Neville Goddard vs Dr Joseph Murphy

Fiesta · October 10, 2020, 8:45am

Who is your favourite teacher on manifestation?
To be honest i have studied both and no one is better than the other one they both so good different styles of teaching but same point they had the same mentor Abdullah the Ethopian Rabbi.

anon48416969 · October 10, 2020, 8:47am

wish me luck to find what sammyg wrote on Neville

anon48416969 · October 10, 2020, 8:49am

New Release - Environmental Energy Accumulator

sigh

Very rarely, do I see healthy discussions throughout the internet. It’s an ego thing really. When you see a comment that conflicts with your personal world view, your ego gets immediately triggered like ‘NO that’s wrong!’ and goes on the defense. And while discussing your point, the ego disregards the other person’s perspective from a standpoint of ‘you’re ignorant and don’t know what you’re talking about. Here’s what’s really true.’ Even if it comes from a good place, the other person already has their mind made up so there’s no way that someone else telling them they’re wrong is going to convince them otherwise… no matter how logical your point is. Go on social media and see for yourself lol.

This is something I’ve been thinking about for the past few days actually. In America, dealing with the constant ‘right’ vs ‘left’ battle on a daily basis is so ridiculous and tiring. It’s become like sports where it’s my team vs yours and amidst all these discussions being had, it’s just people shouting into echo chambers. No liberal is listening to conservative points and vice versa. There is no discussion. Just arguments as to why I’m right and you’re wrong. And is anyone objectively right or wrong? As I’ve mentioned somewhere in this forum before, I’m a strong believer of the subjectivity of the universe and ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ depends on how you perceive things.

As with Neville Goddard, if someone believes in his teachings and up to this point in their lives, things have all logically worked out according to his teachings… How can someone else tell them that ‘they are wrong?’ That’s like someone telling ‘you’ that what you believe in is wrong even after all that you learned and more importantly, the experiences you’ve had that confirm your beliefs. Nobody has had your experiences nor can you show them to anyone. Experiences are truly what shape the way we think and see the world and no words or data is going to reshape someones thinking like experiences do.

In discussions where there is disagreement, try to not to convince the other person they’re wrong. It’s always going to turn into an argument because convincing is subconsciously forcing your beliefs on someone. The subconscious will resist.

So how do we have healthy discussions then? There is literally only one way. LISTEN. That is all there is to it. Listen to what the other person has to say and attempt to learn about their perspective. Ask questions like “why do you think that way’ or ‘what do you mean by this.’ If you listen and try to learn about someone’s perspective, they are going to be much more open to what you have to say. Try to find similarities from your perspective and theirs and then draw comparisons while at the same time speaking about the way you see things differently. They will be much more open to listen and learn from your perspective as well.

In this way, both people win. It’s a positive interaction and in many cases can expand your thinking. There is something to learn from anything or anyone and why miss the opportunity to learn and rather just get into a dead end argument. In some cases, I’ve seen people change their opinion on something through these kinds of discussions. But never in an argument lol.

Sorry for the speech but I’d really hope for us to have healthy discussions from here on out. If we keep having these kind of arguments, we’ll just drive people with different opinions out of the forum. Do we really want to be like the rest of the internet? Either become an echo chamber where everyone agrees with eachother or a moshpit where everyone argues all the time? Nah. We can do better than that. We are better than that. Anyways, this is me and @Captain_Nemo’s 2 cents on all this.

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anon728190 · October 10, 2020, 9:03am

N off course

Law and Promise ((from chapter 2-14) without chapter 15, I don’t read chapter 1 and 15 cause I don’t understand it, it’s too complicated)) , if that book can’t change a life I don’t know what can

That’s book is like a magic, whenever I read it on my language with understanding, it’s like my world molding itself and something wonderful starting to happen.

I must again read that book over and over till I finally grasp.

Fiesta · October 10, 2020, 9:21am

Gaunter that is key read over and over again most importantly take action. Like yesterday i was reading my notes on Dr Murphy and yesterday this stood out 'The only thing you do in order to overcome failure is to get your subconscious to accept your idea or request by feelings its reality now and the law of the mind will do the rest. Turn over your request with faith and confidence, and your subconscious will take over and answer for you.

anon728190 · October 10, 2020, 9:44am

It is really surreal

as I have read book more and more, I realized that some things are possible, and at one point reading it was natural for me to imagine that I was in a state where it was very difficult for most ppl to move, and the next day a new law came about that state as facilitated immigration, and the ways to become a citizen … I couldn’t believe it my eyes…but oh well maybe it’s coincidence idk

But on other hand I really don’t know why I don’t study/use more these what gives me results coincidentally or not

It’s like I am unfaithful and believe more in 3D

Sometimes I am like “oh it would anyway happened, whatever” and gave up from studying… maybe it’s some block🤔

KingMerc · October 10, 2020, 10:14am

The more I’ve listened and meditated on all of the Sapien audios that have raised me vibrationally and that have expanded my consciousness the less I think about those manifestation teachers. Before finding Sapien and starting on the spiritual path I use to read all those books and authors, but now I see them…like false teachings in a way, seeing through them.

