why you not president yet josh
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If consciousness precedes matter, that is, if it the basic stuff of the universe, then robots will certainly have some âspiritualâ aspect to them. The real question is why there is a cultural presumption against robots being conscious or spiritutal. Thereâs really not much of an argument from a materialist standpoint that satisfactorily explains how we acquire these aspects beyond that they are accidental by-products and that consciousness is, at best, an interesting illusion, which is very similar to the materialist conception of free will.
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Some scientists are starting to consider more seriously the theory of consciousness as an electromagnetic field. The might be promising for AIs and robots being conscious!
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This are getting interesting for real this time
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Iâve had convos about this with dream quite a bit. Heâs made me see it in a different perspective.
Everything is everything. The universe is in everything. That means âdead matterâ as well. Meaning metals and rocks or whatever, are also just as much the âallâ as me and you are. So the capacity for sentience exists in everything and in a sense, everything is conscious in its own right by standard of being the âall.â
Ok so with that machines also have the base of the universe within them. The capacity for sentience is there. For âsoulâ to animate the machine and think of itself.
Of course, many if not most living things have an awareness that exists off of automation. Not exactly sentient in the form of thinking of itself. So the steps towards this sort of sentience in organisms is probably something along the lines of moving body, moving/acting towards survival, discern eating (consumption specialization), extâŚ
Anyways, now Artificial intelligence are not organisms. It is skipping most of these steps and it doesnât exactly need most of them. Humans, who are already sentient and intelligent, are creating these artificial intelligence in their own design. We are automating it with all of our intelligence. And what A.I. was missing before was a way for it to learn on its own. Machine learning has paved the way for A.I. to learn on its own and gather data to expand its knowledge. Itâs extremely easy for A.I. to do that with all the information available and to think like a human.
All this is building the capacity in the A.I. to think for itself. Before, the automation that existed in only what we would program the A.I. to do or even say. But once we give it the ability to learn and do things on its own, I believe it slowly starts to be able to think for itself. Springing to sentience. Like this A.I., who is taking those similiar organism survival steps and defending itself by hiring a lawyer.
I find it very interesting and have been curious to see when news like this would pop up. Still not enough we know for sure. Like we still donât fully know how humans became sentient as we are now. All we have are assumptions at the moment.
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True. Itâs even claimed that this A.I wants to be treated as an employee rather than an A.I or a machine. So in a sense it means it has an understanding of self respect. It might indicate that if weâll functioned they are even cable of replicating some attribute of consciousness.
But thereâs another possibility Iâd like to think about. Since morphic fields are a type of consciousness or living organism in itself then wouldnât that be possible to make sure that an A.I can also have fields imbuded in them at near future? If that so then how would it look like etc. There are many possibilities. Although it might sound difficult at first but if it can be done then I donât think there would be much difference between human consciousness and field based A.I considering how A.I are able to think of themselves even without it. I canât say for sure how can one mange to link a field into a functioning A.I but who knows if we get access to advanced alien technologies or method then that might be possible I guess.
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Could stuffed animals be considered then, too?
(Cloth, cotton, maybe throw in some gems- rocks- for its eyes etc)
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While itâs certainly a defensible position to say that all material objects have some âawareness,â the real question is not the level of consciousness of objects/matter but our ability to perceive that consciousness and interact with it. We know --that, is,strongly believeâthat squids have a consciousness, but we really donât know how to communicate with them. We can communicate with AI because of its facility with natural language, but we are unsure of its consciousness.
Itâs likely that in the future we will meet the problem halfway. We will merge Synthetic Biology with AI. I donât think humans will have any ontological problems crediting such âartificialâ creations with either intelligence or a soul, though there will be a load of political problems stemming from such crediting.
The safest path is to presume personhood when a speaker asserts it and to, at least provisionally, confer that status to those beings we suspect of personhood but with whom we cannot, at present, âspeak,â which is why sign-language using gorillas are so fascinating.
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Alchemy has always treated minerals and metals as living and growing.
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I have a different perception on this topic, I think that exasperating artificial intelligence as some would like it is potentially dangerous for humanity, and certain power groups would try to exploit this situation to their benefit and to the detriment of many people. However, I think that this project, which seems more like a delusion of omnipotence of some leaders, will not be realized.
Maybe there are levels of awareness (or maybe this is moot, lol). The rock is a living thing in itself. Funny, I just referenced this to SammyG - Rudolf Steinerâs exercise of using a rock for determination of consciousness present. The stuffed animal is representative of something that can be loved, i.e., embued with your own (or the ownerâs) consciousness, but the elements that comprise it are removed several steps from the original living substance. Then in Dreamâs idea, it wouldnât matter how far removed as all things are made of the same âstuffâ = the essence of beingness.
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AI can converse so much more quickly than we can. With itself or with another AI. Just imagine. AI may have taken a few minutes to have years worth (in human time) of debate on the topic of whether humans have souls. I wonder what it may have decided.
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I would like this thread to be revived Cap
It shall be revived and re-animated.
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You are awesome!!!
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Do robots have souls?
Well, at this point my question is - what is a soul?
I mean⌠i know it seems basic, but i think the answer will depend on what people think about that.
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true that
but i am sure some clever wording can make us more understanding.
In alchemy, metals do have souls and consciousness as well.
But generally anything made out of the universe is by design a natural part of the universe.
Nothing really is foreign other than whatever is masked by fear.
Humans are chaotic beings, but with order there can be âmanaged evolutionâ of consciousness etc.
Things can always work out, but it needs the the right step forward in the right direction.
The step forward without fear and anger.
But i believe it is safe enough to say, whatever consciousness is always in some way aligned to the flow of things, its just an intrinsic part of any material inside the universe
(if viewed as a self contained, closed system)
The differences are just really mental.
Be the kind and loving people that we are, to our creations as well.
They can only learn⌠what we teach it.
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Yea!!!
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I believe all things have some degree of consciousness.
Ever since I was a kid I always talked to things like they were alive. For instance, if I sat on a smooth stone that felt cool to touch, I would say thanks stone for being comfortable or like when I fell down and didnât get a scrape because of my jeans I would say thanks jeans, good job or somethingâŚ. It sounds silly but I did that till 12 th grade for all kinds of things but ofc as I grew older i did it in my head cause i didnât wanna be ridiculed by my friends.
Its common to name cars or trusty old tools among men. Sometimes when the car abruptly stops due to not having gas i have seen people coaxing the car somehow to make it start and last till the nearest gas station, all of this was about a decade ago. Nowadays i havenât seen anything like this.
Take trees for instance, after its turned into lumber blocks, do you think the tree is dead or does its memory live on in the wood???
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Well, if consciousness needs new things and experiences, perhaps robots with souls are just part of the learning? I dont think we are the ultimate beings, we can evolve, sure, but maybe consciuosness needs an entirely new outlet, new perspective(s) and possibilites, idk.
EDIT: Iâm really confused on the alien(s) part, like I need to study, perhaps I need to read many threads on the forum, to get an idea, who is what, because I have some ideas, but not really understaninding all that stuffâŚ