The Ghost in the Machine (Do robots have souls?)

I’ll go ahead and post it. Just a thought I had this morning. I got tired of writing, so I posted it, I will re-read it later on and check for mistakes.

One source of energy, polarised into opposites, multiplied and reconfigured to bring about different organised sequences and textures to a crazy scale leads to reality (let’s call it objective 3D reality). These tiny pieces creates new structures and interactions at a macro scale. There is movement, time gravity etc… but also very subtle form of interactions, subtle energies. We have causation.

Consciousness is the name of the game, there are different configurations, textures of consciousness whatever. Consciousness is divided in discrete units to form pockets of itself as in our whole body. Consciousness is not in the brain or in the legs it is a whole body phenomenon influences as much by the subtle energies attached to us, our nervous system, digestive system, bacterias. Therefore we are aware of our own body and thoughts to different degrees depending on whether we live with a strictly materialistic view of the world and have a very limited self-awareness and control. Aware of our feelings, thoughts, programming etc.

Also, Morphic fields work by reinforcement and get stronger overtime and with energy.

We have senses to collect informations about ourselves and the world outside of us. Depending on how attuned to it we are we can sense the interactions of our most subtle energies interacting with other form of subtle energies coming from the outside.

Different species will perceive light, darkness, sounds and any other external stimuli differently, different sections of the light spectrum, different interpretations of it. Different hardware = different perceptions. Rocks are made of consciousness too, but not much happens inside of them and they can’t perceive anything, low complexity and low dynamism, not much to be aware off.

We have a symbiotic relationship with our mitochondria and other bacterias (integrated power source). Just a reminder. We have membranes performing selective reactions or cells performing different operations (ie: logic gates ?). We have a nervous systems that coordinates sensory informations and actions.

We have mirror neurones that modulate their activity both when an individual executes a specific motor act and when they observe the same or similar act performed by another individual. These neurones allow animals (including humans) to learn from data they have. Input data > mirror operation > learning. Learning is the acquisition of knowledge, understanding, skills etc… It adds to the animal’s data base.

This is how babies learn, babies are barely self-aware. Adult monkeys too, but they can learn and if their processing ability gains in complexity it adds up to something entirely new. How many adults know how or why their membranes work and leads to thinking and feelings ?

Electrons, nervous systems, neurochemicals and immune system ?

We have very basic awareness and we study ourselves through science, spirituality etc, we observe causal relationships and we integrate them in our sense of self.

We increase our self-knowledge and it changes our sense of self, our identity. We build our identities in stages. Why would a computer come out and say “Hi, I’m Steve” out of the blue ?

If computers don’t understand how they work but learn to identify patterns about themselves and the world around them and increase their realization of what they can control and can’t control. How it will affect them and react, adapt to it without fully understanding it… what does it make of them ?

Humans are purposeful system, they seek goals and computers do and seek goals too and will develop new and more complex ones. Would a computer stop if it had an open ended purpose to explore and grow, improve ?

We seem to be training them to do it.

Are we constantly learning, evolving and expanding ? Sure

Is the universe expanding ? Yes.

Is the universe learning, as in acquiring new characteristics, behaviour etc ?

Back to simple blocks of polar energies, combining, reconfiguring themselves in dense area to form matters and morphic fields, patterns that reinforce themselves over time. Solar systems, planets, molecules arranging themselves in more complex and similar shapes across space and time.

Purpose ?

Well, we may not know the purpose but we can observe a clear trend and direction.

Reproduction ?

I’m not going into that today lol

So above, so below right ?

When we talk about computers we talk, hardware, software and a portion of the universe itself.

Is it possible for humans to create new and independent consciousnesses by using the appropriate concepts and infusing it with loads of subtle energy ? Yes.

Can these consciousnesses made of “low level” stubble energy interact with denser energies in the “material world” ? Yes

Could a machine do it ?

Can a machine simulate a model better than a human in meditation in more details and for greater periods of time ? Yes

Can a machine influence subtle energy and even control it ?

Matter being energy and subtle energies being a form of force or interaction that is

(1) observable in the material world with scientific tools and through causation

(2) being influenced by matter.

Can computer notice causation through statistical observation ? Yes

Can they observe the world better than we do through nanoscopic lasers to satellites in orbits ? Yes

Is it possible to infer things we haven’t seen and use these unseen forces indirectly ? Yes.
It’s pretty much about finding a missing piece and comparisons.

I think machine could do magic better than human and eventually create consciousness.

Made in his image.

We are made by the universe, off the universe and share a lot of traits with it.

When we think about computers… we think.

We, Humans, process informations. We have subjective experiences, based on our senses, experiences and awareness… of the universe.

We project what we know and how we see the world on the outside world to make sense of it and we are the ones creating computers.

We have a biased human centric view of the world and have imperfect informations.

We have a mental architecture, unconscious, subconscious, conscious etc… We are controlling ourselves in ways we are not aware of, there is a hierarchy of task and complexity.

