That’s right and I still kinda don’t believe in it in the way that it is some “cause and effect” / “action and reaction” type of thing.
My latest theory on what “karma” is that it is a disagreement, a dissonance, an incongruency within one’s own Conscious and Subconscious Mind and the Subconscious Minds of other beings involved.
I am using the term here in assuming this underlying mechanics of “incongruency and disagreement inside a person’s Subconscious Mind and related to the Subconscious Minds of others”.
Kind of an “open unpaid subconsicous bills” type of thing.
For the disagreement and incongruence to be settled, all involved parties with their Subconscious Minds AND their Conscious Minds must come to the agreement that the bills are now paid in full or no longer relevant.
That is why I have used the term in " " here. I think it is simpler for most people to understand it this way than the “open bills between Subconscious Minds” model that I just explained.
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so does that mean simply acting in good faith?
So that the subconscious is in coherence with the effective deeds so that no distortion arises?
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So a meat eater who does not grasp on a more profound level that he should not eat meat would also not create “karma”?
The thing is that the Subconscious Mind (and its connection to the Higher Self and connection to other’s Subconscious Minds and the Collective Subconscious Mind) is always already aware of most things.
Not being consciously aware of something does not mean that the Subconscious Mind is not aware of it.
So the meat eater would create “karma” either way.
That’s why there is the heavy emphasis on “making the unconscious conscious”, because if you don’t “it will guide you and be your fate” (as the famous quote from Carl Jung goes).
The Subconscious Mind is aware of the pain caused to another being (because it is connected to their Subconscious Mind too).
The only way were there would be no dissonance (“negative karma”) created, is when the animal eaten would make the conscious and subconscious decision to sacrifice itself as food. But then the question is, how much free will and awareness does a cow has already developed? The cow’s subconscious mind will still experience some kind of trauma from the pain and the knowing of “being slaughtered soon”.
I wouldn’t sacrifice myself as food, so I assume we all take on this bill, even as per our own rule.
Now, I had problems with the karma system as I understood it, but the disagreement system seems unfair to me too.
For once…people can’t agree and wouldn’t genuinely forgive someone else, consciously nor subconsciously. I wonder if we sign up for “martyrdom” as payment for someone else’s open bill with us…who can’t genuinely forgive us even if we endure the torture they designed for us.
Second problem is…they’d decide the price to pay.
And third…so someone with completely different values than me thinks something should be made up for/is a trespassing, and I have to roll with it despite me never ever thinking of it as such, or holding anyone up to that criteria.
I know I have enough empathy, that if someone suffers and I feel that subconsciously, I’d immediately agree with their rules and try to make amends through their ruleset too. Since I never thought of it that way until then, it seems absolutely unfair.
It’s something people consciously do, to manipulate and play games with others…everyone seems to be consciously or subconsciously attempting to make you accept their game with the rules they set, and with them having the advantage. For example people don’t think much of when they do something, but it suddenly means the world to them if they can guil-trip you into serving them/paying the price of your sin.
And another poblem with this is, that it would create more karma with everyone. After having to suffer to pay someone’s bill, I’d adopt that belief and demand that others suffer if they commit the same trespassing towards me…and so the wrong views gets passed on and everyone pays for the misperception of one person.
And as far as I know…I may have done nothing to cause anyone suffering, but their way of thinking is what makes it so…again this is way too common in manipulative traumatized people.
So this system seems unfair. Or have we collectively agreed on some common ground?
Although it would be a little bit better this way (if there truly was/is collective agreement), I think we can’t know for sure.
Let’s say some one tells me that I was X in a previous life and did this and that And I need to pay my karmic debt…
NO WAY! I don’t even remember what I ate a few days ago, Nevermind previous incarnations, if it’s true that I’ve had them (I’m Not sold on Anything, sorry… Yes, they are a possibility but Not a certainty in my mind; for all we know, we can live in a freaking game, with some Aliens/Beings playing with us, having some fun lol…).