This is just what I’ve noticed in myself.

anon48416969 · October 10, 2020, 10:18am

Same, the only way to freedom is to find it trough oneself
Dreams helps with that tremendously

KingMerc · October 10, 2020, 10:18am

Yes of course,

That’s not saying those books are wrong or shouldn’t be followed either. Those books were the building blocks of what led me here.

anon48416969 · October 10, 2020, 10:18am

I find these books are more of
“look there is something, but you wont find it here, look beyond them”

SovereignSubliminals · October 10, 2020, 10:21am

I prefer Neville’s teachings to Murphy’s, as is the current state.
I got a book from Murphy, I think it is “The Power of your subconscious mind”, but I am not sure. I have read about 30% of it and then stopped because I felt like it was very repetitive (which of course is the point he is trying to make - like repeating affirmations).
The reason why I like Neville more I guess is because the indications of his teachings imply infinite possibilities. I am reading this and I feel like “Ok, so everything is really possible” and it feels very natural. There is also a certain complexity to some of his teachings which make it hard to understand at first so you have to read them again and again at different times, but I really think it is worth it.
I guess I like Neville more because of how radical he is with the “everything is possible”-statement, and that it is the most natural thing to do because everyone does it anyway.

Apart from that, I don’t see this as some kind of competition, I just see teachings as view points with implicit beliefs and limitations. The trick is to stay flexible.

KingMerc · October 10, 2020, 10:22am

That’s how I feel now. I feel like I’ve moved beyond them, it’s what I feel. They are great in planting seeds in what’s possible though.

I think mainly what I’m getting at is simply moving beyond “manifestation”

KingMerc · October 10, 2020, 10:24am

Neville definitely has a complexity and depth to his teachings that many of the other authors never were really able to convey.

anon48416969 · October 10, 2020, 10:25am

machnics behind reality
Neville did a good job with the subconsciousness tho and the bible, if you read the bible and see it as the Subconsciousness and Mind, you will learn a lot more, the bible is a metaphor in itself

SovereignSubliminals · October 10, 2020, 10:27am

Yea this kind of resonated with me, I guess you could say.
And I say this even though I (strongly) disagree with Neville on certain points, but I always thought that ancient texts shouldn’t just be tossed away and that they convey deeper meaning.

anon728190 · October 10, 2020, 10:29am

Yeah, same here, but there’s something in this teachings, something exists which is beyond and usage is so simple

anon48416969 · October 10, 2020, 10:30am

but non the less, there is a whole reddit forum with Neville Goddards teaching and some people really can use it like Neville intended it, but each mind works on their own, each has to find their own way to manifest things, some with morphic fields, some just with wishing and others have their ways, each reality is real, its just not ours

SovereignSubliminals · October 10, 2020, 10:32am

I see it more like stages of consciousness. Guess it was in the Baghavad Gitta where Krishna explained that people who worshipped the half-deities to get something specific, worshipped him in the end, and that it was just a sort of tool.
From how I see it, most of the things we use are tools, like supportive wheels on a bicycle, until we reach a stage of awareness from which we can instantly manifest whatever we want, like in a lucid dream.

anon728190 · October 10, 2020, 10:48am

I really rarely read Neville

but whenever I read it I have some need or problems

let’s say more than half a year ago I studied his books intensively again

then I was doing a job in a big successful factory that I didn’t like , people were stressed and in bad mood all day, bosses were very bad, I pitted (pityed) myself, and my cooworkers, I was sad for all us etc and I had to do that job because of the income, many people didn’t like those jobs and the factory in general, it felt like you were subconsciously chained in it

as I have read the books i started naturally
imagine being free and doing what I want, completely free from this factory

after a few days the big and successful Factory that has been operating since the 80s started to have problems, it had big debts, and suddenly the workers were all fired including me and the factory stopped with working, and everything happened one by one as a natural, we all get our loans after that as we deserved and in later months but never mind

anon728190 · October 10, 2020, 10:42am

But it all happened like it would anyway happened

So I don’t know what is anymore coincidence or not

But always something happening reading his books idk