What does friendship mean?

Let’s take a birthday party as an example.

The parents could ask themselves “Well, why would I bother? It takes so much work and in the end I have to clean up the whole mess. No, it’s not worth it.”
The reason why we celebrate birthday parties is because of the fun in community we experience. It is something natural that arises when humans come together.

When you have a pet, you don’t throw it out because “It doesn’t give you anything” or “doesn’t contribute to the household”. You simply love it and that is reason enough for you to care about it and look after it. The pet doesn’t have to do or be something to be treated that way.
Same goes for babies and children in general.
You don’t ask a child “Well I am giving you shelter and food, what do you have to offer?”, do you?

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You know, I used to think like that as well. I actually still treat my friends like family but only if it’s reciprocated. Unfortunately, it’s not like that for most people, so I’m forced to step back.

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That’s EXACTLY what I am talking about. It goes hand in hand with the message in this video

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Isn’t that the non duality we all strive for? ;)

When I am talking about that, I don’t mean it in a “brave-new-world”-way, which is just perverted.
Actually, that’s exactly how it should NOT be and what we are heading towards.
In Brave New World, they have this saying “Everyone belongs to everyone”, which means nothing but “Everyone uses everyone”. That’s the opposite of my point.

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I suppose so. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

The question I am struggling with and the reason why I started this topic is:

“Is this type of human relationship, where everyone truly cares and cherishes each other, our true, natural state of being which we have to (re)discover? Or is it something that just some of us want/are capable of and the others are not and so we can never really live in harmony?”

Actually I just said that to a friend of mine a few days ago…
(That’s why I don’t engage in discussions about Nietzsche etc.)
There should be a distinction

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Isn’t a friend someone who is with you when “Fri ends”?

Kidding aside, friends are like reflections of different aspects of ourselves.

“Hey, You like that too?”
“Man, I wish I was like you.”
“Oh come on, don’t do that.”
“Don’t give up, I got your back.”
“Yeah, that dude was really mean.”
“Come on, you’ve got to like this too.”
“Wanna check out that movie with me?”

:upside_down_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :upside_down_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :upside_down_face:

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@SovereignSubliminals

So I’ve thought about this topic again for an hour tonight (after looping trauma release). The truth in my opinion is that the concept that we think of as ‘friendship’ isn’t the norm. It’s a fairytale.

What society has conditioned us to refer to ‘friends’ are merely alliances that grant you a mutual benefit. It’s why most people only stay ‘friends’ for as long as you are needed or are around them. I have personally experienced this with moving towns and countries. The ‘friends’ there, simply forget you. It’s harsh but I’m afraid it is the truth buddy. We seem to be in the minority (those of us who think of friendship as unconditional love towards another person).

In my experience, the only people who will ever love you, are your parents (if you are lucky enough to have good responsible ones). The rest are a toxic fake bunch who will take advantage of your good heart and dispose of you. Unfortunately the nature of humanity has become more apparent with me working in a sector that is supposed to help humans (healthcare). Ironic isn’t it? Humans are disgusting.

There is no shortcut to loving yourself. The sooner you learn to do that, the better. I will carry on offering my friendship to people who come my way, in case I come across the rare people (like you and me) who do value such connections. But like I said, it’s best to learn to love yourself and build a stronger bond with your parents to stay sane.

Edit: I apologise for the somewhat emotive language. This was right before I burst into tears for the first time in 7 years (haven’t cried since I was 15). It seems the trauma release had brought out long suppressed feelings of anger and hatred towards a lot of people who I feel have wronged me/let me down. Although I still maintain that there is truth in what I said.

Having said that, I am hopeful that there are more of us out there who truly believe in the fairytale ideal of friendship. So err yeah.

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silverSurferPower

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Liked some parts of your post, such as:

I hope and believe that you will. I can’t say the opposite, since 2 friends of mine have proven it to me, despite my past bitterness regarding friendships. These 2 friends have “fought” for me, even moved some mountains for me… without me knowing it (I had found it out later on, when other people told me about). I can’t say that I have done the same for them yet, I don’t think so. I’m even the kind to still take my distance (too much) from them, sometimes.

But I don’t have any doubt about their intentions anymore. Absolutely not. And what’s this, if not a blessing? May you be blessed with the same feeling someday.


Saw your edit:

I don’t give a dime about opposite views on this: crying is an act of self-love, not to mention the physical benefits that as a doc, you know better than me.

So: :teddy_bear: :chocolate_bar: :balloon:

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I hope so too. Gosh, I didn’t know I was carrying those feelings deep inside. Wonder how long they’ve been around for.

I suppose the best thing to do is to learn to self love (god, I’m cringing as I’m writing this). So that you can be a better friend I suppose.

Just these past few years, I’ve attracted a lot of toxic people. Wondering now if these hidden feelings were responsible for that.

Haven’t been able to do that for 7 years. I’m starting to wonder if my loss of concentration, insomnia (well either too much or too little sleep), fatigue, numbing of my emotions and depression (yes I said it) are a result of not being able to cry. You’re the psychologist here, you would know about coping and compensatory mechanisms a lot better than me lol.

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Wuuuu we shall discuss these by pm, because… you know :p

Yes, same goes for any other nasty and toxic stuff that we attract (not only people): these party-breakers are fed by our leakages, etc. as you know.

Learning to love ourselves is the best weapon for sure. Loving our totality, including our darker sides. Fully acknowledging them before being able to move on to something else (no need to burn the steps). I already told you in past posts: you have this ability, way more than other people who unfortunately try to sweep their ugly sides under the carpet. Or ugly stuff in general.

We get some shitty advice from people who have no idea about our job, like “you shouldn’t use sad (?!!) music in therapy with people who are already sad, it ain’t no good, it will make them feel worse” and blabla lmao. How are you supposed to make switch people to more positive and constructive stuff, if you first don’t accompany them in what they are currently experiencing? Same principle rules for many other aspects in our lives, “n’en déplaise à certains” (don’t know how to say this in English lol).

Anyway. You’re in good hands with Trauma Release bro. We’re also here for you.

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Just google translated it haha. Apparently it means with all due respect in english!

Thank you. That means a lot.

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I like the politeness of google translate :joy: It has made me ashamed… almost :p

:bouquet:

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There were definitely some situations that made me go “wow, I can’t believe they can do that and sleep well at night”, especially in the geriatric wards. But then again, there are a couple of beautiful moments I’ve seen that restore my faith in humanity. There are bad and good people. It’s just that the bad ones tend to stand out more, and we overlook the basic goodness of people. It’s kind of like how we often take for granted the good things people do for us, but remember a grudge the moment someone does something to do, which can last for years.

Sacrificing sleep literally leads to permanent brain damage, according to a sleep physician friend I have here. Over time, it accumulates and you never really recover. May I suggest the brain regeneration field looped daily? I don’t think people realise how much the brain is involved in emotions.


It’s funny because even laughing is a way of releasing nervous tension. Humour is a shock to the system. So is crying. I always wondered what the biological basis of shedding tears was to an organism, because you see animals like chimpanzees cry as well. I’m sure it does more than wet the eyeballs. My point is, crying is perfectly okay. You’re all good mate.

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Thanks man. Yeah I will consider playing brain regeneration. Thankfully I haven’t sacrificed too many hours of sleep over the years.

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There is a lot of depth an meaning behind your words and I appreciate that you shared them with us.
I will take some time to come up with an appropriate answer.

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