Some things are just unreliable, also I think that memories can be implanted/installed or at least you can feel as if you had lived these lives, but maybe, it was not you, you are just resonating with it/them…
Well, that’s related to common karma ideas (I think implanted memories are a bigger problem than being talked about though).
But for JAAJ’s definition, not necessary. Unconscious communication is true (for me, at least).
But I think the way JAAJ sees things is more along the lines of “if you interact with someone, you already made agreements beforehand”. I would experience my subjective reality, they would experience theirs, and we would experience a shared reality only on the agreements we made.
So someone can’t come to me like “let me in buddy, I’m gonna make you happy”, and then be like…alright breathing next to me is an offense to my tribe so now I have to see you suffering to my satisfaction so I’m able to forgive you.
Ofc, given the awareness of higher selves, I think they’d be more integrous…but people play these games, and it seems people from other planets (with an awareness similar to higher selves and a working knowledge of free will) play these games too, so I’m not sure.
I just see an exploit there, a possible loophole. It may not be so given it’s higher selves dealing with it, so it may be fair and built on common grounds.
I just knee-jerk reacted to the idea since humans can’t consciously collaborate that easily…and this was subconscious and conscious too…it’s the conscious mind of people that looks for the exploit.
Their Subconscious Mind, that is connected to their Higher Self can forgive you though.
In most cases this actually happens if you are really sorry from your heart and your intention is pure and authentic.
Animal souls are also connected with their collective group souls (and Gaia I guess).
But that’s why forgiving is so important.
Because if you don’t you will just carry a remaining etheric cord with you that connects you and the other person with negative emotional energy. This negative emotional energy is bagage that keeps your vibration down.
Forgiving is something you primarily do for yourself as a type of release, letting go and moving on.
Not true, because ALL Consciousness always on some levels cooperates and decides together. Your consciousness and the other consciousness come to some type of agreement where both sides agree when and under which conditions “a bill is paid in full”.
Sometimes both sides can simply agree to tear the bill, throw it away and simply move on.
Yes, we with our waking consciousness have different values.
Even our Subconscious Minds have different values.
But the higher on the spectrum of vibration and consciousness you go, I mean Higher Self and higher, the more values become universally the same and it becomes easier for souls to come into agreements with each other.
So many people down here (on physical earth) cannot forgive each other and move on, because they are stuck with totally different value and belief systems and their egos hate it to change those values and belief systems and be of any flexibility.
Mental inflexibility is what keeps people resentful. You can observe this with hardcore materialist and religious fanatics: they refuse to change their beliefs and values at all costs. They have zero tolerance and zero open-mindedness and thus it is so difficult for them to forgive etc. making them stuck with their own negative “karma”.
Can you please elaborate how you mean this? I am not sure I fully understand this. Can you please make an example? Thanks.
Sounds to me like what I mentioned above: people’s egos and unprocessed shadow in their subconscious mind playing their games of power.
No worries, before your Higher Self created you and you went into incarnation mode etc. it was aware that you would create “karma” during your growth phase, but it was also aware in advance that in the end all will be reconciled and resolved. It cannot be any other way, because your Higher Self is you in the future, so either way all generated “karma” during the game will be processed and transcended.
This is what I believe and why I mentioned above that ALL Consciousness always on some levels cooperates and decides together.
But if we care about our soul and personal peace and vibration and empowernment, we can still try our best here in the physical (and finish the job later when back to the astral planes, which are still part of the big simulation game).
The Karma Crucible NFT, what I believe that it does, at least as one of its functions, is that it takes out the emotional energy that is attached to all the etheric cords we have with people.
And then, this allows for our Subconsicous Minds and Higher Selves to easier to come to agreements of how “open bills shall be settled and reconciled”.
Maybe even followed up by like an automated “Please forgive me” and “I forgive you” type of mechanism.
