My theory on why fields might not work sometimes

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#1

Hello again,

As I acquaint myself with the forum, it occurs to me that a lot of people experience a sporadic working of the fields…meaning sometimes they work and other times they don’t or they work differently for different people. I’m interested because it happens to me as well.

One theory I’ve developed is that maybe one’s soul/higher self/greater consciousness/daimon et al is at work.

There’s a great short play by Thorton Wilder called “The Angel That Troubled the Waters” (https://www.loa.org/images/pdf/Wilder_Angel.pdf) which, in part, (based loosely, I would say, on story of the healing waters of the Bethesda in John 5 but also I think in mythology…) is the story of a physician who visits healing waters in hopes of a cure for a (to him) hideous but unseen ailment.

Short version: In this story, The Angel appears at the healing waters once a day to stir it. Whoever reaches the waters first (after the stir) gets cured that day. But it’s only one person per day. So the physician comes every day and every day he gets closer to being 'the One". So the day comes where he should be “the One” and just as he’s about to enter the waters the Angel tells him “…Draw back, physician, this moment is not for you.” And so the physician tries to make his case to the Angel as to why he really, really should be “the One”.

What the Angel said next is really…stunning…well here it is, in part…

“The Angel: (Stands a moment in silence.) Without your
wound where would your power be? It is your very remorse
that makes your low voice tremble into the hearts of men.
The very angels themselves cannot persuade the wretched
and blundering children on earth as can one human being
broken on the wheels of living. In Love’s service only the
wounded soldiers can serve. Draw back.”

I get super emotional every time I read that, especially that last line…anyway,

My theory is that maybe the thing you’re trying to heal (with the fields) but can’t, is the thing your soul needs to come to terms with (for lack of a better phrase) in this lifetime? In other words, without your wound, how would you serve? Indeed

Food for thought.

I’m interested in thoughts on this as well as other theories.

Thank you for your kind attention.

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#2

I am sorry but im going to strongly disagree with it all. :grimacing:

First and foremost the root of so much suffering in the world is exactly the misconception that we came here to suffer, that we have to go through hideous painful quests to deserve some mercy, and insert here the believes in many religions more or less that if we are happy, abundant, healthy, then we havent learned anything so there wont be heaven for us.

Second, that theory is not helping or healing anything or anyone, it has no purpose other than sharing suffering, understanding the suffering of others by one be suffering too.

What can that achieve?

Why would anyone aim to evolve and ascend to higher purer freer dimensions and realms if not from having tasted at some point some of the joy of transcending suffering and pain?

Thats what we want!

Thats why we keep pushing ourselves up because is as we heal that we understand that theres more to this misery we grew up believing we most accept without trying to change anything!

And as we heal, and move forward we teach others how to heal, we help bringing up the inner power of each person so they can free themselves too.

So if i walk by some people that are suffering of hunger, should I leave everything and sit next to them and cry along, and do nothing? What would that accomplish?

But if instead i find a way to get this people a mean to earn their food, teach them, inspire them and show them how to come out of the dark, thats bad? Because thats what this writer suggests.

The only thing we have to constantly and profusely watch out for is keeping the ego tamed and at bay, nurturing our heart and fill it with compassion and kindness, so we dont forget those who are still struggling while we are going up.

Hurt people hurt people
Healed people heal people

Theres no way i can be a catalyst of a positive change if i am buried in the mud.

Theres no better or bigger reward for me at least than teaching helping and showing others how IT iS POSSIBLE to get there and there by example.

And nothing would ever make me think otherwise :slightly_smiling_face:

Also people who believes these things are full of blockages and that is the reason number 1 why fields dont work for them

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#3

:heartbeat:

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#4

Wow, that’s a lot to infer from what I wrote. Not sure how to respond to that or even if I should.

If your mind is closed and your opinion settled, then all I can do is wish you well.

#5

Its not from what you wrote but from what that man wrote. Now you agreeing on that is your choice.

All i did was given you my opinion which you openly asked for it, im sorry is different than yours.

And not just my opinion but for sure that the main reason why fields dont work is because mental blockages being number 1:

“I dont deserve this or that, so i reject it”

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#6

Woah what a twist :scream_cat::joy_cat:

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#7

strike 1 for u kid @Zen

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#8

/Now I can work my magic with fake merits and demerits… :smiling_imp:./

-10,000 pts for you @Josh…

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#9

listen young man, while you typed that message I did 200 push ups

who really won

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#10

Me, Mao and Dream did these astrally while you were goofing off doing “manual” pushups

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#11

Lol *brings popcorn

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#12

I surrender old man

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#13

Wise… /returns 5000 pts back to you/

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#14

i can definitely appreciate the story for what it is!

but i also love @anon46520955 insights.

as a human living this human life, if i was the physician i would have replied, “alright, then let’s switch and you can take my place.”

