition there is constant theft of ideas, and of course the link sharing.
The link sharing is something that can be investigated. If it was done against a group’s will, then contact me. The question is… what are the penalties? I can understand trust badges not seeming fair. But the penalty badge that stays for a length of time that lets people know someone did something outside the rules may be necessary… otherwise, people are likely to keep doing things like these. In the main forum, if people break the set upon rules, they get suspended. In your private communities, if someone breaks the agreed upon rules here, I don’t think it’d be fair if they get suspended. Hmm…
I think if people do arbitrarily break the rules and truly F over someone during a trade or sell…. Or even post a link publicly on the forum out of spite. Or start sharing it to other people when it was agreed not to do that… I think everyone can agree that such things can be punished with a suspension. What do you all think?
Why is it always adjudicated on the front end…and based on someone being silent? Maybe they’ve joined to learn? Maybe they’re not saying anything because they don’t know anything. Doesn’t that count for anything or is it all based in direct inputs? No one seems to want to quantify what participation looks like…and that’s because the thought of it is crazy making! I could go on but I think you get my point.
Instead I offer that you work to release this requirement of “equitable contribution”. It’s illusory and too hard to quantify. Focus instead on the work…and yourself… and what is it you want done…and let Karma/God/the Universe handle the ‘fairness’ bit.
Don’t get me wrong. You’re on the right track. Small groups of like-minded people are the way to go. But you’re headed toward a world of bitterness if you hold on to this outward focus of equitable contribution. Focus on what you want to do and let everything else fall into place. And be ok with people being just average, you know. ********
It’s hard to deny this being true. The metrics for someone being a contributor are so subjective that it doesn’t seem quite fair to judge people on how or what they contribute. I think if something doesn’t participate at all… I can understand why some people would feel the way they do. But if someone is participating here and there and even if they don’t contribute too much to the makings of the field… that should be fine…
Cause like Phil said, there is a grand amount of copy and pasting. Not like every contributor is writing out a whole thesis and gathering a whole bunch of research they personally did over the years. And that’s fine. Contribution in a sense is participation. And it doesn’t need to be constant, day in and day out… people tend to have busy lives.
Community projects are a way for us to remember, in the future, that we co-created with Sapien Medicine.
The NFTs are the permanent fingerprints from that period where we discovered we also had power in our hands ;)
Beautifully said
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Concluding thoughts
‘Community projects are a way for us to remember, in the future, that we co-created with Sapien Medicine.
The NFTs are the permanent fingerprints from that period where we discovered we also had power in our hands’
That’s the core of what these community projects are. But if you dig a bit deeper, it teaches us a lot about ourselves. These collective efforts are collective journeys from which everyone involved learn quite bit out a topic, learn about others and even themselves a bit. And the lovely you get when the NFT is in your hands and all that work you put in is finally actualized. It’s a very unique process and I’m not gonna take it away.
We saw its ugly side in this thread but truthfully… there is ugliness in everything. It is but a reflection of the flaws we still carry as people. And that’s just duality. Recognizing that, accepting it and transcending it is the goal here though. So I do have some ideas on that but before I move on… here’s what I conclude from this talk.
Groups still have the power to choose amongst themselves. The prices they’d like to charge, how many per each person, ext… All I will say is this. Don’t allow for just one person to have all the say and sway in a group. That is not going to rock here. Allow people to voice their thoughts and concerns and if there is a lot of disagreement, take it down to a vote. We aren’t always going to get what we want but let’s be fair at least. If you don’t feel things are fair or being handled well, just PM me and I will come as a neutral party to do what I can to bring balance.
As for penalties, I am willing to suspend users who arbitrarily break a groups rules or F someone over in a trade or a sale. Time and severity depend on the situation. It will be decided on a case by case basis. Come to me and we will figure it out together. They can also be barred from posting their trades/sells from the NFT trades thread. Considering the situation would be known by people in private groups, that person’s reputation will also suffer.
Penalties such as these should deter people from breaking rules and trades/sales agreed upon. They only end up hurting themselves in the end as they won’t even be able to join new NFT groups as I would monitor the person and make sure they don’t. Again, depends on the severity. But the penalties won’t last forever.
Someone also mentioned something about an official thread as well. I agree. There will be an official thread with all the NFTs. Short description of the NFT and a message that says either closed or open to new members. And if you wish to join, contact ______. There is too much clutter in the community section and you can’t even tell sometimes which groups are closed or open.
Reason for this is so that people can know what NFTs have been made, their specific niche and whatnot so if they do have an idea… they can think of doing something different. Variations of the same idea are fine so as long as they are unique. There are several money making NFTs for example but they are all quite different.
Also a part of the thread can be for different interests and people mentioning that they are interested in this certain niche of topics. And when they post what they are interested in, their name can be added under that niche. So when the day comes a new project of that calibur is being announced, they can be tagged!
But now the most important part… I had a realization upon reading this whole thread. I don’t think the FOMO is just about missing out on a cool NFT. I personally also feel as if people are missing out on a lot of valuable content. On the communal journey. On what this whole forum is all about. It’s become all about NFTs and heck, people want in but either don’t have the time to commit an just want to read, don’t get in one in time or didn’t get invited. And you know what, that’s fine… the main forum should more than make up for that.
And it hasn’t. It has been stale. And I blame myself for that. We should be engaged in what drew us to this forum in the first place… Morphic fields. Exploring them together. Doing group experiments and sharing our results. All trying out a certain stack and mentioning our experiences on it. Asking philosophical questions that we all dig deeper into. And speaking openly of our flaws and all encouraging eachother to push through them. But also…
Perhaps do some public projects together. Something everyone can feel they can contribute to and not feel like they have to be fully attached to. And make it into a gumroad/teepsring field or free even.
And if we publicly make an NFT together in a thread… we can set up a raffle that gets a number of people the link for the day it’s released. So they get a heads up before others do. And I then post link publicly for people to buy.
Reason I mention this is because sure everyone can have their private clicks. But there is a public community for everyone as well and that’s how it should be in an online forum. That’s what it was. And it’s time to bring it back to that. Although this got heated a bit, thanks for all the suggestions. It was a necessary discussion I think. I’m sure we’ve all learned from it in different ways. I certainly did and realized what I needed to the most from all this. So thank you.
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This is exactly what i have contemplated in the 2 groups im leading now!!!
Really good idea 
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(Sorry for not quoting people directly, had to do all this through MS word)
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I can’t say I agree 100% but it seems fair and well balanced, I would have a hard time arguing against that 
I guess now it’s a question of knowing the date of effect and pinning these new rules in the hallway
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