Yeah…the same guy concerned with over-population wants to save us with vaccines? He tried to be slick and casual when saying it, but literally stated he wants to reduce the population with vaccines…yea doesn’t compute. LOL. And now look what’s happening.
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This comment refers to the U.S.
Most true “conspiracies” involving health care can be better understood as system/bureaucracy externalities. No one (99.9%) wants a product that harms people, but, once one does, the system has a problem.
Usually an organization’s (or group of related organizations) ideas of the greater good tend to fit the contours of its self-interest. In the case of vaccines, the acknowledgment of a particular harm (side effect) is balanced against a foreseeable increase in vaccine hesitancy (and the harm presumed to flow from that) and a need to protect the overall legitimacy of public health. A relatively small number of adverse incidents can be acknowledged, especially when done at time sufficiently after the vaccination campaign (to interfere with uptake).
So in the case of public health, bureaucrats believe that some obfuscation is necessary for the greater good, and they may well be right about that. The problem is that some members of the public will figure this out. Since lying is almost universally condemned, a bad motive will be ascribed to powerful forces instead of the more hapless public health officials (normies paying mortgages) who took a perhaps necessary (certainly believed to be necessary) stroll on a shady path.
In the case of the MRNA vaccines, the “noble lie” strategy failed because the benefits these vaccines are now thought to have been vastly oversold and side-effects (initial and ongoing) woefully understated. The PR war in the U.S. is effectively over.
There’s really no good communication strategy for public health in the short term. Continued silence on the magnitude of side effects will fuel conspiracy theories and delegitimize public health organizations. Acknowledgement would probably do the same. Ultimately, this will be resolved with lawsuits, investigations and maybe a few prosecutions. Not sure if these methods will address the “nano” issue. If there’s any truth to it, it will not come out. If it can be proven false, then that proof might come out. I suspect Moderna will take the biggest hit as they are small and not that important in the American system.
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I understand if you are angry, it’s natural. I would be too.
But you and your ex must have known in rare cases this can happen. This happening to you makes it more “real” but not more likely.
Now, everyone who died after the vaccine, didn’t die because of the vaccine. Millions of people die everyday and if we vaccinate billions…
So there are benefits… it is know that any medication can have side effects, including vaccines.
Now it’s about finding out how many got protected by the vaccines and how many got injured.
Then, it’s about morality and large scale efficiency.
Nothing more.
Centrally administered and mandatory solutions can also be debated. I’m up for it.
PS: I’m ready to go into the conspiracy theory of WEF and Roseta stone (these are the new flavours of the day), but not tonight.
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Tommorow we pull the data
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It’ll be a tough one, data changes frequently— and in both directions lol
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Your point is reasonable I guess, but covid was not anywhere near as deadly as they claimed it was and they knew it wasn’t. So they didn’t even believe they were justified in the cover ups. The death rate after infection was like 0.8%. It was about control. They saw an opportunity they have been waiting for the right time to jump on for a long time right in front of their face. The opportunity for their “liberal world order” which they talk about all the time out in the open. Which really means totalitarian world order. I am positive you guys haven’t done your research into this like I have. I don’t mean something some influencer said. I mean these people in their own words. They don’t even hide their agenda, yet they gaslight us when we talk about it.
And how is it they “war game” and “predict” these pandemics with stunning accuracy?
Including monkey pox!! Down to almost the exact date, within a few days.
Because they aren’t “predicting” them. They are planning them under the guise of preparation.
There are many pieces to the puzzle, but when you truly research these people in control, you will understand that none of what they do is innocent. They have a very specific goal.
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Thankfully our ancestors have developed many methodologies for such circumstances, we can get an overall picture, look at aggregate and observations.
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I disagree. Not this time. They knew what they were doing and the evidence is everywhere if you look and pay attention.
Have fun! They just had their yearly meet. Go look at the monstrous things they said.
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I’m sympathetic to your point of view, but I think the incentives of the bureaucracy can explain their willingness to look not too carefully at the downside risks and even cover things up. When the greater good is your goal, there are a lot of means that you can justify. I think they knew early on and then found ways not to know.
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I said we can talk about the politics after.
Who knows, maybe I believe something even darker than you.
You assume that because we don’t agree with you, we are naive and the elite are evil.
Anyway, the pros and cons of the vaccins are a different matter. Let’s break it down and then synthesize or we’ll talk all day.
We can go to eugenics and genocide too no problem
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But we know Bill Gates thinks there are too many people in the world. The top guy behind our vaccines. Please explain this:
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and this! Look at their smirks too. So sick. Feel their energy.
None of this is innocent or for the greater good. Maybe on lower level people’s parts only. They aren’t ALL in on the depopulation agenda. People play along for many different reasons, including thinking they are working for the greater good.
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What kind of darker things do you believe?
I avoid putting stock into big pictures, I just do what I can to mitigate the things that seem obviously harmful in the immediate term… Basically, I think that big institutions are like mindless robots; they can do good things, but are easily usurped and will indiscriminately crush people in the process of carrying out their machinations. --So anything that comes from them, I question and avoid lol
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Absolutely. I’m willing to concede not every vaccine’s risks outweighed the benefits. Previous to covid vax.
Absolutely. I have thoughts on that too.
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Can we post ?
Edit: Hmm… the post I wrote needed mod approval, couldn’t post. Deleted it
Must have said something bad
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I haven’t experienced that yet. That would be ridiculous censorship of a civil discussion.
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They do funny things when specific words appear… but it can be circumvented by taking a screenshot and posting that 
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I’m going to sleep, guys. Talk tomorrow. Night!
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I have done a lot of research, and I do think that conspiracy thinking is a useful check on propaganda—especially when it concerns food safety and health care. The nano aspect is something I can’t really judge.
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The Matrix is everywhere.
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