:woman_shrugging:

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#15

No need to apologize for having an opinion…I take no umbrage with that or anything you said. It is after all what I asked. My point is only there’s no way to respond when someone concludes, as you did, “…And nothing would ever make me think otherwise.”.

On the contrary, I say (without mailce) “Bully for you!”

#16

That would be quite a twist!

Sometimes I see people who are so gifted in ways that can’t be taught (only experienced). Nine times out of ten it originates with them accepting the gift of their suffering.

That isn’t to say one deserves suffering or anything like that. But if one can bargain with their suffering (when it comes - unbidden or not - because it will come) and endure it long enough (instead of avoiding it), there’s usually some kind of gift on the other side. Seems to me, my Higher Self (like the Angel in the story) would place that trial in my path as an opportunity for growth. An opportunity I could then either avoid or accept.

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#17

Well then thank you for not giving me your opinion about my opinion because if what i said left you without words it means the words you wanted to say were going to aim changing my opinion and perhaps i felt them coming :wink:

I am in fact a very very open person to hear others opinion about anything because we can learn from absolutely any one, except there are things for me that are not negociable like this one then i state nothing would change my way of seeing this or that, so not to waste the other persons time trying to make me think otherwise :slightly_smiling_face:

But its your post after all you can comment anything

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#18

Oh, on the contrary, your post left me with lots of thoughts and lots to say. However, I hardly ever feel inclined to ‘convince’ someone of anything. I’m happy to know your point of view, especially since it informs me of your good character.

There’s a song… “getting to know you…getting to know all about you…” haha! for me it’s like that - all a part of getting to know someone.

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#19

i want you to feel that you can express what you want to say, just not trying to convince me thats the difference, but if we are clear on that, then i do want to read more of your feelings regarding this.

From your initial post i could feel how deeply the mans words have impacted you, and I apologize if i focused on the mans words only (i think i just dont like people with a lot of influence -the man has won prizes and all- using that in a way that can keep backwards the evolution of people and most important the eradication of suffering) and not in your emotions specially showing yourself vulnerable in hopes of giving understanding to others, which is noble and def welcome in the forum.

We just see every day in our lives whether in the forum or outside people being stuck in suffering, health issues, mental issues and blind to the fact that there are ways to overcome that and all they need is to be open to the change and healing and allow us to ignite that inner power that could set in motion a new bright happy future.

But for what is worth yes, the most influential people for positive life change throughout history have struggled and overcome a lot before the illumination :wink: being illumination the awakening moment to the truth, what truth? That We all have the power to overcome anything, and then help others awakening their own abilities and power.

So yes, pain will always catapult transformation but only when is used properly and when its a transitional state that shouldnt last long, otherwise people remain in that suffering state, ironically embracing it and accepting it covered under a “noble humble acceptance of it” which is merely fear of breaking through and face the challenges to overcome all of that.

The ones that have gone through hell and back and succeeded will always quickly try to light the path for others… not to avoid the lesson of the struggle but to use it fast as a motivation to get rid of it.

But also dont forget that there are some that couldnt and found peace in the comfort of accepting something as it is instead of trying to change it and want others to remain in that place.

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#21

For me, life is amorphous. Philosophically, I avoid hard conclusions in favor of ever evolving ‘data points’. Take “suffering”, for an example. On the one hand, I understand the inclination to want to completely eradicate suffering. Hearing the stories of , or worse yet, observing the suffering of others (especially when one is powerless to help) is absolutely heart breaking. On the other hand, however, when I look back at my life, my most satisfying moments, the one of which I’m most proud, all seem to come as a byproduct of a suffering or hardship I’ve endured.

But then, I can only speak for myself. Seems to me, trying to tell someone else how to deal with their suffering, especially when in the throes of it is not only poor form but it’s also tantamount asking for a pop in the nose.

In short, while I’m happy for your clarity on this one subject, things are hardly ever that clear for me.

Edited to add: Please note this post was drafted very quickly so it leaves out a lot of nuance. Perhaps I’ll be able to post a more well considered post later today.

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