murder → animals do it
assault → animals do it
rape → animals do it
theft → animals do it
trespass → animals do it
coercion → animals do it
deception → animals do it
By that definition of “natural law”, pretty much ALL animal life on earth goes against “natural law”, yet no one is doing anything and Gaia & Co. just tolerate everything and it goes on and on…
So because some animals (predators) do it, its fine?
Soldiers use Guns and Terrorists also use Guns, but soldiers are revered and terrorists are hated.
Again, who are soldiers and who are terrorists is again a matter of perspective but Ultimately the Divine Law of Karma is Supreme and Impartial and it KNOWS the “True Intent” of the person wielding the weapon and based on “Intent” , it gives the Karmic Judgement.
Animals, insects and All other Forms of Life except Homo Sapiens are almost 100% dependent on nature and their Root chakra based survival instincts. The Ether element or Aakaash Tattva is Dormant and De-Activated in nearly all Life forms apart from humans due to which they do not have access to higher forms of Consciousness and Self-Awareness. That’s why most animals fail the mirror test except for some species of Elephants, Dolphins, Apes etc.
Animals and Insects are Ultimately used by Nature as Tools to Nurture and propagate Life and biodiversity on the planet and so they are not subjected to the Laws of Karma in the same way as Humans. Animals , insects and other Lifeworms also face Karmic Consequences but Their Karma does not fall under Good or Bad because of their Level of Consciousness.
Animals do not kill or hunt when they are full (in most cases) , they do not try to Mate beyond their Mating Season (again in most cases) all of which is dictated by the Natural Order. Also the prime objective of mating for Animals is to propagate their bloodlines, animals do not have sexual fantasies or fetishes like Humans.
And those animals or species that do not follow the Natural order, end up getting eliminated by Nature.
However, Humans are Self-Aware, can access Higher Levels of Consciousness, have a concept of Right-Wrong, Good-Bad, Morality-Immorality and can also Modify Nature and Natural Ecosystems via Terraforming to suit their Goals and objectives which is why the Laws of Karma are different for Humans compared to Animals.
The Levels of the Collective Consciousness of the Human Civilization determines the amount of Independence and Control they have over Natural Order And also How Strictly the Laws of Karma apply to them.
People say that with Great Power comes Great Responsibility…But this is Only Half of the Picture because with Great Consciousness/Great Awareness Also Comes Great Responsibility.
And that’s why Higher-Dimensional beings of both Light and Dark Polarities almost never interfere Directly with Humans because of the Stringent Laws of Karma and Free Will that operate on them and that’s why they use their Agents and Operatives in Human form (Aka the Elites) to get our Consent through multiple Indirect ways such as Subliminal Programming, Commoditizing the Sovereign Divine Human Form via the Birth-Certificate SCAM etc etc just to Circumvent the Absolute LAWS of Karma to the Greatest Extent possible by manipulating Your Free Will…And even then they have to Face their Ultimate Karmic Consequences, which only get slightly delayed but never get cancelled.
PS - If you check your Birth Certificate, it is Always mentioned that You are “Delivered” like a “Commodity” in a Factory, whose “ownership” is sold and labelled in writing via the Birth Certificate by your Un-Aware parents to the Government , instead of mentioning that You were “Born” or that You “Incarnated” on this Earth Plane like a “True Sovereign Being” on this chosen date of this chosen timeline.
As they say, “Words” and “Spellings” hold TRUE Power and that’s why they are Used to Cast a “Spell”.
He was using “natural law” as an argument.
Not realizing that “natural” does not mean “right”.
Trying to do “what is natural” will lead to desaster in most cases.
The growth of the consciousness happens when you make a new decision despite what the system parameters dictate to you.
That’s how things like “moral” and “ethics” developed in the first place.
Because humans decided to not follow their natural parameters of violence but to act compassionately.
@The_Mobius_Coil
I agree with all your points except this one:
But they do.
Dolphins and Apes use stuff as sex toys for example.
Ants enslave and farm other insects to get high on the substances they can produce.
Etc.
No Zen, I brought this up because my point is that “natural” should never be taken as a role model for what is “right” or “morally advanced”.
I agree about your basic division of self-regarding harms and other regarding harms. Other regarding harms are worse in a freedom sense.
But sin is a religious category. And, in theory, self-regarding sins offend God (I think it’s concept belonging to Abrahamic religions) because each person is a creation of God. So falling short of the mark—the operational definition of sin in my religious upbringing—applied equally to self-regarding harms.
And this religious take has merit. In terms of total harm, injecting dangerous drugs into yourself is far worse than lying to a stranger about a minor thing.
Of course, what’s counts as a sin, as immoral, or should be made illegal are different categories with some overlap. But most self regading harmful actions are sins, I don’t know of an Abrahamic religion or sect that thinks otherwise, though admittedly definitions change.
