General Discussion

We should have a zoom webinar about this topic, where everybody chimes in

Brother, you’re on the right path. Just keep on keeping on and don’t worry about ā€˜getting this stuff’ too much. I think you understand it conceptually but there are some things in the way. And that’s perfectly normal!

You will come to understand it on a more deeper level and perhaps integrate in a transformative way. What’s amazing about you is that you are already very aware of these things in the way and that awareness will take you far. So as long as you stay on the path, you will naturally dissolve these limiting beliefs/memories and come to find that peace you seek within yourself. Heck, I’m still on the path and am still learning of things in my way as well.

For example, Dream helped me become aware of something that has stuck with me strongly. I still have masculine rigidity and that is a limiting aspect to me. Also, that my expectations from interactions are also a limitation. It came from me asking him why I come off as intimidating to people.

For years, I often come off as intimidating to people and their first impression of me is all too often that I’m unapproachable. Of course, when I start to talk to people, that changes quickly cause I’m very kind and accepting but me being nice is something that always surprises them lol. I asked him about this and he noted that I’m still stuck on the concept of masculinity and what it means to be a man and also expecting things to go a certain way with people. It really clicked something in me.

Growing up in a hostile environment, made me naturally build a very big shield and a kind of mental pattern that is like ā€˜if you test me, I’m ready to go to war with you.’ And that just came from how showing any sort of weakness would get you picked on or robbed around here. Also, hanging out with the guys, it was always a game of ā€˜being a man’ and all that programming has just become a part of me.

What was interesting to me is how I couldn’t even see it til he mentioned it. Yet after hearing it, it was so damn clear to me. I have random thought patterns of ā€˜if this person says or does this to me, I’ll respond with this’ or ā€˜I’m gonna stand my ground and be a man about this.’ So as long as I have that level of expectation and rigidity, I am not mentally free and will rebound to ā€˜rules’ that limit the full capacity of my consciousness. My ego started fighting this concept and was like ā€˜I still live in this hostile place and I can’t be in this open state or I leave myself vulnerable.’

And it was only a few days after that I came to realize that… the level of light and strength that comes from oneness makes you practically impenetrable. Nothing is really in opposition to itself so to speak. Oneness is probably the most gangster level of consciousness there is lol. It essentially means you take on all the universe at once and nothing can break you.

Anyways I got a bit off topic but I tell you this story because we all have so many of these sorts of mental limits in our mind that are so deeply a part of our egos, that we just think it’s the natural way of being. I also see that society creates so many of these rules that we naturally just believe and follow blindly.

Brother, I think the worthy challenge of all lifetimes… is to find the oneness within samsara. Within the chaos of the world. That is something I personally believe the allness is trying to accomplish through many of our human lifetimes. It is extremely hard and so easy to fall back into ego but I think it’s certainly possible. Most if not all humans that reach that state have done so isolated from the world… or the ones that did within samsara fell into one ego trap or another.

Still, the knowledge is all there. I think it’s possible to build a map to navigate that way of being within the game itself. I personally think that’s the endgame. It’s a worthy pursuit I believe.

But this is all me thinking out loud really. In the end, oneness isn’t something you should even really be thinking about til you find peace within yourself. You’re on the right path my friend. In fact, I’m sure most of you are. Focus on yourself and all that limits you. Focus on accepting yourself. Focus on becoming the best you can be.

And… start saving up so you can come to our retreat :smiley:

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Is that really true though?

There are many states of consciousness where one doesn’t have an ego but isn’t also in a state of non-duality.

Getting rid of the ego isn’t enough to reach high/God levels of consciousness.

Also, I don’t think oneness/non-duality consciousness is the same as God consciousness. To realize how everything is interconnected and is essentially the same thing / ā€œmade out ofā€ the same thing doesn’t necessarily awaken the realization that you are God and the entire universe, that you created th universe, and you have always existed, etc etc

There are several ways in which people identify themselves to a certain way of being.

Some people are fully identified with ego and that is the case of many mental illnesses such as madness.

Neurosis and perversion are characterized for a partial identification to the ego, which allows movement between identifications.