Oh absolutely, it’s a no brainier to want to live well and with as little drama. It’s what led me into vegetarianism to begin with! With much trial and tribulation I’ve just come to the conclusion life is like a plus and minus game. You come in with a certain ratio and you pay your dues as well as accrue along the way. Ultimately karma aside it’s just live according to Divine laws or somewhat in harmony with the natural world. Life’s ebbs and flows won’t be too extreme.
So in a way karma is also when you’re living in disharmony and it needs correction. Justice for all has a way of correcting it gently too.
This subject alone can be contemplated upon forever!
On the AMA with Metatron thread, Metatron warned of using fields as a replacement for wisdom and spiritual growth.
Thank you for providing such clear context.
Karma Crucible will help you process your karma. Do you really think you can just “do what you want” and not have to experience the other side of it just because you have an NFT? In fact, this very NFT will call the karmic lessons to you.
As your soul evolves and grows and ascends, you will have to process more and more of these experiences and karma, all of it eventually.
Yes, well, I don’t disagree, and I never said piracy was the best form of marketing (or even good, you’ll notice). But it certainly has boosted some movies (I saw the workprint DVDrip of The Two Towers pirated, and then saw it at least twice in theaters, and there are some awesome indie movies that only became known because they became pirated cult classics). If you expected me to be taking up the “piracy is generally good” banner, I’m not.
They’ve been complaining about all of this for years, while the rich in Hollywood have made fortunes. I think a stronger case could be made that technology has made streaming ubiquitous and piracy easy, so now the movies are made for Netflix and Disney+ and Apple and Hulu, and the COVID/post-COVID world doesn’t have as much desire for public outings, or disposable income/savings.
Yeah, that’s true. Except when it’s not. Because some of us still buy. But yes, the purpose of selling products is to sell them, and make money. On this we agree.
I mean yes but no. These legal principles were literally come up with in the days of kings and guilds in order to consolidate their own power. This has continued, now we just have Presidents and corporations. The Knights Templar’s place in society has been largely replaced by the military-industrial complex and Blackwater (now owned by the Bayer/Monsanto machine). Save vibes, new faces, new names.
Lots of new hardware developments happening. Of course, COVID slowed a lot of that way down. But yeah, still going on. Sometimes the original company can’t meet quality control standards. If Apple and Foxconn can’t pull it off, how is Huawei going to get it done?
Here are my claims, and I do not claim more. I do not claim that piracy is more right than non-piracy, or generates good dharma.
Buying mistreated animal carcasses is wrong, because you are actively paying your dollars for people to torture those animals. When you could have any number of fruits, vegetables, grains, or better-treated animal products instead (still by and large both wrong and karmically dangerous, but less so). If you are intentionally eating this garbage, and paying for it, as I said in another post, you simply cannot be a “good” person - and you will definitely, absolutely, face your karma for that.
This karma will manifest as “I just ate poisonous food with bad energy” that will effect your body directly in negative ways, and of course your energy body as well.
It will also manifest in the inner workings of the universe, in your life, in your soul, and in your afterlife. It is likely that you will experience the entire experience (for sure your part in it) of the beings in to which you came in contact, and that’s going to hurt, but you will definitely experience part of the fractal, whether it’s the wheel of karma bringing that into your life, or you directly experiencing the animals’ experiences.
Taking into account your direct payment for the torture of animals, and then eating damnation unto yourself, you would be karmically ahead to do any amount of piracy, which is NOT the same thing as stealing, and which does not stop others from buying the product if they so desire. I can’t imagine that this would ever be controversial (and that it is, shows how twisted the minds are here in the Matrix). If you die, and as I say, perhaps, you experience the lives of those you effected, would you rather experience a creator going “Awww, crap, some douchenozzle pirated a bunch of my stuff again,” or be hundreds of chickens, cattle, and pigs, confined to small boxes, regularly beaten and mistreated, and then killed in ways that are often not nearly as humane as they are made out to be, watching all the other members of your species be killed first?
Maybe we are. However this diet only works in very very specific climate zones of the earth. There is no way humanity would have been able to expand into other climate zones on fruits alone…
