Michael and Thor

#245

Yes. Because I answered most of your question pre-triggering when I was responding to Atreides and Jennyfire.

And yes, this is why I don’t do “hypotheticals”…

Give me an actual example with all the details, I’ll tell you where I believe that “vague” line is. Otherwise it’s mental masturbation.

And again, there’s not some “Judge” up in the cosmos determining what’s “past” that line or not.

Heck, even very high level “beings” get “trapped” by trying to “help out” (perhaps you should go back and read Samurai and my original exchange on this topic… I dont want to rehash) and get caught with karmic entanglements.

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#246

Oh, so it’s case per case, but my case was good for generalization like roofie. Ok, so you explained what free will is and where it began and stops. Gonna check it out.

Higher being gets trapped, but you know for sure, we should not help and the consequence we’ll face from helping are bad ?
You see 100% of the picture, you see beyond that step right ?
Or you “guess” based on your subjective experience and the testimonies of others ?

#247

My guess is that we are affecting people all the time with our fields. The fields have 3 meter radius. Imagine when we are walking in a crowded area how many people come in contact with our fields.

Imagine when we are in our work office spending hours with our workmates and affecting them with the fields. For example I sometimes wear ascension, sometimes eternity and so on. I guess my workmates near me are also affected by the field.

In this situations are we also influencing people’s free will?

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#248

You need to tell them now, or you’ll face karmic consequences. It’s like gravity you can’t escape. TELL THEM NOW !!!
Or make sure you can’t help or influence them before. Lock yourself up in a donjon or tell them.

With the voice of charisma and glory, I’ll need to go on tv and explain how I influence them

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#249

Ok… first admit you’re not looking at this clearly…
You’ve taken Atreides hypothetical situation and placed it into your real life situation.
At NO point was I responding to your real life situation.
(How could I? I was talking about to Jennyfire and Atreides and you jumped in…)
And I still stand by what I wrote.
I’m sorry for your loss and personal trauma but that doesn’t change the slippy slope of psychopathy example I used.

So at this point, you can choose to be offended but if you read what I wrote and when I wrote it, then you’ll see what my point was.
You choosing to internalize it is on you…

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#250

Yes.

#251

Nah, it’s not about trauma. I’m free of it. Some people tried to diss my “hypothesis”, so I said it was true, it’s all.

But I don’t like preachers, you jumped on what I said. So now finish the preaching until it makes a good loop of everything in the universe. If you don’t know the end you can’t judge, you went that way no ?
“You can’t see now but…”
Well if you know better than dream and Sammy, finish, I’m ready to learn.

#253

Maybe I will when you calm down… maybe… until… nope.

#254

I’m calm, just passionate. Something finally interesting. Go ahead, finish the story.

You’re not even answering, just going on your high horse and telling me to calm down. I can’t see that helping now will have consequences. Can you see after the consequences ?

#255

Oh by the way, tell me how what i’ve said is different than Sammy or DW… since you want to be snide and personal about this.

#256

You reply to a question with another question. Let’s not get sidetracked with a secondary item here.
If you don’t answer me, why shouldn’t I do the same ?

We’ll go step by step and I’ll admit my wrongs in due time, okay ?
It’ll make more sens going chronologically

#257

We are done for the day @Philip_Weiss, at least I am… with you… in this convo.

#258

Maybe tomorrow you can come back and answer how do you know or even what do you think happen after the negative consequences of helping while violating free will.

It could be a good thing that I helped, negative karma, then another good thing to infinity.
You blew my mind, I want to learn. I’m sorry if I was rude at some point. I want the climax.

Lol, gravity is a law you’re right. But we don’t understand it that much. Ever see interstellar ? Who know if I’m not jumping in and out of a karmic distortion where it’s inverses or it’s different for everybody. See object falling in the moon ?
Maybe we can engineer karma, so many possibilities. I want to know what you know. Karma may be subject to Fayouyou the energy of the non existing. I can’t see karma, you can’t see Fayouyou.

Maybe our theory of karma is not optimal yet, we didn’t get to gravity in one step, lots of mistakes.

You don’t need to believe in SM for it to work, if you wear it knowingly it’s good, if you do unknowingly al the better . That would go with my experience. I’m better, she is better, the earth is better :man_shrugging:

Maybe you higher self is also limited and blind to certain thing. You breach is scenario but the ego also resist stuff and we try to control it. Maybe at the cosmic level it makes sense and you higher self should bend to it. Karma might be the resistance of the higher self. If anyone know tell me.

I respect you, you’re one of the smartest around here.

