Discussion on masturbation (Kinky stuff)

Of course it is a simulation, go astral travel mate.
Even the astral world is part of the matrix game.
Nothing is real except consciousness.
Even the existance of energy is a just a temporary tool for the universal consciousness.

There is only one law and that is that Consciousness creates Reality.

“Respect” is a human concept :wink:

Because I realized that all the challenges that I took in this life where my personal choice and because I realized why I picked them and what for. Conceptual Realization helps a lot here.

My only “master” is my Higher Self. Others, regardless of their level of development, are free to create their personal reality bubbles as they wish and belief in what they wish

You cannot hurt anyone unless their Higher Self has agreed to this at some level. Another thing about universal consciousness is that Higher Selves create situations collectively after “speaking” with each other and planning it all out, or allowing it to happen. It is much more complex than that, but everyone experiences what they create and having total power over “cause and effect” is also part of this formula.

Ok guys, is it constructive ? Probably not.
You don’t even need to agree with each other’s. People can do what they want.
Yeah, it’s probably better to transmute your energy. Otherwise it’s a waste, but rub one out if you want. No one is stopping you, you’re free. No shame or judgement, have fun.

You guys wasted 2h, how much energy did you lose ?

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Touche bro. Gotta use Negentropic Jing

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I have. It’s a simulation but not a computer. My point is, it’s Divine consciousness, not artificial. It has characteristics of a computer because a computer is a microcosm of the functionality of the Universe (in a way), but artificial.

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@LunaMoon
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I didn’t see anything funny

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Don’t know about others but I’d watch a TV debate between @Gnosticmedic27 and @JAAJ interesting stuff!

On another note… How do you guys transmute exactly? Do you just set the intention (that’s what i did) or have some elaborate practices?

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Exactly. Also the increase is a classic case of deception just like presented in this video.

(For the people who don’t understand this. (Timestamped.)

Keep fighting the good fight, Barry :+1:

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Mantra recitation, prayer, meditation, pranayama, Internal Alchemical Crucible field, listening to classical music, doing anything artistic: writing, painting, drawing, singing, etc.

Eventually, it can be done with intention too.

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Microcosmic orbit

even chopping wood, perhaps :smiley: :sunglasses:

Fun debate to read and excellent points from both parties. Learned some stuff from the both of you and appreciate both of you sharing your insights on the subject.

Still don’t get why people get worked up if someone disagrees with them as if they are responding to a personal attack. Your facts are not someone else’s facts no matter how sure you are about them. Just like you are very sure about your facts, the other person is very sure about theirs.

I don’t even know what facts are at this point in my journey anyways lol.

I’ve come to believe that truth is probabilistic. If observer and reality are one, then perception shapes reality. We are all living out our subjective truths of reality so it tends to be rather impossible to claim there are objective truths that apply to everything in the universe.

If the universe is infinite, then all possibilities are inherently possible. Even if not in our current version of reality, there is another version of reality in which it is. And these versions tend to be reflective of your personal perception of reality. Depending on how we perceive the world, reality will reflect itself in a way that confirms how we perceive it. What you believe, the subconscious proves.

Beliefs become walls in our reality though. From my perspective, part of spiritual ascension is breaking down all those walls and opening your mind to every possibility. Believe in nothing; accept the possibility of anything. Because in essence, everything comes from nothing… and therefore, everything is essentially nothing. Nothing is true; everything possible. (just my individual perception btw)

I say all this because I personally believe it to be useful to one’s mind to always remain open to every possibility… and not go 100% into any belief. Doing so can limit you and prevent you from perceiving other possible truths that can expand your perspective. And well, it can make it easier to speak to people who you disagree with and not get so riled up lol.

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We have to fight. Just human nature. :grin:

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As for the topic at hand, I’ll share my personal beliefs on it but understand, they are but my own. They aren’t facts either.

I don’t have such a strict view on sexuality. I think it can be quite restrictive to think of sex in a way that perceives it to be as high risk to your own spiritual development. Perception shapes pure concepts and to think of it in a negative manner will make it negative to you.