In my humble opinion, I perceive karma as something our being couldn’t resolve or come to agreement with. Sometimes, the events we go through in life create traumas. At this point, the universe undoubtedly expects us to figure out and overcome the set obstacles to move forward.
We’ve been blessed to come across Dream’s work in this life cycle. However, many people have no idea and go through loops of patterns. The patterns and events keep occurring to be overcome. Some have failed. Many have fallen into despair. A lot are never aware of the patterns.
I think this ‘negative baggage’ is what carries over to the next life as “Bad karma”.
My first meal after converting to vegetarian, as inspired by this thread. Thank you, @anon85171878! 
My vibration literally raised just from this one meal. I think I put just a little bit too much olive oil though. Lol.
I see several influencers on Instagram like the BulletProof Coffee founder Dave Asprey who diss Vegetarianism and Veganism saying it’s unhealthy and makes you weak and and that their experience was terrible while they were on this type of diet.
To people like Dave Asprey and everyone else, I would like to say that in order to seriously follow Vegetarianism Or Veganism , one must possess a basic knowledge of Ayurveda aka Ayurveda 101.
As per Ayurveda, Effective Consumption and Digestion of Food is essentially a play of the 5 Elements namely - Earth, Water, Fire, Wind and Ether or Space.
Every person on this Planet has a certain Ayurvedic body constitution based on the combination of these 5 Elements which makes them Favourably Aligned with certain kinds of Vegetarian Foods and Unfavourably Aligned with other kinds of Vegetarian Foods.
If you consume favourably aligned plant foods which support your constitution then Vegetarianism Or Veganism will work for you AND If you eat plant foods that Oppose your Constitution, then you will suffer and Diss Vegetarianism and Veganism on Instagram like Dave Asprey.
The Primary Ayurvedic Constitutions include Kapha Aka Mucous (Earth+Water) , Pitta Aka Bile (Fire+Water) and Vata Aka Gas or Flatulence (Air+Space).
Every person has 3 Levels of these constitutions namely - Primary, Secondary and Tertiary which ultimately determine the Subset of Foods that best suit our bodies.
Unlike Western Medicine, Ayurveda first checks the person’s bodily constitution before prescribing any medicine. Even if 2 people have the Exact Same symptoms of Cold , their ayurvedic medication will still differ in subtle ways based on the differences of their Constitution.
Hence, people should ideally get their Body Constitution diagnosed by a Genuine Ayurvedic practioner if they seriously want to follow Vegetarianism.
Ofcourse Western Medicine or Petrochemical based Medicine has its advantages when it comes to Emergency Treatment and Quick suppression of Disease symptoms.
That’s the reason why All forms of Natural, Herbal and Energetic Medicines were declared as Quackery in the Medical Colleges and Universities Funded by YouKnowWho in order to ensure Continued Profits of Owners of the Petrochemical and Weapon Manufacturing Industries.
As Professor Moriarty says in Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows Movie, people like him care about nothing except for owning the Bullets and the Bandages and creating Wars and Famines in order to maintain Demand for the same in the market.
These people simply do not understand that when you switch to a more healthy and higher vibrational diet, the body will go through a detox phase at first.
This phase can take up to one year if the person was only eating unhealthy garabage before the switch.
People not understanding the different vibrations of food, and the detox mechanism of the body, simply self-sabotage hard…
This is just modern trend to promote carnivore or whatever diets, previously likely they promoted vegetarian diets, now something else, all to have content to post to market their own stuff.
Karma is influenced not only by actions but the intent and consciousness in that action.
You eat burger. This is harmful to animals and support continuation of harmful acts. Karma? Yes.
But if it’s a necessity for health and with mindful intent that you are not here to harm in life but just sustaining your body for survival —and perhaps even giving prayer and gratitude to the animal…karma is very, very, very minor.
Like, so minor that both meat eaters & vegetarians / vegans can still advance spiritually either way.
Even vegans can indirectly be at fault since their agricultural practices kill insects and small animals. Disrupt their ecosystem. Environmental degradation in production.
What’s more important is no matter if you are meat eater or vegetarian / vegan and you decide to aggressively force ppl to adopt your diet with intent to belittle, manipulate or control…
that is a much worse karmic debt than acknowledging with respect and compassion to other people!
But to say “I accidentally stepped on an ant” means you reap karmic debts and you should avoid it is just as ridiculous as this debate of food. Even more ridiculous is to believe that later on, an ant will step on you!
Ok…so you helped thousands of people, uplift them, and perform acts of kindness throughout the world, but you stepped on an ant & ate a burger and now you pay for it??
Worry less about the diet you have, and be aware more of why you do it — whether it is for good or bad.
*If your mission is to be spiritual as much as possible, then even a minor karma is a huge one. And this is why they decide to practice non-violence which includes directly or indirectly harming any living being.