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#259

I just wanted to thank you after reading your posts some people came into my mind (one person especially). I did exactly that helped them without their consent. At that time I had good intentions but whew I feel much better now after I asked my higher self to help me with these weird connections. If I had to describe it it felt like a very strong cord felt way deeper than others. So deep that I thought It was really a part of me or my “personality”. Always thought these issues or thoughts that came up were mine that I had to work on… but to my surprise many of these were influenced from these “cords”. So I didn’t help these persons everyday for a long time withouth them knowing. Really on one person it was a one time thing maybe thats why I felt the result so fast but I feel so much better now. So thanks again OM and at least in my opinion… everybody just ask it’s not worth the drawback lol.

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#260

Dont blame anyone then

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#261

This thread has gone too far… :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I think I should share my perspective also, of course without offending anyone.

The way I see that is pretty simple and not complex but still complex. karma, consequences, free will. All that matters is your intention towards other beings. but you should not go too far with your good “intention” that affect other beings’ “free will”. You may think if the intention is all that matters then why I should care about “free will” It all depends on your situation and the action you have chosen to take that affect others some way and so, consequences will generate based on your action and situation.

So, I am going to give some example here:

You know a guy who has some nasty intention, you know he will rape someone or will kill someone, in this situation you know everything, what can happen and you have two options prevent it from happening or let it happen the way it is going to happen. if you chose to happen and let the girl get raped then it will count in your account. because you were aware of everything still you chose not to do anything. You did nothing still you affected many lives. by not taking any action. But if you chose to prevent it using any way using your brain and if it can be prevented even if no one knows you prevented something bad to happen. You affected many lives here again but in a positive way. it will count in your account too but as a “good karma”.

Second situation: someone you know is really sick and you really want them to get healed asap. you know a lot of things which can help them heal but if you secretly heal them then it will go against their free will because you have not even asked them if they want to get healed. this could be a life lesson for them to take care of their bodies nicely. but you went ahead and used your magic or whatever you can secretly. Your “intention” here is good but you cannot help anyone who doesn’t want to get healed.
If somehow you managed to heal them secretly then still it is good karma but it may bind their karma with you which will affect your life. But if you tell them that there is something which can help them heal and you know it how and you can help them in all that if they agree with your help then go ahead. here you have not affected their “free will” you asked they agreed. So that’s good karma for you if they get healed because of you they will remember you and will give you some blessing which will affect your life in a positive way.

So, the karmic consequences depend on the situation and the action you have chosen to take. no one can tell you if you have generated negative consequences because no one knows what your intention was, what was your story, and how you had chosen to take action.

This is a very complex system no one can tell you the 100% truth. even higher beings don’t know the 100% truth the astral also have restrictions there are a lot of things which no one knows yet. (This is my perspective, just a one-man perspective.)

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#262

i like this explanation. take your wisdom into consideration when making choices.

i see “karma” as the ripples from any item being thrown into a body of liquid.

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#264

To be honest I didn’t use the cord cutter that often but after thinking about the times I did use it… Kinda yes and no. Maybe it did work on these cords but I think they always came back right after or not long after that. Now they are gone and I feel much better. It felt like I’ve been dragging these people along on my path… energetic things are felt better and more intense and… even food tasted better for whatever reason. You know the food charger from dream seeds? after removing these cords I could feel the love literally radiating from my cookies and my body felt warm after eating them lol. Before I could tell it was love infused but lessened and not to the extent where I could feel it so intense.

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#265

You don’t want to JUSTIFY. Let those who KNOW the topic speak: _OM

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#266

Small updates and speculations (also resonating with some members’ past experiences and warnings):

So as I already said, I’m with Michael since recently and Thor’s (Loki’s) Mjolnir since months. The latter has always been very comfortable for me, since the very beginning (a few exceptional episodes aside). But Michael?..

Especially for the last 2 days, he’s been playing the banjo with my whole system in a more and more crescent way and brought back the angry side of Taurus on my inner stage. I was like: “You had to come and spoil my recent hard-earned serenity, huh you imposter?! But I will hang on tight and make you cry hiding behind your wings. I’m sick of playing it nice and soft anyway”.

(Hellooooo Ego and its “irritations”, as my Aegean neighbor @anon96557306 says).

Then, it became: “Sorry Mikail (his name in my language), it’s not you, it’s me, boohoo :’( “.

Until I decided this morning to listen to the first 2 audios of Point of No Return Stack (the 2 that I’ve been neglecting recently, while messing around with other fields that I do maybe not need). He seems to have approved that, as well as my decision to get again more physically active and mindful of all the stuff that I was postponing since a while.

So Michael = a ruthless life coach, instead of a tolerant person-centered therapist. A relationship to be watered like a plant.

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