I do believe that the primitive parts of our brain/bodies, induce unhealthy surges of lust once we hit puberty. These are natural mechanisms that automatically activate to ensure that we continue to reproduce and keep our species existing. Part of spiritual growth is to transcend these mechanisms that trivialize sex into something animalistic and that keep us rooted in the more primitive realms of this reality.

Christianity and Islam believed this (in their own way) and enforced sexual repression for thousands of years… which only caused sexual perversions in people to increase even more. Repression of one’s sexuality doesn’t quite work and causes imbalances within us. Sexuality a part of us in the same way that desire to eat, desire to socialize or simply the desire to survive are natural.

The ascetic goes on one side of the extreme and represses all these desires and especially, their sexuality, to ascend. This is certainly a pathway to ascension. But understand this… There are many pathways to enlightenment. And one of those pathways goes the complete opposite of asceticism and extremely indulges in desire. The left hand path adept transcends the ego as well (although, many left pathists are far more prone to falling to the ego instead). Both paths can lead to the same place as hard as it is to believe.

So why can’t there be a middle ground?

I believe sex to be a beautiful thing. It is the merging/connecting of two people on a physical level… which one way or another, connects you two spiritually as well. If the two of you are more spiritually evolved and project love onto one another (tantra for example or just pure loving sex), this merging can lead to some strong spiritual experiences and even accelerate your spiritual growth.

Now I understand that sexual pleasure feels so damned good, that the desire can take on a life of its own and begin to drag you down. Sexual pleasure has its dark side as well with rape, sexual addiction and things of that nature. But as you know, there is a duality to everything. In essence, sex just is. It isn’t bad or good. It is what you make it to be.

Can masturbation be made into a good thing? Is it even a bad thing? Well, not really. It’s your body and you are pleasing yourself through it. What can be considered wrong is masturbating in excess and releasing useful energies that make up your vitality. Many other factors as well… But this is universally known. Anything in excess can be bad for you.

And that is where balance comes in. I don’t believe masturbating every now and then to be toxic to the spirit. It’s a fun activity and can bring pleasure to one’s mind and soul. It’s a feel good activity that releases dopamine in the same way that video games or even sports does (although at a cost of energy that doesn’t quite replenish and lessens overtime). So, don’t do it too often! Because excessive masturbation also tends to pile up psychological effects that can deter your well being.

Sex with your partner is also fun. It is a fun activity with your partner in the same way having a stimulating conversation with them, joking with them, playing games with them or going on an adventure is fun. Sex is another fun way of interacting with someone and doesn’t have to be perceived as this super serious thing as well (unless you’re having unprotected sex lol).

It’s also a physical way of communicating I love you to someone and indulging with one another in that flow of love. Now, sex 5 times a day is obviously not the best thing because you are draining the heck out of each other. Seducing and having sex with a new girl every other day isn’t healthy because you may likely not reciprocate the kind of emotions the women has for you… and simply chasing pleasure like an addict is unhealthy. Balance is key.

There are so many ways to perceive life. It is a school. It is a prison. Or it is something to be loved, hated, revered or be bored of. It is anything you believe it is but at the same time, we can all agree it is an experience. And kids, without the full on programming adults have, have a universal way of thinking how it should be experienced. As something fun.

To love, to laugh, to dream… to live. We exist here to experience life and grow from it. Sex is one of the experiences that come with life and to restrict oneself from it for spiritual growth feels more like a limiting belief to me. If you are very spiritually conscious which allows you to grow from anything, then you can also certainly even continue to grow through sexual experiences.

My 2 cents anyways. Remember, these are simply my thoughts on the subject. Nothing is objective :wink:

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Sam the man :bowing_woman:

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Thank you Sammy for your insights.

With regards to this:

…there is something I recently learned about this from a highly developed person that I would like to share:

From an individual’s point of view, one thing might seem better than another, but from a universal point of view, it does not matter which choice one makes. Most people believe that there is a “right” and a “wrong” way to do something. And our egos love to support that idea.