Nah, you’re right. Should have been more specific. I mean the full ego dissolution + identification of oneness that emerges from being very far along the path. Pretty much what I’ve been talking about. Casue yeah, there are many different ego deaths.

That isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about just the realization of it. I am speaking about the experience of it.

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I don’t understand, what’s the difference?

Give me examples of these btw. If that’s the case as well, then I think you and I have different ideas of what not having an ego is like.

Well for one, when I mention ā€˜without ego, you identify with allness’, I am speaking from the perspective of everything I’ve been talking about. I don’t mean that automatically if you experience ego death, you will become allness. Although… usually that is what happens. Without ego, you are just awareness. Awareness is just the consciousness that permeates everything that exists. You ā€˜are’ that universal awareness.

But… the problem is, some people aren’t quite ready and end up identifying with something immediately and think they are jesus, or god, or somehow connect the experience to something they have learned, ext…

To those who are not ready, ego death can induce a fear that has you latch onto the first thing you can find to ā€˜protect yourself.’ And then… those people go mad. That happens all too often and is usually because those people are still holding on to certain things when they experience the ego death.

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Well, I am only interested in doing spirituality with psychedelics. I don’t have any desire to bring them here since people seem to be so against it but to give you some examples:

Salvia, ego-death is quite common but everything is so chaotic and random, you could have the experience of being a couch or a book or live a 30 year life on some other universe

Ketamine, ego-death happens but instead of oneness is complete detachment (it’s a dissociative after all). In fact, people report feeling like they are the only thing in existence, not identifying with anything. Which is funny because in oneness you can also experience being the only thing in existence… in identifying with everything

I think it would help if you could tell me what ego and ego death means to you

Would you consider egoless a person that for some reason forgets who they are and everything that has happened in their life?

Wouldn’t they have/be just awareness?

Ahh yeah, in that case I completely get what you mean lol. Those are definitely very different ego death states. I was ironically just thinking ā€˜when you identify with nothing, you embody everything. Because nothing esentially permeates everything, as everything comes from nothing.’ But yeah, ketamine ego death is… complete isolation lol.

It makes me curious though… Why are psychs like shrooms, lsd and dmt’s level of ego death similiar to the yogi level? (Although dmt certainly has a lot of chaos involved. but through that ego death, your consciousness enters a higher dimension for a bit… where you get to experience oneness in a much more direct universal way)

And… I’ll give you a bit of advice that you can take or not. It doesn’t matter as your path is yours and you’ll come to realize such things on your own. I’m not against exploring altered states of consciousness through psychs. In a way, you can build a mental map of these sorts of experiences so that your mind has an easier way of knowing how to ā€˜get there’ since it already has the memory of it.

That said, there is only so far you can go with psychs. There is a wall along the path and you won’t be able to go past it if you try to go all in on spirituality with psychs. I’m just letting you know from one friend to another. But hey, that’s just my take on it.

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yup, that’s me too lol…city vibes i guess lol…all that turn the other cheek bs will get you continuously robbed and beat up in certain places loll…

i know this first hand…miraculous moment of an actual spiritual shield of physical point blank attacks…they were in shock and drove away slowly and quietly…i spoke about this with this crystal shop owner because i was wearing a crystal when i was protected…she told me, it’s interesting you wear that on your heart because the ruby has a natural etching of the star of david…which is a symbol of the heart…and it’s a warrior’s stone…it protected you like it protected many warriors of the past…

for some reason, i responded by saying, ā€œi don’t think it’s just the stone that protected me…the good deeds that we do for others provide a forcefield to protect the benevolent sometimesā€ā€¦but the moment we let it get to our head is when that shield is gone…

but that’s why i’m in seclusion lol to prevent me of attacking and cancelling my shield…

it’s funny because it feels like a split personality that i do experience great moments of oneness at times…like moments where i forgive all the wrongs and evils that was ever done in every lifetime…it’s moments where i feel like i’m finally healed of my anger…then certain moments later reveal, ā€œno you’re not!..ā€ lol

