I suppose that depends on who you believe “you” is.
It’s all one, so surrendering what’s left of body/mind identity to embrace beingness.
I suppose that depends on who you believe “you” is.
It’s all one, so surrendering what’s left of body/mind identity to embrace beingness.
For years I was an Agnostic (not claiming to know anything “spiritual” or a “higher truth” or about “God”, etc., you basically admit that you don’t know what you don’t know ) And I was scared of death, for a short while I thought that death is the end and to be honest, I still have no idea What happens after I die, I guess I’ll find out lol, hopefully laaaater.
Nowadays, I don’t believe anything, I only see what works for me, but I do not have Hard Beliefs (You can see me asking a lot on this forum, but except practical things, I dont even know why do I ask, I guess to have/see/know other perspectives/views) about anything, including what happens after death, what is this reality, who or what is god, who am i, why does life exists, etc.
There are so many theories, we could all be a.i. or something Caught in a Great Experiment (virtual world, maybe?) and we think we are all amazing, we are gods, etc., also “brain in a jar” or “hallucination hypothesis” amongst a million other theories…, so, then, what happens after “death”? Who knows…
Still, I won’t get caught either in so many hypothesis OR in materialism, where some people want us to believe that we are small, “just some chemicals”, at their (rulers’) mercy And DEPENDENT on their Financial System, Banks, Big Farma, Science, etc.
And, back to the question, I was so scared of Death (I was terrified of losing Life, perception, pleasures, joy, relationships, senses, consciousness, etc.) that I began believing in God for my own mind/safety/good, I thought “Well, I got nothing to lose if God does not exist, But I will at least have some comfort AND Possible Spontaneous Remission and Placebo actually working” (something along those lines)…
Anyway, now I am less scared of death, but not a fan either.
I have an apt quote for your situation which is the same with many from Joseph Campbell,
“Life is like arriving late for a movie and trying to figure out what is happening without asking a lot of questions and being called away without knowing how it would end”.
It is, fortunately and unfortunately.
I don’t think learning that would matter much. It might change stated beliefs, but underlying assumption ms and behavior would remain the same. The presumption of some level of life after death/continuation of existence is hardwired in us.
I wrote all my input and opinion on this question here:
Even your phone, the texts on the screen, the air that you breathe, the bed from which you you lay, the water and food that you consume, the multiple dimensions, all the animals, all the people, all your thoughts, all of time, all of your perspectives, all material and otherwise, all of life and all of death, is all one
The I am one and I am all realization
But game isnt to be earned by simply hearing it, it’s to be realized, but i think hearing it can help prepare one for their great “ah-hah!” moment lol
I don’t know about that but think of it like this, may be parents here would agree, when they play hide and seek with their kid for the first time, they will feel an unexplainable joy when their kid is looking all around the house to find them, sometimes they start crying that is when parents rush to the kids.
Similarly Source delights in knowing and must be in joy, we all want to get back to it, playing hide and seek with it using different themes.
I think I’d feel relieved. No weight of eternal consequences. I’m happy with the current set up and yet… it would be like hearing school is permanently cancelled right now while right in the middle of stressing over writing a final essay.
Which is a weird analogy. Because I’m not stressed. But if anything justified stress I think that would be it. If stress could actually improve performance or results. Which I basically don’t think it does.
But that would be something worthy of stress if anything was. Eternal consequences. Whether good or bad or in between. Anything that lasts forever would have to be of ultimate importance if anything at all had importance.
So, long answer short, I think I’d feel relief. I imagine I’d feel some degree of depression mixed with maybe existential crisis. But I only imagine that because I figure that would be the normal human response. On a more personal level specific to me, once again; relief.
“Mortalist propaganda” is good phrase.
This thought experiment has been tried. Usually, it’s a presumption/burden of proof issue. Get rid of the the afterlife beliefs and people will lose the various fears. In the West, the ideas secularism, atheism-lite, humanism, socialism, etc are on the rise as are diagnoses of anxiety.
The belief in the afterlife was never the source of fear and dread. It’s the feeling of incompleteness and isolation that’s more prevalent in modern society. Fix that and the fear will go away. People will still believe in the afterlife, the same way they believe in angels or that their dogs understand them.
Actually, dogs make the argument well. What if you learned your dog was just a biological machine—no soul, no deep connection? I suspect nothing would change because the relationship with your dog isn’t based on anything as unreal as knowledge or beliefs; you’re human and he/she is dog—there’s nothing more to it.
Lol, I seen a thing where they got 2 sets of people and they told bias facts to them, one group told them how stress can improve levels of focus and the speed of ur brain and things like that and the other group was told how stress affect them negatively and the way the two groups performed on stressful tasks where parallel to the group they were in
I don’t see the point in reincarnation or anything if my ego ceases to exist.
I mean, what is the point of anything beyond death if the whole structure lf who you are vanishes? It would be the same as if you were unborn. Nothing differentiates you from any other entity.
Ego is what gives us a sense of separation and being different from other things.
If that is gone we are gone too.
That is interesting. I do feel like some stress can be helpful for a very short term task like getting out of an unsafe situation while driving if it helps you to focus. But even then it’s the kind of stress that is focused on momentary physical realty rather than on existential and relational issues.
Spoiler: it does not
Also there are different types of “ego”.
While the ego that is based on the physical limbic brain and that is responsible for physical survival may vanish with the death of the physical body, the ego that makes up your individuality and personality does not.
Also, also, as I tried to explain to you for many times in the past, none of these types of ego or personality and individuality is the actual you. You are consciousness and everything else is a tool for it. Most people on the planet identify with their role on purpose per game design and because your Higher Self wanted to experience it this way.
As immortal eternal consciousness you are free to use any and all possible types of filters, roles, personality setups, individuality setups, egos etc. through which you want to experience reality.
If you don’t believe me, read Dreamweaver’s post:
I mean, the whole idea of you or me is consequential of a set of differences created through an infant’s capacity to divide, fragment and identify in units stuff that is not divided, fragmented or identical to itself beyond the infant’s perception. Because there is no differentiated reality beyond abstractions created through the serial mind.
How can that set of series precede its own created reality?
I think it is more believable that the set of series can continue to function beyond death (because who knows in which dimension it functions). But not before it was created.
Before creation, it cannot logically exist or function.
You are still stuck in the illusion of time. There is not such thing really as “before” or “after”.
Also, reality cannot be grasped by logical thinking alone, since most of this logic is hardwired into the physical human brain. Conceptual realization and psychic perception is the only way to grasp higher concepts. Until then, it will all just be the usual human psychological circle jerking.
Yes, I didn’t want to go there but I meant ex-nihilo.
Out-of-nothing. Or created.
Evolutionism and creationism are indeed orthogonal.
You guys are not speaking the same language, talking it out is not gonna work
I hope you do win the Olympia bruh… share the message with your adoring public… I mean yourself haha
I think the bridge between @JAAJ and @anon8601412 is that the everyday reality for most people on this level of “consciousness” is a differentiated reality where time moves forward for the duration of a life, similar to one positive cycle of a sine wave; it begins at birth and ends with death, but consciousness moves forward. I think JaaJ’s point is that this experience is that there’s enough evidence that the something of “us” predates this life and that an objection based on linguistics or time’s arrow to that pre-existence is in error. The argument goes further, however. If time is the ‘x’ axis, then our higher self/real self or whatever we choose to call it stands outside of time in the same our pencil does the lines on a graph paper. We mark the line for our own reasons. We enter time in similar fashion. Heidegger seems to be saying that, as far as I can tell, we are creatures of time.