But what if there are no wrong paths?
Every path in life is there for a reason and one can be on a “wrong” path and still grow and develop and be closer to one’s Higher Self.
The path itself is not what makes one get closer or further away from one’s Higher Self.
It is the point of one’s attention.
One could be doing all the “wrong” things in one’s life (which is just a limiting belief), and still get closer to one’s Higher Self.
But as long as one holds on to the belief that those things are wrong, it will make one feel guilty or bad and that will not serve one. There are no wrong ways, just detours. All roads lead to Rome.

So many times I thought I was on a “wrong path”, just to discover later, that my Higher Self always was able to turn things around in a clever and unpredicable way, making the “wrong path” into an almost “it couldn’t have been any other way path” :joy:

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So in essence it’s ok to pay for and use Grimnirs only fans account once in a while.

Thanks!

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Yeah I wasn’t really disagreeing either of you nor making counterpoints. Was just adding my perspective to the discussion. I know you mentioned white tantra so my posts weren’t countering yours if that is how it seemed lol.

In response to @JAAJ , I’ve pondered this same thing recently. Is there really a wrong path if one way or another, it leads to the same destination? When I think about it, if I wasn’t lost and broken all those years, I don’t think I would have had the spiritual growth I’ve come to have in the past 10 years.

Whatever happened in my past life, led to me understanding certain things in this life on a deeper level… those past experiences are anchors in our soul that allow us to better learn and grow from life. We are all gathering experiences… negative and positive. A life of being a drug addict that dies in overdose is still one of great value to the soul. We only see the current spectrum of things but in the bigger picture, all these experiences stack up and add up to expanding your whole being.

You don’t truly know suffering, love, hatred, happiness until you’ve fully experienced it. In experiencing the full spectrum of duality, you transcend duality and become one with it. Become the in between of infinity; Non-dual consciousness of the higher self.

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All that being said, part of what spiritual growth is, is to transcend more quickly. If you end up becoming aware of these kinds of things in this lifetime, it’s more than likely because your soul is ready. Might take you a few more lifetimes but your are certainly closer. There are billions of people who simply stick their daily programs and don’t have the will to grow. They’re still learning so it’s best not to judge them.

So yeah, what @Gnosticmedic27 is saying is correct as well. Certain regiments can lead to faster results. Enlightened masters paved paths for people to follow in their footsteps… making it easier to follow if one is to comply with those rules. I do think that it is still subjective though. If that path feels right to you, then go for it.

At the end of the day, everyone is going their own pace and is paving their individual pathway to ascension. I’m personally not rushing to get there. I want to enjoy my climb to the 1st peak (because the destination is neverending. There are an endless more peaks to climb!).

As for masturbation, I can see why you or many spiritual masters believe masturbation to be bad. I believed it too at one point. I personally don’t subscribe to that belief anymore though. ​I think it might be a bit too rigid to label something that isn’t essentially harming you or anyone else as something bad(sure, it releases vital energies but many other activities do. And a tantric master can orgasm without ejaculation).

Can it stunt spiritual growth? In excess of course. But anything in excess can stunt spiritual growth. I believe infinity’s endless possibilities allow for many paths where masturbation isn’t all that harmful to one’s development. This is all coming from a guy that masturbates once every few months lol.

But yo…we in here getting extremely deep about spirituality and whatnot in a thread about kinky masturbation :laughing::laughing::laughing: Hahaha someone’s gonna peep the thread in the latest section thinking ‘mmmm, let’s see what spicy things theyre talking about in this thread!’ and end up pretty dissapointed lmao.

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Absolutely bro. You stated a lot of beautiful things and I respect your viewpoint. I was a drug addict and did almost die twice in one week of an overdose. Not long after that is when I found the esoteric spiritual teachings and haven’t looked back. It’s true, there is no such thing as good and evil. Things just are. There’s only the experience and the lesson. There’s only evolution and devolution/entropy and negentropy. And yeah bro, I usually masturbate once every few months too but always regret it. It’s always due to me giving into temptation when i don’t want to. Anyway, the different range of experiences and viewpoints are beautiful and it’s nice to discuss them. Thanks for your input @SammyG

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