but at least it was an achievement just to reach that state and actually feel it…the challenge is prolonging it…and that enlightened fortress of real Divine peace is built by one enlightened brick at a time…that grueling gradual process…a little too gradual lol

that’s the truth…reminds me of certain people that can approach wild animals like a bull or lion, and get a peaceful reaction out of them…which i do with certain people that give an attitude to everyone else but peaceful with me for some reason…but to do that on the samsara level of all is definitely the challenge of all challenges while still living in chaos…

i feel like it happened already, and it’s just waiting on us to unlock it and pass around the key…easier said than done though lol…but i’m definitely genuinely and honestly aiming for that

definitely looping the blossom of abundance to manifest that lol

thanks for the talk

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Of course my friend. Thanks for the talk as well :slight_smile:

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Thank you very much Sammy for taking the time and for the detailed answer. This has been very helpful :white_heart:

I think I had a cognitive dissonance here in a sense of trying to figure out how I can accept the negative parts while at the same time judging and labeling them as ā€œnegativeā€.

I now see that I was confusing different conceptual levels.
Accepting something is happening on a detached observation level.
While labeling something as ā€œnegativeā€ is simply an emotional reaction to what is observed.
Since I was still judging it as ā€œnegativeā€ means that I was fooling myself and not really accepting it, but was looking for ways to ā€œget rid of itā€, ā€œto forget itā€ and to ā€œdelete itā€.

Which brings me to the next conclusion:

Since Source is always 100% detached and accepting of ALL its parts, this means that me, who is doing the physical incarnational experience and ā€œnot accepting certain partsā€, is actually playing an illusion onto myself.
It cannot be any other way because I am part of Source and of ALL.

So me ā€œnot accepting certain partsā€ means I am only ā€œacting as if I am not accepting these partsā€ because on an absolute Source level and me being part of this Source, I always already had accepted all of these parts.

I am the part of the Source who plays a game to itself and acts ā€œas if I would not be accepting of certain partsā€ so that I can experience negativity and individualization.

Which means, all I have to do is to remember that I was already always accepting of everything and how I started playing the illusory ā€œgame of non-acceptanceā€, which I only did in order so that I can experience certain parts in a ā€œnon-dettachedā€ and ā€œrealā€ way.

This mechanism of playing the illusion onto myself seems to be place to enable certain experiences and make them ā€œappear realā€.

The path to oneness and universal acceptance is simply remembering why and how we started to play the illusion of ā€œseparationā€ and ā€œnon-acceptance and judgementā€.

I had a ā€œOneness experienceā€ only once in my life and that was many many years ago. It lasted for 2 days and then the old patterns took over again. I had zero negative emotions during those 2 days and my Heart Chakra was so wide it was embracing the whole city.

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This is a great realization and one that is powerful enough as a reason for the ego to where the ego would then naturally and by itself submit to a higher power and allow for its dissolution. Who doesn’t want to be ā€œimpenetrableā€ and ā€œmost ganstaā€ after all? :grin:

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lol that’s exactly like me brother, I remember especially in college that I think were the years where I could have the most interactions with new and different people until now, people even avoided asking me for favors because they believed that I was going to deny them even the most simples things, people acted clumsily around me, among other things I lasted a long time without knowing why that was, the truth is that I am a friendly person and I like to help anyone I can but as you say I was externalizing a rigid image of myself , an image of masculine, serious, expressionless, strong, etc.

Over time I worked and myself and I realized that I had many mental and energetic blocks. Nowadays things are different. I think my image is more open. I have noticed it in people, something that helped me in addition to working in The mental aspect was to unblock and develop the heart chakra little by little, I think that is where most of the blockages that one has reside because that unapproachable appearance that we sometimes project is nothing more than a shield to avoid harm to ourselves and we close our heart chakra for that reason. but once unlocked and we open ourselves to love all that changes, love attracts love. I still wouldn’t say that all the blocks, limits or mental structures related to this are dissolved but I would say that the vast majority and I’m still working on the rest. lifelong habits take time to change completely I think I

just kept thinking about this after reading your comment because surely we have not been the only ones with that problem and how knowing your perspective and way of solving that situation has helped me, maybe this can be of use to someone else. I think that knowing other perspectives always helps to gain more understanding.