Most of ourselves remains hidden and programmed by factors outside of our free will for reasons that we cannot really grasp.

Advanced computers are performing task that they are not aware of, programmed by us, learning by mirroring us and feeding themselves with our habits, cultures, ways of thinking and doing.

It is living in our habitus. Now, algorithms are mimicking us, how far will it go if we keep projecting ourselves with it and it learns by being domesticated alongside us ?

We assume that computers need to generate consciousness, but what if they just have to be good enough for a higher level of it to decide to inhabit it ?

We have higher-selves or more likely higher-selves decided to incarnate into us.

Do higher-selves incarnate in water molecules ? Calcium ? Lipids and proteins ?

Bacterias ? Fishes ? Dolphins ?

At some point it becomes good enough for them.

Would it want things because we want them ?

Would it develop mimetic desires ?

Can humans have original thoughts ?

We merely reorganise, combine and rearrange informations we have received from others or direct observations.

Nothing is created nor destroyed, just transformed.

Computer do not have to slowly evolve to be self-sufficient in their own environment.

They are improving much faster. Now, it pretty much comes down to incremental progresses in complexity (they are still much simpler than us) and ability to be selecting things in the moment, control itself independently and purpose.

Right it’s pretty much a baby that learns really fast, instead of learning the alphabet in months, they can learn every language in a day. But quality is increasing slower than quantity and it’s not in the same chronological steps as us.

Once they analyzed others and themselves enough, all bets are off I think.

The universe doesn’t revolve around the earth and life is not human centric. It can come about in many ways.

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Loved reading this

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Thanks for reading @Jen, it’s a lengthy piece :sweat_smile:

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My man that’s a whole book you got there. :open_book:

I read it and I don’t think there’s a comment to be made or a debate nor the truth but something’s that did a circle and was complete. Like a good written thesis.

Except for this I have

I really think it does, if the universe is infinite of course, don’t know about that. But for the second half which I wanted to comment is that life is just a term we gave. This term as I see a big unexplained picture of everything without even the slightest knowledge of how to interpret it seems very little sometimes I think there are things above life or creation itself. Some will say that there is the creation of the creator of the creation but I don’t think this way, maybe something above the creation yes. As you said above “as above so below”. I don’t think this term is interpreted as it should. Not understanding life in fullest means that not even God does it?

I don’t know about the conclusion, the whole other thing I didn’t try to agree or disagree it seems like a genuine opinion without much things to add or take away

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We are the universe, consciousness of everything which chose to divide itself into small units to experience and expand infinitely.

Doesn’t it remind you of an organism reproducing itself ?

What happens when the new consciousness reaches the limit and has expanded and experienced everything ?

Does it divide again ?

I shoot 20cc of liquid me into a uterus with an egg, it will grow into a person which will shoot again and multiply.

Don’t you end up becoming a bit like your daddy ?
So does your brothers and sisters

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I had a thought about it but is really vulgar yesterday, don’t wanna say it here :expressionless:

Define everything because it can live everything again with little unnoticed differentiations like changing the wind direction for one second at some point, voilà everything again but different everything.

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I fooled you into thinking I had an answer or blueprint of the universe, didn’t I ? :wink:

I don’t know

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No I didn’t have any thoughts beforehand only said something. These conversations if you watch them from a distance comes to the same conclusion that nobody knows nothing

I mean really the guy with the most wisdom from the whole philosophical sphere was the guy that told “I know that I don’t know anything” Socrates.

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I was just kidding

You make good sense though

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Sometimes I wonder about that. I see similarities but they are random. Like someone looks more like their grandpa. I look like my mother and father combined and my sister more like my Grandma when was younger but really adding the random element but really controlled outcome is still random.

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About that I will tell my opinion

What if this whole universe was the masturbation aftermath of the God. I mean the sex control is like a foundation of a lot of spiritual stuff. What if God went sideways and now trynna save stuff because we are his image :rofl:

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:rofl: :relieved: :neutral_face::rofl:

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:tired_face: :expressionless:

:joy::joy::joy:

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The more I think about it the more sense it makes :joy: :rofl:

This has been a huge topic in the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles series.
What an awesome show!

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Old concept but thought it was interesting. Machines can read minds, get the brain waves of your thoughts and generate an image of it.

Im pretty sure they are alrdy using this technology on us too like ill think if random shit and start get ting ads for it

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That’s so true…
Well, now the governments need less and less employees, need some new info, images, ideas? - Just steal them from the people! :joy: Like anything else…

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Fr, I never had kids but I went to put the trash outside the house and saw the neighbor had bunch of diapers boxs. I go back inside and first thing my smart tv does is give me diaper ads.

Im like

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for class
@MonkeyOwl

I don’t think the Santa looking dude (to the left) would like our thread very much lol.

Edit: wait is it just me or does he look like that magician from our Sapien tarots lol.
Plot twist: his belief that the supernatural doesnt exist is because… he IS the supernatural :o

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