Good night from american continent :v:

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No, this is not what is going to happen at all.
Oneness = super high vibration, unconditional love etc. = you will only manifest high vibrational experiences for as long as you can hold up this state of being.
Remember what Sammy said about you becoming a 100% mirror, mirroring back to others everything.
Of course, it would be stupid to go into dangerous areas and test this until you can truly hold up this state for a longer time and until you no longer can easily be shoved away by samsara / the Matrix simulation.

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i didn’t make up that scenario…it’s what happened to me as a naiive peaceful with all, loving, innocent kid in middle school…

i would get robbed…people threatened to stab me with a pencil to take my money while in line to get some food…

the thing is, i probably would have given him the money he stole from me if he asked me…

not everyone was like that…others were peaceful with me…its just there are some that prey on the weak…and the peaceful with all and loving person is weak to them…

eventually people stopped messing with me when i refused to get robbed one day…i pushed them back…a short little kid pushing back a kid way taller than me and way bigger…i was expecting to get beat up…

and in that school, the fear wasn’t so much getting beaten up by one person…it was getting beat up by the whole crowd maybe 20 people…stuff like that actually happened probably every week in that school…

the daily goal was to not get jumped…and you had to push people back to draw a line of respect otherwise you will continually get robbed…i got tired of getting robbed so i pushed back expecting to get beat up…but instead, i got respect…i had to kick him in the knee to get it though lol…

and i was a peaceful loving innocent little kid back then, i didn’t want to do that…but i got tired of being robbed…and it kept others at bay…but it wasn’t over after that…i had to continuously push back…i rarely fought…most times i just had to push back…and they respected the boundary i made for myself…

no need to go anywhere because i already live in the city and tested it already…i maintained my safety by certain ways of carrying myself…respectful and kind to most, but also putting up a fierce barrier of respect just in case people want to cross the line…similar to why dream created a light servitor and dark servitor…

but Angels protected me and continue to protect me…there were many close calls…but nothing is guaranteed…and living in the city, it’s an attitude that most carry, that not everyday is promised…good people get killed by stray bullets sometimes…one of my classmates in 6th grade got shot walking home from school one day…he survived because no major organs got hit…and he was a peaceful funny kid walking home where gangsters decided to shoot at each other not caring about innocent bystandards…he was blessed to survive, but some weren’t so blessed…

also, happened to a lady i worked with…she was just at work as a meter reader doing her job and got caught in a drive by…and she was quick to get back to work because she was more concerned of not losing her job than surviving lol…she woulda got fired too…

one job i had, this kid got fired because he didn’t show up to work one day when his friend got killed…it’s ruthless in the city lol

there’s countless stories like that of good people in the city…

and i’m not using this as an excuse to continue to keep that rigid barrier up…people that know me know that i have a big heart…generous and kind to everyone i know…it’s just a seatbelt type of characteristic to ones that maybe harmful, just like what dream’s dark servitor was used for…which i never used btw…i feel ArchAngel Michael can take care of all that lol

i appreciate your words though…it really is that easy to lose everything in this matrix…and i’m going to continue to keep improving and healing…that’s why i’m here to keep learning from all of you…i’m grateful for all of you

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Pretty much this sums it up. :sweat_smile:

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I think you are confusing be a nice guy with Oneness.
As mentioned above by Sammy, you become impenetrable.
This is what I am also always saying about Self Love too.
I would estimate that there are currently no more than 100 people physically incarnated on Earth who can hold the Oneness state of being for an extended period of time.

You see, this is not Oneness. This is you in a role and with an identity.

Yeah, I think that’s the best way to go. Until we can reach and hold the state of being of Oneness, proactive manifestation of safety is our best bet.

Oneness kinda feels like you are part of the Reality Bubble of Everything.
Until then, the best approach is to proactively manifest our personal Reality Bubble the best we can.

When reaching the state of you being in Reality Bubble of Everything, I think this is what Sammy meant, is that then your manifestation power exponentially goes up through the roof and to the Moon, because you are now suddenly connected to everything and everyone.

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